http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/7059356.stm

China launches first Moon orbiter
Wednesday, 24 October 2007, 12:18 GMT 13:18 UK

China has launched its first lunar orbiter, on a planned year-long exploration mission to the Moon.

The satellite, named Chang'e 1, took off from the Xichang Centre in south-west China's Sichuan province at 1800 local time (1000 GMT).

Analysts say it is a key step towards China's aim of putting a man on the Moon by 2020, in the latest stage of an Asian space race with Japan and India

Earlier this month, a Japanese lunar probe entered orbit around the Moon.

India is planning a lunar mission for April next year.

Gathering pace

State TV broadcast the launch of the unmanned Chang'e 1, named after a Chinese goddess who flew to the Moon.



"The operation is normal," voices in the control room were heard to say shortly after the launch.

Thousands of people living within 2.5km (1.6 miles) of the site and under the flight trajectory had been evacuated as standard procedure, officials at the Xichang Centre said.

The satellite is expected to enter lunar orbit in early November and start sending back pictures of the Moon's surface later that month.

Efforts by Asian nations to advance their space programmes have gathered pace in recent years.

In 2003, China became the first Asian nation to use its own rocket to put an astronaut in space.

Four years later, Beijing triggered international concern by destroying a weather satellite as part of a weapons test.




And then you got this...hmmm...


China to test space weapon in launching moon satellite:

Oct 23 07:41 AM US/Eastern

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D8SETSN80&show_article=1

HONG KONG, Oct. 23 (AP) - (Kyodo)—A Chinese submarine will send test signals that could change the course of a satellite when China launches its first moon orbiter, as part of the country's effort to develop space war technology, a human rights watchdog said Tuesday.
The Information Center for Human Rights and Democracy said two survey ships are deployed in the South Pacific Ocean and South Atlantic Ocean to send signals to maneuver the lunar exploration satellite, expected to be launched Wednesday. At the same time, a nuclear-powered submarine will send simulated signals to the satellite as a test, it said in a statement.

Once the satellite-maneuvering technology matures, the group said, China would have the know-how to destroy other satellites in space in wartime. China could launch cheaply-made weapon-carrying objects into space and change their courses to destroy or damage satellites of other countries by sending signals from submarines, the center said.

China shocked the world in January by firing a missile at an old weather satellite without notifying anyone in advance, showing off its anti-satellite weaponry and its ability to shoot down satellites without being immediately noticed.

Hong Kong's media reported that a rocket that will carry the satellite was being fueled up, banners of greetings on the successful launch were prepared and farmers living near the Xichang Satellite Launch Center, in mid-western China's Sichuan Province, will be evicted one hour ahead of the launch.

China plans to launch the satellite around 6 p.m. Wednesday, the official Xinhua News Agency reported Monday, quoting a spokesman of the China National Space Administration. The satellite is named Chang'e I after the legendary Chinese goddess who, according to legend, flew to the moon.

China's space industry enjoyed its first major success after astronaut Yang Liwei reentered Earth after 21 hours in space in 2003 in the spacecraft Shenzhou 5, marking China's first successful manned space mission.

A second manned space mission was successfully concluded in 2005 after astronauts Fei Junlong and Nie Haisheng finished orbiting the Earth for five days in the spacecraft Shenzhou 6.






Hmmm...it gets more interesting...


China says U.S. missile shield threatens global stability-1

http://en.rian.ru/world/20071024/85324695.html

HARBIN (China), October 24 (RIA Novosti) - The placement of U.S. missile defenses in Europe will not ease global security concerns but will undermine the global strategic balance, the Chinese foreign minister said Wednesday.

Washington insists that the deployment of a radar in the Czech Republic and a missile interceptor base in Poland will protect the U.S. and its NATO allies from potential missile attacks coming from Iran or North Korea, despite Russia's objections.

Speaking at a news conference after a meeting between foreign ministers of China, Russia and India, Yang Jiechi expressed hope that a new concept of global security, characterized by mutual trust and equal rights, could be established in the future.

The Harbin meeting is the third stand-alone meeting of the foreign ministers from the three countries. New Delhi hosted the previous two meetings, which some experts and media said could be aimed at setting up a military-political alliance to counter the influence of the United States in the region.

Russia's Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said at the news conference in Harbin that Russia has no plans to form a military union with India and China.

He said Moscow is developing dialogue with the two Asian countries through bilateral as well as trilateral formats, within the framework of the Shanghai Cooperation Organization and other structures.

"We are striving to jointly resolve key issues of security through multilateral dialogue, primarily by political and diplomatic means," Lavrov said.

"There is no alternative to a multi-polar and equal-rights cooperation in the world if we want to respond effectively to the existing threats," he said.

fuck man fuck...........

The placement of U.S. missile defenses in Europe will not ease global security concerns but will undermine the global strategic balance, the Chinese foreign minister said Wednesday



How dare we protect ourselves? Man what the hell were we thinking?
Why don't we stop paying them to make our cheap shit then they'd have to get their money elsewhere.

Nukes = Standstill, sleep well kiddos aint nobody doin shit about shit.

Those rice eatin chop stick using motherfuckers are gonna kill us all
well actually i don't know how they feel about canada do our toys got lead paint?
on second thought i like the chinese they make good games.

How dare we protect ourselves? Man what the hell were we thinking?
Why don't we stop paying them to make our cheap shit then they'd have to get their money elsewhere.

Because that would completely destroy our economy.



Anyways, i'm curious to see if the Chinese can actually pull off a moon-landing, because they would be the first (whether you all want to admit it or not).

^ You honestly believe that shit? All that conspiracy stuff came from a FOX TV Special back in 1996...and people believe it!

Well how do you explain wind blowin the flag? lol there's no air on the moon :p

Because that would completely destroy our economy.



Anyways, i'm curious to see if the Chinese can actually pull off a moon-landing, because they would be the first (whether you all want to admit it or not).


agreed . the usa moon landing was a fake all the true intellects know what im talking about all you sheep think the moon landing was real

The flag had wires in it, so it would remain upright and wouldn't fall down. Gravity and the laws of physics apply on the moon. Notice when the flag was moving, an astronaut was handling it?

Tell me how fake that looks :

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If any of you have a HIGH-POWERED TELESCOPE, here you go :

http://www.faqs.org/faqs/astronomy/faq/part2/section-22.html


Now quit being idiots.

One love.

More physics lessons for you all :

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http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-1138935117048624484&q=moon+duration%3Along&total=2310&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0

Those rice eatin chop stick using motherfuckers are gonna kill us all
well actually i don't know how they feel about canada do our toys got lead paint?
on second thought i like the chinese they make good games.

what games do the chinese make? japan makes games, china makes calculators, the only gameplay coming from when you flip it upside down and write 80085 and 8008135

sometimes you get an extra laugh by pointing at your friends wickedly, to indicate that they, in fact, are the boob

leave platy alone............

I'm not picking on the guy, I like him

I'm just saying

Chinese booths at E3 consist of whatever shit they have in their garage

http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-1138935117048624484&q=moon+duration%3Along&total=2310&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0

Lol, that's the mockumentary I was talking about. I believe NASA scientists over FOX TV any day of the week.


How many human beings were involved in the Apollo program? Hundreds.

At least one of them would have come forward by now and said the entire thing was a hoax, if it actually was.

Hell, they even saw a UFO!

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Lol, that's the mockumentary I was talking about. I believe NASA scientists over FOX TV any day of the week.


How many human beings were involved in the Apollo program? Hundreds.

At least one of them would have come forward by now and said the entire thing was a hoax, if it actually was.

NASA scientists lie for the simnple fact that they work for the usa and it was under there institution when they faked the moon landing .

they are not exactly going to come out and say it was fake and make USA the laughing stock of the world (again)

I'm rolling my eyes so hard right now

NASA scientists lie for the simnple fact that they work for the usa and it was under there institution when they faked the moon landing .

they are not exactly going to come out and say it was fake and make USA the laughing stock of the world (again)



Quit being an idiot, seriously.


What about the hundreds of contractors that built the ships, on board equipment, space suits, lunar rover, lunar lander, utensils, paneling for re-entry into the atmosphere, made the space food, packaged the space food...and the list goes on.

Or...on the FLIP SIDE!

If it was indeed filmed in a studio.

You think one of the boom mic operators or cameramen would have come forward, right? Maybe one of the people from the lighting crew? Maybe set design? Somebody would have come forward and blew the lid off the entire thing already if it was fake!

Quit being an idiot, seriously.


What about the hundreds of contractors that built the ships, on board equipment, space suits, lunar rover, lunar lander, utensils, paneling for re-entry into the atmosphere, made the space food, packaged the space food...and the list goes on.

Or...on the FLIP SIDE!

If it was indeed filmed in a studio.

You think one of the boom mic operators or cameramen would have come forward, right? Maybe one of the people from the lighting crew? Maybe set design? Somebody would have come forward and blew the lid off the entire thing already if it was fake!

I worry all the time that someone who used to work for NASA is going to go senile one day, lose their fucking mind, and state for the public record that the moon landing was a fake, just to fuck with everyone

and conspiracy theorists are going to jump all over it like flies on shit, because any evidence, no matter how little it makes sense, is enough

Quit being an idiot, seriously.


What about the hundreds of contractors that built the ships, on board equipment, space suits, lunar rover, lunar lander, utensils, paneling for re-entry into the atmosphere, made the space food, packaged the space food...and the list goes on.

Or...on the FLIP SIDE!

If it was indeed filmed in a studio.

You think one of the boom mic operators or cameramen would have come forward, right? Maybe one of the people from the lighting crew? Maybe set design? Somebody would have come forward and blew the lid off the entire thing already if it was fake!

we all know usa faked the moon landing so they could win the so called moon" race" with the russians .
se why havent usa tried to go back to the moon since 1972?

Still Not Convinced?
Here's 33 things that need to be answered!

1) Sceptics argue that the lack of stars on Moon photographs is acceptable, despite zero atmosphere to obscure the view. Yuri Gagarin, pronounced the stars to be "astonishingly brilliant". See the official NASA pictures above that I have reproduced that show 'stars' in the sky, as viewed from the lunar surface. And why exactly do you think there are hardly any stars visible on Apollo films taken from the Moon? The answers simple - Professional astronomers would quickly calculate that the configuration and distances of star formations were incorrect and so NASA had to remove them to make sure they could keep up the scam.

2) The pure oxygen atmosphere in the module would have melted the Hasselblad's camera covering and produced poisonous gases. Why weren't the astronauts affected?

3) There should have been a substantial crater blasted out under the LM's 10,000 pound thrust rocket. Sceptics would have you believe that the engines only had the power to blow the dust from underneath the LM as it landed. If this is true, how did Armstrong create that famous boot print if all the dust had been blown away?

4) Sceptics claim that you cannot produce a flame in a vacuum because of the lack of oxygen. So how come I have footage on this page showing a flame coming from the exhaust of an Apollo lander? (Obviously the sceptics are wrong or the footage shows the lander working in an atmosphere)

5) Footprints are the result of weight displacing air or moisture from between particles of dirt, dust, or sand. The astronauts left distinct footprints all over the place.

6) The Apollo 11 TV pictures were lousy, yet the broadcast quality magically became fine on the five subsequent missions.

7) Why in most Apollo photos, is there a clear line of definition between the rough foreground and the smooth background?

8) Why did so many NASA Moonscape photos have non parallel shadows? sceptics will tell you because there is two sources of light on the Moon - the Sun and the Earth... That maybe the case, but the shadows would still fall in the same direction, not two or three different angles and Earth shine would have no effect during the bright lunar day (the time at which the Apollo was on the Moon).

9) Why did one of the stage prop rocks have a capital "C" on it and a 'C' on the ground in front of it?

10) How did the fibreglass whip antenna on the Gemini 6A capsule survive the tremendous heat of atmospheric re-entry?

11) In Ron Howard's 1995 science fiction movie, Apollo 13, the astronauts lose electrical power and begin worrying about freezing to death. In reality, of course, the relentless bombardment of the Sun's rays would rapidly have overheated the vehicle to lethal temperatures with no atmosphere into which to dump the heat build up.

12) Who would dare risk using the LM on the Moon when a simulated Moon landing was never tested?

13) Instead of being able to jump at least ten feet high in "one sixth" gravity, the highest jump was about nineteen inches.

14) Even though slow motion photography was able to give a fairly convincing appearance of very low gravity, it could not disguise the fact that the astronauts travelled no further between steps than they would have on Earth.

15) If the Rover buggy had actually been moving in one-sixth gravity, then it would have required a twenty foot width in order not to have flipped over on nearly every turn. The Rover had the same width as ordinary small cars.

16) An astrophysicist who has worked for NASA writes that it takes two meters of shielding to protect against medium solar flares and that heavy ones give out tens of thousands of rem in a few hours. Russian scientists calculated in 1959 that astronauts needed a shield of 4 feet of lead to protect them on the Moons surface. Why didn't the astronauts on Apollo 14 and 16 die after exposure to this immense amount of radiation? And why are NASA only starting a project now to test the lunar radiation levels and what their effects would be on the human body if they have sent 12 men there already?

17) The fabric space suits had a crotch to shoulder zipper. There should have been fast leakage of air since even a pinhole deflates a tyre in short order.

18) The astronauts in these "pressurized" suits were easily able to bend their fingers, wrists, elbows, and knees at 5.2 p.s.i. and yet a boxer's 4 p.s.i. speed bag is virtually unbendable. The guys would have looked like balloon men if the suits had actually been pressurized.

19) How did the astronauts leave the LEM? In the documentary 'Paper Moon' The host measures a replica of the LEM at The Space Centre in Houston, what he finds is that the 'official' measurements released by NASA are bogus and that the astronauts could not have got out of the LEM.

20) The water sourced air conditioner backpacks should have produced frequent explosive vapour discharges. They never did.

21) During the Apollo 14 flag setup ceremony, the flag would not stop fluttering.

22) With more than a two second signal transmission round trip, how did a camera pan upward to track the departure of the Apollo 16 LEM? Gus Grissom, before he got burned alive in the Apollo I disaster A few minutes before he was burned to death in the Apollo I tragedy, Gus Grissom said, 'Hey, you guys in the control center, get with it. You expect me to go to the moon and you can't even maintain telephonic communications over three miles.' This statement says a lot about what Grissom thought about NASA's progress in the great space race.

23) Why did NASA's administrator resign just days before the first Apollo mission?

24) NASA launched the TETR-A satellite just months before the first lunar mission. The proclaimed purpose was to simulate transmissions coming from the moon so that the Houston ground crews (all those employees sitting behind computer screens at Mission Control) could "rehearse" the first moon landing. In other words, though NASA claimed that the satellite crashed shortly before the first lunar mission (a misinformation lie), its real purpose was to relay voice, fuel consumption, altitude, and telemetry data as if the transmissions were coming from an Apollo spacecraft as it neared the moon. Very few NASA employees knew the truth because they believed that the computer and television data they were receiving was the genuine article. Merely a hundred or so knew what was really going on; not tens of thousands as it might first appear.

25) In 1998, the Space Shuttle flew to one of its highest altitudes ever, three hundred and fifty miles, hundreds of miles below merely the beginning of the Van Allen Radiation Belts. Inside of their shielding, superior to that which the Apollo astronauts possessed, the shuttle astronauts reported being able to "see" the radiation with their eyes closed penetrating their shielding as well as the retinas of their closed eyes. For a dental x-ray on Earth which lasts 1/100th of a second we wear a 1/4 inch lead vest. Imagine what it would be like to endure several hours of radiation that you can see with your eyes closed from hundreds of miles away with 1/8 of an inch of aluminium shielding!

26) The Apollo 1 fire of January 27, 1967, killed what would have been the first crew to walk on the Moon just days after the commander, Gus Grissom, held an unapproved press conference complaining that they were at least ten years, not two, from reaching the Moon. The dead man's own son, who is a seasoned pilot himself, has in his possession forensic evidence personally retrieved from the charred spacecraft (that the government has tried to destroy on two or more occasions). Gus Grissom was obviously trying to make a big statement as he placed a lemon in the window of the Apollo I spacecraft as it sat ready for launch!

27) CNN issued the following report, "The radiation belts surrounding Earth may be more dangerous for astronauts than previously believed (like when they supposedly went through them thirty years ago to reach the Moon.) The phenomenon known as the 'Van Allen Belts' can spawn (newly discovered) 'Killer Electrons' that can dramatically affect the astronauts' health."

28) In 1969 computer chips had not been invented. The maximum computer memory was 256k, and this was housed in a large air conditioned building. In 2002 a top of the range computer requires at least 64 Mb of memory to run a simulated Moon landing, and that does not include the memory required to take off again once landed. The alleged computer on board Apollo 11 had 32k of memory. That's the equivalent of a simple calculator.

29) If debris from the Apollo missions was left on the Moon, then it would be visible today through a powerful telescope, however no such debris can be seen. The Clementine probe that recently mapped the Moons surface failed to show any Apollo artefacts left by Man during the missions. Where did the Moon Buggy and base of the LM go?

30) In the year 2005 NASA does not have the technology to land any man, or woman on the Moon, and return them safely to Earth.

31) Film evidence has recently been uncovered of a mis-labelled, unedited, behind-the-scenes video film, showing the crew of Apollo 11 staging part of their photography. The film evidence is shown in the video "A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the Moon!". and appears above in the 'Why Did Apollo 11 Astronauts Lie About Being In Deep Space?' section.

32) Why did the blueprints and plans for the Lunar Module and Moon Buggy get destroyed if this was one of History's greatest accomplishments?

33) Why did NASA need to airbrush out anomalies from lunar footage of the Moon if they have nothing to hide?

we all know usa faked the moon landing so they could win the so called moon" race" with the russians .
se why havent usa tried to go back to the moon since 1972?
They haven't gone back for the simple fact that there is no point. They only went there in the first place because the moon is the nearest object in space so it was the first port of call for astronaughts testing spacecraft.

I've seen nearly all of those listed disproved, more than once

I'm looking for a site that will do it for me, because I don't want to have to write an explanation for each of your copy/pasted theories, since it seems like a huge waste of time considering that you'll ignore it

unfortunately, google is filled with this crap

they truly breed like rats

first item: The lunar photographs show no stars in them because they were exposed for the daylight lit lunar scenes! This badly underexposes any stars in the sky. Try setting up a manual camera (the autoexposure cameras won't easily allow you to do this) for a typical daylight exposure - use the "sunny 16" rule where you set the f-stop of your camera to f/16 and then set the exposure length to the recipricol of the ASA film speed - if you use ASA 100 film, use 1/100 of a second (or 1/125 which is more typically available). Then take a picture of the sky at night. To be sure you're simulating the lunar situation, be sure to light up a foreground object with full daytime lighting so that the printing process will be sure to expose that part of the image properly and not super stretch the dark sky. You won't find a star image there either.

They haven't gone back for the simple fact that there is no point. They only went there in the first place because the moon is the nearest object in space so it was the first port of call for astronaughts testing spacecraft.

Exactly.



There is no MONETARY VALUE in the moon, not at the moment. It'd be billions and billions wasted every year for nothing. That's just one obstacle we overcame, and now we're moving beyond that.

In the next 10-15 years you will see an American flag on Mars.

yet you lot supposedly went 6 times from 1969 till 1972 .

its all bollux you waste billions of dollars anyway on other stupid shit

On that note, this conversation is over.

Because that would completely destroy our economy.


Sometimes to start a new you have to kill off the old...
What kills our economy is selling out stocks to these foreigners to begin with, giving 30 year home loans out to people you know can't pay you back then crying about when they don't pay you back, perhaps if we were legit craftsmen we'd hit another depression.. but at our current rate of pace we're already headed for an economic collapse.


Unless you think the treasurey injecting 39 billion into the stock market a couple months back was just for fun...


And at least if we did make our own shit even with set backs we could get back up after several decades but oh no we need our $30,000 cars ... and our satelite/cable tv with 500 channels of nothing... and let's not forget all those lovely seniors who need to just be executed for being useless glops of skin in the first place..
They sit watching game show network all day and get up once or twice and try to drive 35 in the fucking 50 but then when they see me in public of course I was disrespectful and owe them an apology..

And what about those precious precious children?
Those eight little pieces of shit every wic stamp gathering ho brings around with her sometimes on harnesses with leashes!

Oh the little bastards are only 5 and they're already stealing from people and cussing one another out but of course they're worthwhile...