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Florida Breeze

11-06-2007, 02:14 AM

Science is the most successful human institution I have no reason to doubt it... Especially not some retard who sees something shiny or large and goes "WWWWWWWWWWWOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOWWWWWW WWWW"
This is special.

I think belief supported by evidence should really by called a logical assumption his belief system is not based on rational assumption but just rampid jack assery .. Yes I made up a word.

What does science have anything to do with what we're talking about here?

Basically, this is how this conversation has progressed...

I say something along the lines of,

Ayers Rock is beautiful.

You reply with some asinine statement similar to,

According to the second law of thermodynamics nothing is beautiful.

Okay, what does one have to do with the other? What does the appearance of an object stimulating my occipital lobe have to do with the physical process of matter in the universe?

Can you please clarify? Actually, don't. I'm sure you'll just shoot back with some tired ass rant about how ignorant I am because I don't see things through your jaded eyes.

Let me ask you a few questions though.

When you see these...

http://web.ift.uib.no/~janrune/liauvel/bilder/ugly_bitch.jpg

Do the same thoughts pass through your brain when you see these?

http://sportsgonesouth.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/10/yournextmnfsidelinereporter.jpg

Do you think to yourself...

I wonder if the mammory glands in these breasts are lactating efficiently.

Do you hold both of these tits in the same regard?

Are you implying both of these pairs of tits are the same?

Just because the second pair will one day sag, and one day both pairs will turn into dust, are you not attracted to the second pair of tits? Don't bother responding to this, answer these questions and keep it to yourself.

http://www.art.uiuc.edu/grads/mfa_04/i/danos/gravel1_detail.jpg

Do these bits of stone evoke the same response from your brain that this does?

http://www.trialto.com/images/rockies_700e.jpg

Maybe if you find beauty in those stones, that's fine. However, you're saying The Rockies (or anything for that matter) aren't fucking gorgeous? Get over your ego.

You're nothing but a walking contradiction.

Quit arguing with me about this, because you're not going to do yourself any good.

There's a difference between humanity and science.

Science can only ascertain what is, but not what should be, and outside of its domain value judgments of all kinds remain necessary.
Albert Einstein (1879-1955) U. S. physicist, born in Germany.

Jayant

11-06-2007, 02:34 AM

im gonna have to agree with this nigga above me, i'm feeling the 2nd pic of the bitch, whats her name g?

Florida Breeze

11-06-2007, 02:35 AM

No clue, lol.

Jayant

11-06-2007, 02:36 AM

lol all good

Florida Breeze

11-06-2007, 02:37 AM

Charity Hodges.

Jayant

11-06-2007, 02:45 AM

aw shot homie

AlphaOmega123

11-06-2007, 04:52 AM

Okay, what does one have to do with the other? What does the appearance of an object stimulating my occipital lobe have to do with the physical process of matter in the universe?

The appearence of things that you summarize as "beauty" is just a misfiring in the nervous system and it takes the second law of thermodynamics to validate that.

Time is knowledge in it's purist form, the skuzzy hos you post are made up of smaller elements none of which are beautiful and in the coming decades what they truly are will be more and more apparent.
Infact in their current form they aren't either, your brain is just pre-disposed to taking things in as unique.

In reality if things were unique or truly beautiful they would not go through entropy but they do.

For that reason you and everything else around you are equally repulsive in a physical perspective.

I'm sorry but you aren't special nor is anything else.

Learn to cope, grow with it and you'll be a much stronger person.
Who you are as a person is not defined by what it is you look like.
The same can be said for beauty....

AlphaOmega123

11-06-2007, 04:59 AM

The experience of the senses are not needed to find beauty even a blind man could tell you genius is beautiful beyond words....
Certainly more than hills with ice caps.

Florida Breeze

11-06-2007, 05:27 AM

Beauty is fleeting. What's your point?

If you didn't get it after that last post of mine, you're just a numbskull.

Once again....

Science can only ascertain what is, but not what should be, and outside of its domain value judgments of all kinds remain necessary.
Albert Einstein (1879-1955) U. S. physicist, born in Germany.

~Damien~

11-06-2007, 10:05 AM

feral

11-06-2007, 10:20 AM

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My contribution. Rubicon, buddah and Pot Noodle.

X-NINE

11-06-2007, 11:29 AM

Thx to Alpha, the fuckin 'There I Said It' thread has been killed

R.I.P. to that great section, that turned into shit :smh:

AlphaOmega123

11-06-2007, 02:25 PM

Beauty is fleeting. What's your point?

If you didn't get it after that last post of mine, you're just a numbskull.

Once again....

Science can only ascertain what is, but not what should be,

There is no "should be" there are no personal truths.....

It isn't fleeting, it isn't there. The gravel the rockies they are the same thing.
The young bitch and the old the same thing.
It isn't fleeting it is an illusion, a magic trick.
And you are a dolt for thinking otherwise.

AlphaOmega123

11-06-2007, 02:40 PM

..AlphaOmega..

..Trust me; I know where you’re coming from better than most when it comes to this topic, but how can you tell FB that his intelligence is to be questioned just because he sees things differently?
Anywho, Science is wonderful, but how does it give you the right to judge something as abstract as human interpretation? This is working in the exact opposite direction of what Science encourages, an open mind..

..But I’m not asking you to doubt Science; I’m questioning your motives for bringing an individual’s mental capacity into an argument that is obviously being used as a way to rip into a nigga. It looked more like the back-n-forth squabbling of juveniles. Honestly, I’ve got nothing against you (well, maybe with the exception of how you display your disdain for foreign philosophies); however, it seems like you’re using your knowledge as a weapon against the “infidel free-thinkers and beatnik hippies”..

..This does leave me with a question. If FB’s brain created a positive association with the Grand Canyon or Ayers Rock, how is that any different from your affinity (or your brain’s positive association) to the rational nature of Science and it’s postulations or even the GZA? I’m not sure if there is a principle in conception that would accurately explain why/how we develop these different tastes. If there is, I’m sure it defends both FB’s perception and intellect but please enlighten me..

~1

Abstract? Most people would agree with him I hardly find it abstract. it's no different than looking into a fun house mirror.
The sense are far from perfect knowledge has no limit, no blind spot.
Empiricism out weighs everything and without it we would be nowhere.

And the only open minded science is pseudo science. Sorry but reality is something you can either cope with or live in a cave to escape. Science corrects itself but some shit is blatantly wrong geo centracism comes to mind.

He also stated he believes in an infinite existence without using anything to defend his view he thinks anyone who believes otherwise is an idiot.
I guess that makes alot of people stupid.

"Infidel free thinkers" bother me for the simple reason they aren't free, they aren't free to accpet reality might not be that interesting or that beautiful. I however started out thinking shit was beautiful one comes to a later realization that it is the opposite.
Vanity is a strong force that should be stomped out as soon as it rises.

Everybody starts out in wonderland but when we see through the looking glass I think it's obvious what is and isn't.

WoLL

11-06-2007, 03:41 PM

"Empiricism outweights everything and without it we would be nowhere"

There is too much wrong with that sentence. I believe rationalism to play an equal a role as empiricism. The "stick in the water" is an example of empiricism's limits.

And on the topic of beauty, we could go down the Plato route of saying beauty is an unchanging form that all things possess but cannot fully be.

To prevent my opinion becomin' a lame 48535838 page argument into what's real and what's not because I'm not much of a philosopher. I'll just say... cogito ergo sum. Bye.

wamumosthate

11-06-2007, 03:42 PM

:jerry:

AlphaOmega123

11-06-2007, 03:48 PM

There is too much wrong with that sentence. I believe rationalism to play an equal a role as empiricism.

BAHAHA philosophy is old men talking if you don't like empiricism then you must give up everything it's created including that computer.

~Damien~

11-06-2007, 03:50 PM

..AlphaOmega..

..Friend, I can’t help but find it laughable how seriously you take, what you may want to call, “the ramblings of an imbecile”. If you know for certain that FB cannot produce empirical claims to his perception/interpretation of the abstract, why go to such lengths to prove him to be mentally deficient? I find that to be a huge waste of your time..

..Next, I think you may have misconstrued my words in regards to open-mindedness. I wasn’t claiming that Science needs to be “open-minded”. That alone carries a negative connotation in that respect, especially to someone as intelligent as yourself. What I said was that Science encourages us to possess an open-mind. Case in point, Geocentrism. I’m sure you could see that it took an “open mind” to motivate the likes of Galileo..

..I’m not planning on getting into a heated discourse about FB’s personal opinions; this is the reason I tend to reserve mine, but I find that the usage of your time is extremely inefficient if you refuse to let this go. I just hope you aren’t using your “social disorder” as an excuse for being an ass. Either that or you lack an imagination due to an afflicted childhood. I could go on until Armageddon, but that would be pointless, wouldn’t it?

~1

WoLL

11-06-2007, 03:51 PM

This whole conversation has been philosophising. It seems to me that you don't actually understand what you are talking about. I believe empiricism to be real talk but it's just one of the two main epistemological schools. You cannot work everything out by using your senses because they can deceived. Just by looking around us, we are pretty much getting a 2D view of the world @ Alpha.

AlphaOmega123

11-06-2007, 03:56 PM

AlphaOmega123

11-06-2007, 03:59 PM

This whole conversation has been philosophising. It seems to me that you don't actually understand what you are talking about.

A world view is not a philosophy because unlike philosophy I don't use shitty quick generalizations. Philosophers are fit to do bumper stickers not tell me what is beautiful.
I don't value buddha or plato or anybody else...

If it can't be demonstrated all it's good for is talking.
In other words nothing....

If only the retro fitted philosophies of old would be burned...
The world would be a better place...

WoLL

11-06-2007, 04:08 PM

I'm damn sure you're just drawing me into yet another time-wasting exercise by denouncing philosophy (a subject you seem to know nothing at all about) like that. You are talking about empiricism, which comes under PHILOSOPHY. I'm not typing that in caps because I e-shouted it or anything. You just need to know that this is a philosophical conversation. We are using words, not actions here. We are exchanging opinions on our "worldviews", hence we are supposedly trading wisdom. You are unbelievably ignorant. If you believe that living in a cave and avoiding discussions that could open your eyes up to new ways of evaluating things then... I just wasted a few minutes of my life typing this paragraph that I'm not getting back.

~Damien~

11-06-2007, 04:12 PM

Philosophers are fit to do bumper stickers not tell me what is beautiful.
So, who or what is fit to tell you what is beautiful??

If it can't be demonstrated all it's good for is talking.
In other words nothing.
..I'm sure you can think of some talking points in the Scientific community which cannot be presently demonstrated. I do, however, doubt you'd be so inclined as to call them "nothing"..

~1

AlphaOmega123

11-06-2007, 04:16 PM

I'm damn sure you're just drawing me into yet another time-wasting exercise by denouncing philosophy (a subject you seem to know nothing at all about) like that. You are talking about empiricism, which comes under PHILOSOPHY.

NO it doesn't.
Philosophy is just a rationalists escape from uncertainty science is a torch in the night aristotle is just lame.

I'm sorry but logical paradoxes and long ended lectures on fabricated importance of our species based soley on how our species sees itself are completely fucking worthless.

If you have a degree in any form of philosophy fuck you, if you happen to think philosophers of science such as robert pennock are worth consideration also fuck you.

We are using words, not actions here.

DATA can be summarized into words however a philosophy is a biased fabricated way of interpreting data..

Like I said worthless.

moving on....

AlphaOmega123

11-06-2007, 04:19 PM

So, who or what is fit to tell you what is beautiful??

..I'm sure you can think of some talking points in the Scientific community which cannot be presently demonstrated. I do, however, doubt you'd be so inclined as to call them "nothing"..

~1

The scientific community is not scientific as science relies on demonstration not concensus. I hate the state for this very reason.

As for what is beautiful, the things that are not subject to the withering of age are beautiful because we can see that they don't crumble or decay or blah blah ....
I think that's just kind of obvious.

~Damien~

11-06-2007, 04:25 PM

The scientific community is not scientific as science relies on demonstration not concensus. I hate the state for this very reason.
..I see your point. Am I right in assuming that you don't believe in theories? I only assume since they are still regarded as theory (rational assumption) and not applied Law through demonstration..

As for what is beautiful, the things that are not subject to the withering of age are beautiful because we can see that they don't crumble or decay or blah blah ....
I think that's just kind of obvious.
..As obvious as it may be from a personal perspective, thanks for humoring me. But isn't it safe to say that everything we know of eventually decays?

~1

Shift

11-06-2007, 04:35 PM

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My contribution. Rubicon, buddah and Pot Noodle.

Aww fuck you, I only have a dub on me right now which I am trying to spread over the course of 3 weeks :(

Ade Akinbiyi

11-06-2007, 04:35 PM

Am I the only person who physically cannot read an AlphaOmega post from beginning to end? By the end of the first line my brain turns itself off and I have to find something else to look at.

AlphaOmega123

11-06-2007, 04:36 PM

..I see your point. Am I right in assuming that you don't believe in theories? I only assume since they are still regarded as theory (rational assumption) and not applied Law through demonstration..

I might believe in one but one must remember a theory has credible evidence that can be demonstrated. I think you are talking more a hypothesis than a theory.

..As obvious as it may be from a personal perspective, thanks for humoring me. But isn't it safe to say that everything we know of eventually decays

Hmm, somedays I think we're on the verge of finding that which is eternal I'll have to think about that for a moment.
But consider this mozart is still played today and is still beautiful would you have any reason to think his pieces would be any uglier if properly done at any point in time?

WoLL

11-06-2007, 04:51 PM

NO it doesn't.
Philosophy is just a rationalists escape from uncertainty science is a torch in the night aristotle is just lame.

I'm sorry but logical paradoxes and long ended lectures on fabricated importance of our species based soley on how our species sees itself are completely fucking worthless.

Your pessimistic outlook on the subject is very sad indeed. You can call philosophy a pseudoscience but all I have to do is namedrop Karl Marx and what you have to say there falls apart.

If you have a degree in any form of philosophy fuck you, if you happen to think philosophers of science such as robert pennock are worth consideration also fuck you.I have a philosophy education certificate, you clinging-onto-the-autistic-spectrum bastard. I wouldn't normally come out with such a thing in a debate but all civility went away when you said that.

DATA can be summarized into words

Read up on the Vienna circle because I cannot be bothered pointing out why that belief is flawed.

however a philosophy is a biased fabricated way of interpreting data..

Like I said worthless.

moving on....No.

~Damien~

11-06-2007, 04:58 PM

I might believe in one but one must remember a theory has credible evidence that can be demonstrated. I think you are talking more a hypothesis than a theory.
..Well, you're right. The Hypothesis-Theory relation would have better illustrated my question, but I was trying to find the extent to which you took your belief in demonstration. But then again, I guess it would be a philosophical inquiry..

Hmm, somedays I think we're on the verge of finding that which is eternal I'll have to think about that for a moment.
But consider this mozart is still played today and is still beautiful would you have any reason to think his pieces would be any uglier if properly done at any point in time?

..Touché..

..So we find that music is "eternal"....well I guess it's as eternal as the method used to play it and the ears to appreciate it, but I see what you're getting at..

..Now, I don't really want to bring it up again, but I have to just this last time. I believe that the relation of Time which we've just expressed is important. Where Mozart's work is timeless, in your response...it's still pretty much just wavelengths. Nothing too special about it. In the case of FB, he sees certain things - which we may see as temporary - and he sees them in a different "static frame" in regards to Time. He's viewing it in that moment, so to speak, as opposed to the grand scheme of things, ya' feel me..

~1

AlphaOmega123

11-06-2007, 05:03 PM

Your pessimistic

And that right there I can't stand, something either is or isn't don't give me sincerity and feelings damn it.
I can't stand that soulful I am woe bullshit.

You can call philosophy a pseudoscience

No I call philosophy a very pitiful form of theater.

but all I have to do is namedrop Karl Marx and what you have to say there falls apart.

AHA you don't think Marx ever said anything empirically incorrect?

I'd be more than happy to mop the floor with his naive out-look on materialism.

Marxists are some of the most pathetic dreamers to ever walk this earth.. They think human beings could be a commodity when we are not all equal in intelligence and work ethic and that a unity is possible when our species has been killing itself since the beginning of time.

Sorry but marxism is a dogma worse than Neodarwinism

I have a philosophy education certificate, you clinging-onto-the-autistic-spectrum bastard. I wouldn't normally come out with such a thing in a debate but all civility went away when you said that.

Oh no he's not being civil with his words...

HIT THE DECK!!!!!

A state marked stamp of approval will get you nothing with me.
I don't value the state and I don't care what it has to say.

Read up on the Vienna circle because I cannot be bothered pointing out why that belief is flawed.

That is not a belief I can put data into words ... "two plus two equals four"...Yeah thank you...

No.
Oh yes I am.

AlphaOmega123

11-06-2007, 05:07 PM

..So we find that music is "eternal"....well I guess it's as eternal as the method used to play it and the ears to appreciate it, but I see what you're getting at..

..Now, I don't really want to bring it up again, but I have to just this last time. I believe that the relation of Time which we've just expressed is important. Where Mozart's work is timeless, in your response...it's still pretty much just wavelengths. Nothing too special about it. In the case of FB, he sees certain things - which we may see as temporary - and he sees them in a different "static frame" in regards to Time. He's viewing it in that moment, so to speak, as opposed to the grand scheme of things, ya' feel me..

Actually it's a great deal of thought his pieces werent just the result of wavelengths but of superior intelligence.
He put many different harmonies together and there are some human beings who simply cannot do that.
And unlike the women florida breeze posted a sound can be recorded restored and still seen as beautiful where as with women beauty is a fabricated part of a society.. ever see marylin monroe? FAT ugly BITCH.

~Damien~

11-06-2007, 05:09 PM

..

..You're a fascinating individual. I've gotta get outta the office now, but I'll be back later this evening with a response..

~1

Dezpotic

11-06-2007, 05:10 PM

WoLL

11-06-2007, 05:12 PM

And that right there I can't stand, something either is or isn't don't give me sincerity and feelings damn it. I can't stand that soulful I am woe bullshit.

But… you were being pessimistic. You don’t value philosophy and hence, are pessimistic towards it’s value. Pessimistic does not = whining a good deal of the time.

No I call philosophy a very pitiful form of theater.

Much like that "pithy" comeback.

"AHA you don't think Marx ever said anything empirically incorrect?"

Was I even debating that? In fact... have I doubted empiricism's value at all? No, I didn't think so.

I'd be more than happy to mop the floor with his naive out-look on materialism.

I'm not a great defender of Marx so fairplay to you.

Marxists are some of the most pathetic dreamers to ever walk this earth.. They think human beings could be a commodity when we are not all equal in intelligence and work ethic and that a unity is possible when our species has been killing itself since the beginning of time.

Sorry but marxism is a dogma worse than Neodarwinism

It's all very well you having that opinion but his "pitiful form of theater" lead to action.

Oh no he's not being civil with his words...

HIT THE DECK!!!!!

A state marked stamp of approval will get you nothing with me.

So I'm not going to get intelligent responses? Aww... I might give up with this soon.

I don't value the state and I don't care what it has to say.

That is not a belief I can put data into words ... "two plus two equals four"...Yeah thank you...

And your point is what exactly?

AlphaOmega123

11-06-2007, 05:12 PM

whoa, man

marylin monroe had her day

I mean, yeah, physical beauty is subjective, but I think that applies to music as well

if physical beauty is captured in a photo, then that photo can be handed down forever in different media, and people can still find it beautiful, just like music captured

But see there's the difference monroe was just decades ago mozart was centuries and obviously musical appreciation could be altered by the human ear if it were to evolve or change but as far as I can tell what is liked as far as women go is more cultural.
Sound waves are.. a little bit more abstract than images .... I can understand your point I just think music is much much more timeless.

WoLL

11-06-2007, 05:13 PM

Actually it's a great deal of thought his pieces werent just the result of wavelengths but of superior intelligence.
He put many different harmonies together and there are some human beings who simply cannot do that.

Aye, I read a similar article about some human's having a brain for music. I wouldn't call it having superior intellect however.

Dezpotic

11-06-2007, 05:19 PM

But see there's the difference monroe was just decades ago mozart was centuries and obviously musical appreciation could be altered by the human ear if it were to evolve or change but as far as I can tell what is liked as far as women go is more cultural.
Sound waves are.. a little bit more abstract than images .... I can understand your point I just think music is much much more timeless.

I know what you mean, like how pale skin was once considered a sign of wealth, and therefore beautiful

tastes definitely vary, but at the very depths of humanity, just as a man may be attracted to corpulence, there are going to be those that find the sound of a bucket being kicked down a flight of stairs preferable to mozart, wierd as you or I might find that

anyways, I'm going to hop out of the thread, since you have enough people arguing as it is

AlphaOmega123

11-06-2007, 05:19 PM

But… you were being pessimistic. You don’t value philosophy and hence, are pessimistic towards it’s value. Pessimistic does not = whining a good deal of the time.

I'm not whining I'm telling you what is and isn't.
If something is not of value it is worthless it is you who is whining because I criticized something you care about more than facts.

It's all very well you having that opinion but his "pitiful form of theater" lead to action.

Oh yes the ignorant killing of millions.. Oh my, let's give him a nice round of applaus I'm sure china, germany and poland are all especially thankful for marx and his retarded ass out look on life.

So I'm not going to get intelligent responses? Aww... I might give up with this soon.

Intelligent people don't resort to credentialism as intelligence is the capacity to learn things not the number of things learned.
Your state bench marks acually make you limited and therefor less intelligent.

And your point is what exactly?

Exactly what I said earlier although Data can be summarized with words science doesn't twist those words philosophy does. Philosophy is biased and therefor not empirical

I'm done with this and you can either take it or leave it.
PHilosophy is a useless tool and anyone who dedicates their life to it is also useless in turn.

WoLL

11-06-2007, 05:30 PM

I'm not whining I'm telling you what is and isn't.
If something is not of value it is worthless it is you who is whining because I criticized something you care about more than facts.

I didn’t say you were whining. Re-read what I posted.

Oh yes the ignorant killing of millions.. Oh my, let's give him a nice round of applaus I'm sure china, germany and poland are all especially thankful for marx and his retarded ass out look on life.

Action is action. It wasn’t up for debate whether his work lead to great things or not.

Intelligent people don't resort to credentialism as intelligence is the capacity to learn things not the number of things learned.
Your state bench marks acually make you limited and therefor less intelligent.

“Intelligent” was meant as an indication of your capacity to learn. So… no.

Exactly what I said earlier although Data can be summarized with words science doesn't twist those words philosophy does. Philosophy is biased and therefor not empirical

You cannot say philosophy is not empirical if one of it's main epistemological schools is... empiricism. It just doesn't make much sense, you know.

I'm done with this and you can either take it or leave it.
PHilosophy is a useless tool and anyone who dedicates their life to it is also useless in turn.

... you're a useless tool. >.>

Florida Breeze

11-06-2007, 06:42 PM

There is no "should be" there are no personal

truths.....

It isn't fleeting, it isn't there. The gravel the rockies they are the same thing.
The young bitch and the old the same thing.
It isn't fleeting it is an illusion, a magic trick.
And you are a dolt for thinking otherwise.

A magic trick? You're really dense, you really are. Do you really think I'm

incapable of seeing things for how they truly are? Do you think I don't sit back

sometimes and think about how everything is made up of particles?

Any interaction between particles, such as a blade of grass blowing in the

slightest wind or a slap to your face is kinetic energy.

How about when I fold your fucking body into an origami swan for being a smartass,

and watch your body unfold itself violently, as it releases it's potential energy

and then watch it retract itself because of gravity.

Now, before you pick apart my words, I'm fully aware of the Duality Paradox

between particles and waves. Let's continue...

Abstract? Most people would agree with him I hardly

find it abstract. it's no different than looking into a fun house mirror.
The sense are far from perfect knowledge has no limit, no blind spot.
Empiricism out weighs everything and without it we would be nowhere.

And the only open minded science is pseudo science. Sorry but reality is something

you can either cope with or live in a cave to escape. Science corrects itself but

some shit is blatantly wrong geo centracism comes to mind.

He also stated he believes in an infinite existence without using anything to

defend his view he thinks anyone who believes otherwise is an idiot.
I guess that makes alot of people stupid.

"Infidel free thinkers" bother me for the simple reason they aren't free, they

aren't free to accpet reality might not be that interesting or that beautiful. I

however started out thinking shit was beautiful one comes to a later realization

that it is the opposite.
Vanity is a strong force that should be stomped out as soon as it rises.

Everybody starts out in wonderland but when we see through the looking glass I

think it's obvious what is and isn't.

"Empiricism out weighs everything and without it we would be nowhere."

Okay Newton. I wasn't born with my views, you can call my view of particles more

of an epiphany than anything else, hence empiricism.

I'd like to think you didn't reach all these conclusions of existence through

someone else's words, because you would once again be contradicting yourself.

Yes, I do believe in infinity. Infinity has it's "flaws" according to the Second

Law of Thermodynamics, but the Second law of Thermodynamics is not without it's

own.

Do I believe in the Second Law of Thermodyanmics? Of course, I accept it. I'd be

an idiot not to. But for you to apply it to everything is a generalization. This

is a stretch, but I believe it is possible for the universe to be infinitely

expanding and for the the Second Law of Thermodynamics to remain in place. Call it

a contradiction, but the fact that the Universe exists is a paradox itself.

Infinity exists, because it has to. If you're saying the Universe is a closed

system making the SLT possible, it must be contained within something.

Consider this. Staying within the limits of SLT, is it possible our Universe is

one of an infinite amount of Universes? Is there energy being transferred between

Universes?

It's entirely possible.

For you to sit here and tell me infinity is impossible is just asinine. Maybe I

was a bit harsh calling "anyone who doesn't believe in infinity" an idiot, but I

was really referring to you more than anyone else.

..AlphaOmega..

..Friend, I can’t help but find it laughable how seriously you take, what you may

want to call, “the ramblings of an imbecile”. If you know for certain that FB

cannot produce empirical claims to his perception/interpretation of the abstract

, why go to such lengths to prove him to be mentally deficient? I find that to

be a huge waste of your time..

~1

He doesn't know for certain. For all I know, this kid is some clown sitting at

home glued to Google.com. Show me some credentials Alpha, and I might be willing

to back off.

Social disorder? Nah I wish it was just a social

disorder.
As far as mocking people.. Ignorance is a crime worse than murder he's lucky all I

can do is type at him.
As for my time I aint doing shit right now...

Haha, you're a faggot, seriously. Your tired ass interlect isn't impressing

anyone. You're regurgitating a bunch of information to validate your misguided

impression of life. Life's hard on everybody kid, get over it. Just because some

girl dumped you, doesn't mean there's no "beauty" in anything. The thing is, I'm

not disagreeing with the fact that all things eventually wither away and fade out

of existence, I'm calling you a hypocrite. You are a human being, at least I hope

so. You pointed out the physical flaws of both the man and woman in my mock

photograph. You discuss your preferences of hip hop music in the HHF. You have

some sense of humor, though you rarely choose to express it. That is your

humanity. Certain things interest you, and specific things are appealing to your

brain, whether it be visually or auditory. I'm sure you find certain individuals

(whether it's men or women, I'm not sure about you) more physically appealing than

others, perhaps even beautiful. So for you to sit here and dissect my words, based

on what I find beautiful, is simply hypocritical.

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So, who or what is fit to tell you what is beautiful??

..I'm sure you can think of some talking points in the Scientific community which

cannot be presently demonstrated. I do, however, doubt you'd be so inclined as to

call them "nothing"..

~1

Exactly.

..I see your point. Am I right in assuming that you don't believe in theories? I

only assume since they are still regarded as theory (rational assumption)

and not applied Law through demonstration..

..As obvious as it may be from a personal perspective, thanks for humoring me. But

isn't it safe to say that everything we know of eventually decays?

~1

Except perhaps diamonds? If the Universe does in fact interact with other

Universes, it is possible that diamonds do exist forever.

Once again, before you jump down my throat and tell me why I'm wrong Alpha, why

don't you take it up with the scientists who are working on determining whether or

not diamonds are truly "forever". They're working on "dry" diamond mechanics.

Also, in accordance with the Second Law of Thermodynamics, matter with the absence of energy would exist in a Dead Universe. Life couldn't exist, but some things do last forever.

..Well, you're right. The Hypothesis-Theory relation would have better illustrated

my question, but I was trying to find the extent to which you took your belief in

demonstration. But then again, I guess it would be a philosophical inquiry..

..Touché..

..So we find that music is "eternal"....well I guess it's as eternal as the method

used to play it and the ears to appreciate it, but I see what you're getting at..

..Now, I don't really want to bring it up again, but I have to just this last

time. I believe that the relation of Time which we've just expressed is important.

Where Mozart's work is timeless, in your response...it's still pretty much just

wavelengths. Nothing too special about it. In the case of FB, he sees certain

things - which we may see as temporary - and he sees them in a different "static

frame" in regards to Time. He's viewing it in that moment, so to speak, as

opposed to the grand scheme of things, ya' feel me..

~1

Of course I'm viewing them for what they are now. The Sun will one day burn out, and the Earth will one day crumble away. That doesn't mean these things aren't beautiful now.

That's funny by the way...

This kid doesn't want to acknowledge infinity, but he thinks music is eternal? How is that even possible?

Are you saying that mathematically, the patterns of music have always been and always will be? Are you saying that all music is eternal because of all the possibilities of creating a musical pattern can be discovered by anyone at anytime? Maybe Mozart's music will untintentionally be rediscovered 10 million years from now? Maybe Mozart stumbled upon music that was around 4 billion years ago?

Or are you saying it floats around in the abyss of a Dead Universe for eternity?

B-Rock

11-06-2007, 09:50 PM

New Conspiracy Theory:

Alpha looks up all his shit on google and uses a thesaurus.

lol

Jayant

11-06-2007, 11:52 PM

maybe we should get some cunt to rape his dad and little sister, then maybe he'd commit suicide and yeah it'd be sweet on RW's again..

AlphaOmega123

11-07-2007, 03:52 AM

to Jaycook

I don't have a little sister. I am the youngest of my siblings.. And FYI I don't think whoever pays you to flip burgers pays you enough to afford someone to do anything, more over I bet face to face you are an obnoxious little shit I'd mop the fucking floor with.

To B-rock there are no arguments in a thesaurus and just because google has a vast reach doesn't mean you are going to be able to find arguments as esoteric as mine.

If so show me the google page with the exact words I've used...
Yeah none exist good effort though maybe you should stick to the field of philosophy... you know that one where you talk alot about logic problems with no experimentation kinda like the early cave men?

A magic trick? You're really dense, you really are. Do you really think I'm

incapable of seeing things for how they truly are?

WOW, so then you admit I'm correct? lol

If things are "truly" the way I suggested then you have no argument.. Thanks you just handed me this whole discussion ....

Any interaction between particles, such as a blade of grass blowing in the

slightest wind or a slap to your face is kinetic energy.

How about when I fold your fucking body into an origami swan for being a smartass,

and watch your body unfold itself violently, as it releases it's potential energy

and then watch it retract itself because of gravity.

Take your soft artistic ass over to the sundance channel and cry about whatever gay cowboy movie they're showing.
You're scum as far as I am concerned.
I learned about kinetic energy and gravity before I was in double digits I don't find them that amazing....
I've road roller coasters I find kinetic energy kind of unpleasent not something to sit and marvel at...

But then again you said you spend time smelling your own feces so I'm not shocked you think grass blowing in the wind is something special.

"Empiricism out weighs everything and without it we would be nowhere."

Okay Newton. I wasn't born with my views

Yes, calling me guilty of newtonism really hurts... Sorry I stick to facts and not mystical feelings why don't you consult your magic eight ball and opium incense about what to say next nostradamus ?

Your concept of beauty is no different than a toddlers, you see something bright and colorful you think it is amazing... you see something large in scale same thing...

I'm sorry but you are hard to take seriously...

, you can call my view of particles more

of an epiphany than anything else, hence empiricism.

I'd like to think you didn't reach all these conclusions of existence through

someone else's words, because you would once again be contradicting yourself.

Nah it's demonstratable.
I don't care about the people, I care about the ideas the concepts ...
I do not try to fit with anybody I'm just speaking the truth.
There is nothing beautiful in the physical sense because everything that is physical is made of the same core components.

Yes, I do believe in infinity. Infinity has it's "flaws" according to the Second

Law of Thermodynamics, but the Second law of Thermodynamics is not without it's

own.

There are no known escapes of the second law.
I am sorry but you will refute gravity before you refute entropy learn to deal with it.

The laws of nature are non negotiable within this membrane that makes up our existence... However before that membrane formed none of those laws applied.

but I believe it is possible for the universe to be infinitely

expanding

Sorry but no there is a steady rate of expansion not an infinite one I get the feeling you don't comprehend infinity. If it were an infinitely expanding universe it would be at infinite speed with an infinite amount of expansion all around...
Infinite is not a physical possibility but more of a romantic idea...

The fact it is expanding at all makes it finite.
To expand it must go from one size to another even if that expansion is constant, there is a wall..
That wall is the edge of all existence it can move because there is nothing there to push back.

That is why it is called a "Universe" to begin with.

Infinity exists, because it has to. If you're saying the Universe is a closed

system making the SLT possible, it must be contained within something.

No ask anybody in physics and they will tell you the universe is SELF CONTAINED.

If you were to move faster than the walls of the expanding universe and go past them you would be making space time yourself, there is literally nothing there.

The very term universe refers to all that is, if this is truly a universe there CAN'T BE something beyond it.
That is what the word and the concept associated with it mean.

The universe is the spatio-temporal realm, therefore there can be nothing outside of it...

As for your "infinite universes" I already told you that is called an OMNIVERSE

The Idea you are trying to suggest is not original either, look up material on the "Many worlds theory" some time. I myself am more a fan of the "Rare earth theory"....

And as far as credentials go.. if you would back off someone based on credentials that shows bias on your part.
If you based your opinions on authority that means you are just taking someone's word for it and are therefor in no place to speak on "clowns using google".

Sorry but you sound mad hypocritical right now....Don't ever let someone tell you that because of their credentials they are better fit for an argument, credentialism is an elitist tactic and one sore losers resort to when they know they've been embarassed.

I get the feeling you cop out to damien to fan the flames ... I'm right here you want to criticize me then you can address me but don't try to brown nose just because he's smarter than you are.

Jayant

11-07-2007, 04:01 AM

AlphaOmega123

11-07-2007, 04:06 AM

LMAO lucky you said shit about me first, otherwise i wouldn't have seen that shit

and word them bitches don't pay me shit when i buy burgers and flip them to show off, i have to beat the cunts

You're a 17 year old with his head up his ass. People like you work retail and typically ask me "paper or plastic" you aren't scary get a hobby

Besides E-thugging

You got rims... just on a matchbox car...
You got style just not your own you got an attitude it's the same as a little kids..

Sorry someone didn't beat your ass like they should have but you aren't a thug.

Move on.

And Actually I'd have to let you strike first since technically you are a minor.

Florida Breeze

11-07-2007, 04:13 AM

The fact it is expanding at all makes it finite.
To expand it must go from one size to another even if that expansion is constant, there is a wall..
That wall is the edge of all existence it can move because there is nothing there to push back.

That is why it is called a "Universe" to begin with..

I'm not touching the rest of what you said, because it seems I pushed a button. Rub that sand out of your vagina, and pull that twist out of your panties. Also, congratulations on being a prodigy at such a young age, I'm sure your parents are proud that you utilized your ability to "educate" people on a Rap forum. Once again, kudos.

Now, as to the Universe being finite, because it is expanding....

Perhaps OUR universe is finite.

Perhaps OUR universe is self contained.

Existence however, is infinite. You can argue this point with me all you want to, but you can't prove that you're right, and neither can I. Sorry kiddo, maybe trillions of years into the future we might have an idea of what's going on, but right now, nobody truly knows.

You're so reliant on your "beliefs" and see them as the ULTIMATE answer to everything.

Answer me this :

Why does anything exist? Where did the first hydrogen molecule and first oxygen molecule suddenly come from? How did something come from nothing?

Can you answer that for me?

No, you can't. Don't even try. Nobody knows the answer to that, but for some reason I have a feeling you'll try to answer it for all of us.

Oh, I will address one last thing. You said nothing is beautiful, because everything is made up of the same components. Once again, I FUCKING KNOW. You're beating a horse! We've established that all matter is made up of the same fundamental building blocks. Quit falling back on that excuse!

Since you obviously have a respect for music...CONSIDER THIS Einstein.

Here's some Mozart.

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b349/Rogaine/cello2-1.jpg

Okay....examine it...now...you ready?

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b349/Rogaine/cello22.jpg

Take a good look at the two of them!

Do you think that second sheet of music is a masterpiece? Do you think that second sheet is the SAME as the first?

It's the same components. Same exact notes...everything is the SAME, except it's all rearranged!

One would sound like a cello in a masterpiece, the other would probably sound like a dyslexic cello player.

If you tell me that doesn't matter, it's just OBVIOUS that you're continuing this bullshit for the sake of an argument.

Get over your ego, and shut the fuck up already.

Jayant

11-07-2007, 04:14 AM

^ LMAO i got my life, you got yours, mines damn good i wouldn't swap it for nothing, you on the otherhand homie, you are one depressed dirty nigga who comes to a hip hop site to sulk and bitch about people and not even talk about hip hop, i guarentee only 20 of your posts are your opinions on hip hop (not counting arguing about someone hating an artist you like or liking an artist you hate)..

believe what you want about me, but your the one saying you'd mop the floor with my face.. and i'm telling you how it is... you just wouldn't be able to do that too me, and if you actually knew me i reckon you'd like me.. i don't hate anyone homie, and i don't hate you, i just feel sorry for you.

Florida Breeze

11-07-2007, 04:19 AM

^ AlphaOmega is just out of touch with reality, no matter how in touch he thinks he really is.

He's a One Upper.

http://images.businessweek.com/ss/06/12/1220_gluesociety/image/04_gk3.jpg

Jayant

11-07-2007, 04:24 AM

^ AlphaOmega is just out of touch with reality, no matter how in touch he thinks he really is.

he's one fucked up cunt, hopefully he ain't like this in real life, imagine knowing someone like that...

you'd be like "damn today is a nice day" and he'd bust out with "the sun is up, so fucking what? that doesn't make it a good, great, bad, or average day? infact today is just a day it isn't beautiful, because there is no such thing, it is like every other day......... etc, he'll go on for hours about how you're stupid for saying it"

i want to see what he looks like as well, since D.Down posted that emo pic asking if it was him, that's how i've always imagined him.. and that was one of the ugliest people i've ever seen.

Florida Breeze

11-07-2007, 04:29 AM

I have a feeling he's Jewish.

Jayant

11-07-2007, 04:39 AM

^ hmmm all the jews i know are happy cunts, and a family im friends with that are jewish have a damn fine daughter, fuck i wanna tap it..

Florida Breeze

11-07-2007, 04:41 AM

He had his heart broken recently, it's pretty obvious.

It's so sad, why would anyone want to harm such a gentle being?

Jayant

11-07-2007, 04:46 AM

^ lmao oh word? is that why he's so depressed, yeah and i mean this nigga is so sweet why would you dump him? i feel ya

AlphaOmega123

11-07-2007, 12:35 PM

I'm not touching the rest of what you said,

No you aren't doing it because you know you just got corrected.
An infinite universe is not possible and an infinite number of universes would be called an omniverse.
If you were to go beyond that wall you would be making space time yourself because there is nothing beyond that wall.

Sorry but that is physics in it's most simplistic form.

because it seems I pushed a button. Rub that sand out of your vagina,

^^^^^
That is unoriginal and a way of saying "I have nothing to say so I'll just throw personal insults to make up for my lack of an argument."

And fyi ripping off eric cartman does not make you funny.

Now, as to the Universe being finite, because it is expanding....

Perhaps OUR universe is finite.

No not "perhaps" dumb ass, it has to be finite it is physically impossible for it not to be because it is expanding.

There is no perhaps there is no argument, stop trying.
You can't go from one size to another and then say we live in an infinite universe if it was infinite there would be no edge...

It was finite as a primeval atom, it is finite now.

As for me correcting people on a rap forum you dedicated this thread to try and correct me hypocrite.
Stop contradicting yourself.

And my age? You got 2 years on me get over yourself.

Perhaps OUR universe is self contained.
Existence however , is infinite. You can argue this point with me all you want to, but you can't prove that you're right, and neither can I. Sorry kiddo, maybe trillions of years into the future we might have an idea of what's going on, but right now, nobody truly knows.

So every physicist is wrong and you're right my what a compelling argument.

You know what for someone who claims to be intelligent you certainly are a stubborn ass.

When you grow up and realize that you just want to look out at the world in awe because it makes you feel better let me know.

Answer me this :

Why does anything exist? Where did the first hydrogen molecule and first oxygen molecule suddenly come from? How did something come from nothing?

Can you answer that for me?

you can't. Don't even try. Nobody knows the answer to that, but for some reason I have a feeling you'll try to answer it for all of us.

... Pre big bang the laws of physics didn't apply how the fuck does that carry relevance to an infinite universe? Yeah it doesn't.

You are just looking for something to cling to.
I knocked you off your omniverse route now you switch to this..

Make up an argument then try to defend it.

Oh, I will address one last thing. You said nothing is beautiful, because everything is made up of the same components. Once again, I FUCKING KNOW. You're beating a horse! We've established that all matter is made up of the same fundamental building blocks. Quit falling back on that excuse!

? what excuse? Look if it is made of the same thing it is the same thing.
I'm sorry but your admiration for shape is just childish.
Get a life.
Ewww hills are big! tits bounce!

...

My oh my what an impressive way of thinking that is...

Since you obviously have a respect for music...CONSIDER THIS Einstein.

Here's some Mozart.

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b349/Rogaine/cello2-1.jpg

Okay....examine it...now...you ready?

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b349/Rogaine/cello22.jpg

Take a good look at the two of them!

Do you think that second sheet of music is a masterpiece? Do you think that second sheet is the SAME as the first?

It's the same components. Same exact notes...everything is the SAME, except it's all rearranged!

One would sound like a cello in a masterpiece, the other would probably sound like a dyslexic cello player.

If you tell me that doesn't matter, it's just OBVIOUS that you're continuing this bullshit for the sake of an argument.

Get over your ego, and shut the fuck up already

..What are you even talking about?

Fyi that isn't an entire piece by mozart thats a piece of a piece by mozart.
He wrote music at times for upwards of 20 instruments not 1.

I get the feeling you don't actually read sheet music or even know much mozart...

YOu took an image and altered it what point have you? his work still sounds amazing and there are still copies of it in its original form.

Tell me hundreds of years from now what women will be in their prime from right now?

That is why I said music is eternal physical beauty is not.

You have missed my point entirely and are fabricating strawmen and making up arguments I never said to begin with.

Damn, you call me dense and you don't even get the point to begin with.
You altering an image isn't the same as the effects of aging on women.
Stop it, you're embarassing yourself.

~Damien~

11-07-2007, 01:44 PM

AlphaOmega123

11-07-2007, 03:15 PM

..AlphaOmega..

..Your disdain for Philosophy is completely evident. The thing is, everything you’ve said is rather subjective and it’s coming from a very biased opinion. Would you be willing to say otherwise? I’m sure you’d tell me that you prefer to us empirical evidence to make your decisions, but what empirical evidence do you have that undoubtedly justifies your take of Philosophy…my only request is that you don’t bring demonstration into the response..

..The reason I’m not as inclined to take demonstration as my determining factor is because I’m sure that every “discovery” was, in some way, demonstrated. How else could they have imposed their findings onto non-believers? Ocular proof is very powerful. However, we both know that Science is “self-correcting” to some respect and as others demonstrated their new findings, the old was thrown into the abyssal plane where we can find the ideas that the Moon was made of cheese and that there truly is a face on Mars..

..So, you’re saying that the major difference between what you find to be beautiful and what FB finds to be beautiful is “superior intelligence”. This raises two questions. First, are we differentiating between General Intelligence and Narrow Intelligence (you should see where I’m going with this based on your answer)? Secondly, how does this differ from how a theist would justify why (s)he finds the Grand Canyon, sunrise, or planet Earth beautiful? They can use your same argument of a superior intelligence. I assume you don’t believe in a “God” simply because empirical claims are skewed, there are no substantial & conclusive demonstrations which would lead you to believe otherwise, and the human animal’s history can accurately explain why “God” was created to maintain a social network worthy of outlasting competition among other groups..

..I find this to be false. Not everything you find to be valuable to you is the same to others. As valuable as you see Science, there are others who find it to hold the same value as McDonalds or The Lochness Monster. My point is, many people who are replying to your statements negatively are doing so because they understand that you have your values…however, they do not see that you’ve acknowledged that they have theirs and recipricated the same understanding. You’ve essentially done what many would be the moves of an Elitist. I’m not labeling you as such, I’m just trying to understand your perspective a little better..

~1

So tolerance is the problem? Funny I could have swore it was someone else who made this thread LOL

I'm sorry but I don't think it is subjective, the scientific method works and infront of any crowd I might add.

With philosophy there are certain groups who are easy to influence and often repeat the same ideas even when they mold new conclusions they do so for the same biased reasons that made their prior conclusions obsolete.
Science has had to hold it's ground on the world stage, not the cultural and that one is a much colder audience.

Yes it is true there are those who would compare consistancy with the loch ness monster.. But reality whether an illusion or real beyond our own conception of real is not something we have any power over.
To not acknowledge that there are laws and principles that have to be followed is immoral in my view.

Objective truth hurts but nothing in life was built around our way of thinking, with empirical evidence there is no bias or personal truth.
If I drop this pen in my hand it will fall at the same pace every time no matter who is watching...

I respect diplomacy and kindness but at some point the intellectual gloves have to come off.
For me this is when I hear people placing value or worth in materialistic things.

When it comes to intelligence narrow intelligence as opposed to general intelligence... My view of genius seem immoral to some because it goes in the face of what we like to believe true intelligence is...

But things annoy me...
I remember the neuropsychologist I used to see.
He reminded me repeatedly that what I was being tested on went against my Aspergers and that my writing portion was irrelevant... He said to take my verbal score as what my intellect was... I think that is a load..

Either it is an accurate way of determining intellect or it isn't...

I think even if Mozart was strictly limited to his comprehension of music his genius was so over powering a score based on comprehension of core subjects is irrelevant.

People simply are not a commodity...

As for a God I don't need to light a candle to see the sun.
The sheer complexity of certain biological creatures goes in the face of the second law of thermodynamics.

For there to be a useful system some level of intelligence is required as matter cannot become more complex on it's own.

Abiogenesis is lovely in concept but with no known violations of the second law we are left with the conclusion that some level of intelligence was required to form life.
HOWEVER

My problem with FB's kind of theism is it is blasphemous to assert everything has a purpose because you are then asserting an omnipotent God is incapable of doing something unintentionally.

This cannot be true as an omnipotent God is all powerful and therefor not limited by anything.(even doing something half assed)

Rocks and the formation of non living things show no complexity, unlike biological machinery they don't do anything.

There is no observable use. Saying the earth is set up for life is pretty pointless because there are more than likely other planets that could support life... Just because this spot was chosen for life does not make it special or unique.

Assuming purpose simply because something catches your eye is not scientific.
With music we can tell a practical purpose with taking certain harmonies and placing them one over the other. It is made to catch the human ear and only our species has an appreciation for it, It is unique.

~Damien~

11-07-2007, 04:31 PM

..

..Well, tolerance is just one of the things they hold against you. After all, this thread was started probably as a response to something you may have said..

..I don’t believe we’re on the same page about the subjectivity of Science, though. What I was trying to say is that your opinion itself is subjective in the high esteem which you hold it. Others may not be inclined to value Science much like we do. Because of this, your opinions on the importance of Science (not Science itself) is subjective..

..But trust me, I know the value of Science and the shit those of us who put faith in it go through. I just don’t think that you can just come out and tell niggas that their life has no value simply because they choose to study Philosophy. Personally, I have a huge interest in the topic because it allows me to think freely without having to restrain my thoughts with equations and structure. Think of it as Abstract Art or Free Form Jazz, I guess..

To not acknowledge that there are laws and principles that have to be followed is immoral in my view.
..How did morality make its way into your response? I guess the better way to ask would be lie this: what moral injustices has someone made when it’s simply their prerogative to acknowledge what they deem worthy of their value? Yes, they may be wrong, but who are we to decide that they’re being immoral - unreasonable maybe, but not immoral. Personally, I don’t believe in “morals” per se..

Objective truth hurts but nothing in life was built around our way of thinking, with empirical evidence there is no bias or personal truth.
..I agree to an extent. Objective truth is not structured around how we think, but they way empirical evidence is interpreted is. This is essentially what I was trying to get at earlier. However, we can assume that not everything we’ve come to know based on demonstration and scientific principle is immune to adjustment and amending in the future. About the pen, I’ve read that we can’t be sure that every time you let go of it, it will fall to the ground. I don’t put too much thought into that assumption, I just find it interesting..

..Now, I can definitely understand why you would take of the proverbial gloves of intellect, but what good does it do when your approach isn’t going to help educate someone? It’s actually working in the opposite direction and the knowledge you’re attempting to share is not received. Riddle: If you’re trying to teach and no one is listening, have you taught a thing?

..Honestly, I’ve taken this time to really see where you’re coming from and how you think simply because I’ve never really encountered someone who has Aspergers or fights so hard on the side of Science (with the exception, maybe, of ScottishHead)..

This cannot be true as an omnipotent God is all powerful and therefor not limited by anything.(even doing something half assed)
..That’s a great quote and I plan on holding on to it for a while, if you don’t mind..

It is made to catch the human ear and only our species has an appreciation for it, It is unique.
..I’ve heard that plants also react to music. But I see your point and I don’t have a counter-proposal for it. I agree. However, you said that assuming purpose for something isn’t scientific. I also agree with this, but can it be that maybe FB is just observing it because his brain as developed a positive association? He’s not really inferring that there HAS to be a scientific correlation to how he perceives it and the purpose it serves. But from an ecological & environmental point of view, I’m sure that those large formations of rock do hold some significance..

~1

AlphaOmega123

11-07-2007, 04:56 PM

..

..Well, tolerance is just one of the things they hold against you. After all, this thread was started probably as a response to something you may have said..

Yeah I said there was nothing beautiful in the physical realm of existence and FB says I'm pussy for it.
Apparently though he acknowledges things the way they really are do exist the way I see them.... some argument huh ? lol

..I don’t believe we’re on the same page about the subjectivity of Science, though. What I was trying to say is that your opinion itself is subjective in the high esteem which you hold it. Others may not be inclined to value Science much like we do. Because of this, your opinions on the importance of Science (not Science itself) is subjective..

I don't know... is it really my opinion or does data speak for itself?
Some interpretation exists but I'm not sure there's really all that much room to turn off the correct path into crazy land with it.

..But trust me, I know the value of Science and the shit those of us who put faith in it go through. I just don’t think that you can just come out and tell niggas that their life has no value simply because they choose to study Philosophy. Personally, I have a huge interest in the topic because it allows me to think freely without having to restrain my thoughts with equations and structure. Think of it as Abstract Art or Free Form Jazz, I guess..

I believe in a Predetermined outcome in life, we are pawns under these laws these rules, we are chapter in the greatest book ever written. Of course because we are only the text of the pages and not the hand that wrote it we aren't on the level of the master...

..How did morality make its way into your response? I guess the better way to ask would be lie this: what moral injustices has someone made when it’s simply their prerogative to acknowledge what they deem worthy of their value? Yes, they may be wrong, but who are we to decide that they’re being immoral - unreasonable maybe, but not immoral. Personally, I don’t believe in “morals” per se..

Poor choice of words on my part.... Alright not "immoral" but it is certainly irrational and that frightens me.
Delusional people should not be wandering about!

More or less yes I am knocking him unfairly but he started it:(
besides I gotta sit here regardless might as well make it worth it and go for the throat. peoples marriage certifications and drivers licenses don't interest me... I work on taxpayer money but damnit that doesn't mean I want anything to do with the taxpayers themselves!

..I agree to an extent. Objective truth is not structured around how we think, but they way empirical evidence is interpreted is. This is essentially what I was trying to get at earlier. However, we can assume that not everything we’ve come to know based on demonstration and scientific principle is immune to adjustment and amending in the future. About the pen, I’ve read that we can’t be sure that every time you let go of it, it will fall to the ground. I don’t put too much thought into that assumption, I just find it interesting..

That's technically true but I have no reason to doubt the pen will not fall at the same rate. It's only logical to think it'd be constant but meh..
As for interpreting evidence I think interpretations only go so far.. certainly not to where he wants to take them lol.

..Now, I can definitely understand why you would take of the proverbial gloves of intellect, but what good does it do when your approach isn’t going to help educate someone? It’s actually working in the opposite direction and the knowledge you’re attempting to share is not received. Riddle: If you’re trying to teach and no one is listening, have you taught a thing?

Oh I know I can't teach him anything but if someone sees me correcting him maybe just maybe this demonstration will get through to the on-looker.

..Honestly, I’ve taken this time to really see where you’re coming from and how you think simply because I’ve never really encountered someone who has Aspergers or fights so hard on the side of Science (with the exception, maybe, of ScottishHead)..

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..That’s a great quote and I plan on holding on to it for a while, if you don’t mind..

Not at all I often get into arguments with some people over the augustinian paradox and omnipotence so it's always in my head...

..I’ve heard that plants also react to music. But I see your point and I don’t have a counter-proposal for it. I agree. However, you said that assuming purpose for something isn’t scientific. I also agree with this, but can it be that maybe FB is just observing it because his brain as developed a positive association? He’s not really inferring that there HAS to be a scientific correlation to how he perceives it and the purpose it serves. But from an ecological & environmental point of view, I’m sure that those large formations of rock do hold some significance..~1

Significance to an on looker is subject to bias but significance still isn't necessarily purpose as purpose by definition is present at an object's inception.
Purposeful things are impressive because of the preplanning we have as a species.. Conceptual thought is something unique as well.. Almost makes you wonder who pre-planned the pre-planners...