What Region do ya'll mostly listen too? Im a Midwest nigga so thats where my ears are most of the time what about ya'll

As much as I'd like to rep the home team I'm afraid ohio aint got shit.
But for me.. I'd say most likely NY. Even their garbage is better than most the midwest, the west coast and the south.


(Yes I know I offended someone I feel how I feel though.)

Place is a rap mecca.

i'm all over...

i grew up a bone thugs fan as well as the old twista and do or die
but i grew to like alot of west coast artist for their relaness
i'm from down south so of course i was raised on 8ball and MJG,ugk and master p
but i also am into lyricism like a talib kweli and mos def


so i'm not a regional person....i'm into music

The south cum i'm into lyricists like lil wayne, ti, and ludacris while that may sound like i only listen to mainstream its not true i just like dudes that got talent and delivery

Currently: Midwest
All-time: South

Chicago, Illinois.

I'm partial to Afghani rap myself...something about the sampling of live decapitations.

Born in Queens and grew up in Brooklyn, so majority of the music I grew up listening to came from the East Coast, but I love all regions as no doubt each had something different and unique to offer.

I like all regions, but mainly the South.

there some things i like in all regions, and then again all regions got that shit i cant stand....hard to tell which one i like tho. id have to say NY cuz thats where im from and its always been stuck to me

Australia, or if U.S..Cleveland

As much as I'd like to rep the home team I'm afraid ohio aint got shit.
But for me.. I'd say most likely NY. Even their garbage is better than most the midwest, the west coast and the south.


(Yes I know I offended someone I feel how I feel though.)

Place is a rap mecca.
do you not know your area?
anyways, i rarely listen to anyone i cant drive to see live normally, so midwest. my last 15 purchases, 10 were withing 6 hours drive from my house to artists home towns

do you not know your area?
anyways, i rarely listen to anyone i cant drive to see live normally, so midwest. my last 15 purchases, 10 were withing 6 hours drive from my house to artists home towns
Yeah I know my area just fine.

The "nasty nati" hasn't got shit and tries to rip off the south.
North of here you got cleveland and toledo which has 10 rappers for every block and they're all garbage.

I mean even the acts that blew up.. really who gives a fuck about bone thugs? I'm sorry but their style of rap that bullshit staccato "listen to me try to tongue twist speed up and slow down just don't ask me to say anything worth remembering" brand of rap pisses me off.
I don't fucking care for them they're annoying as shit. after awhile it just sounds like noise not music. Im bleh blah bleh blah blah blah phone
and bleh bleh blah bleh blah blah home
I can't understand what layzie says except at the end of his bars...


Even next to mediocore rappers they look bad.


Then of course czar and nok oh boy what a brilliant couple of lyricists they are...

Nah man shit is wack, shit is really really fucking wack.
Aint a damn thing worth bumpin out here.

I like all regions.. but east easily takes it over the others..

out of my top 20 artists, 15 are from the east, 3 are from the west, and 1 each from the south and midwest

out of my top 5 duo's, 3 are from the east, and 1 each from the south and west.

out of my top 5 groups, 2 each are from the east and south, and 1 from the midwest.

So obviously Eastcoast is my preferred taste.

Oh if we're talking city, then NYC with ease.

Yeah I know my area just fine.

The "nasty nati" hasn't got shit and tries to rip off the south.
North of here you got cleveland and toledo which has 10 rappers for every block and they're all garbage.

I mean even the acts that blew up.. really who gives a fuck about bone thugs? I'm sorry but their style of rap that bullshit staccato "listen to me try to tongue twist speed up and slow down just don't ask me to say anything worth remembering" brand of rap pisses me off.
I don't fucking care for them they're annoying as shit. after awhile it just sounds like noise not music. Im bleh blah bleh blah blah blah phone
and bleh bleh blah bleh blah blah home
I can't understand what layzie says except at the end of his bars...


Even next to mediocore rappers they look bad.


Then of course czar and nok oh boy what a brilliant couple of lyricists they are...

Nah man shit is wack, shit is really really fucking wack.
Aint a damn thing worth bumpin out here.

ohio also has illogic, blue print, and a bunch of other superdope dudes.

NYC obviously has had the most history and the best past, but personally I love the West Coast. Lately however both coasts don't seem as strong as they once were and the last couple years Midwest been comin hard as has the South.

Basically all regions have some good music and that's all that truly matters.

As much as I'd like to rep the home team I'm afraid ohio aint got shit.
But for me.. I'd say most likely NY. Even their garbage is better than most the midwest, the west coast and the south.


(Yes I know I offended someone I feel how I feel though.)

Place is a rap mecca.

There's a Detroit in Ohio?

I listen to everything, but nothing touches the East Coast....lets be real here.....

There's a Detroit in Ohio?
And what the hell does that mean? "Yeah, cincinnati Toledo and cleveland are so totally in detroit111!"

ohio also has illogic, blue print, and a bunch of other superdope dudes.

he really doesn't like anything but hardcore type shit, lol

Yeah I'm not backpackish sorry I try to be open minded but I want straight out of compton gorillas in the mist or welcome to the terror dome or ready to die ... not
"I'm so poetic like the moon in june
Steady kickin those sick tunes
that grow in your mind exponential
and make you grow through your mental
because to boredom I'm suited
Because I've been neutered"



No not a real lyric but still...

From OH ten and i stay lovin the music in my area.

Yes, I'm scratchin again bitches.

Ummm...Ohio has Bone Thugs? Ray Cash?

Ummm...Ohio has Bone Thugs? Ray Cash?

I went over this already that style flow is a trick using phonetics you structure a verse a certain way it sounds a certain way, doesn't make you a brilliant mc.

Bone thugs are not a talent, same with twista, same with tech.

I don't know any Ray cash though so I really can't comment on that.

new york city, practically a factory for rappers.

Bone thugs are not a talent, same with twista, same with tech.


:smh:

East.

:smh:
Sorry but you use as many punch ins as tech then don't expect love.
With twista I can't even understand much of what he's saying so why then is he rapping?
Bone like I said just shit.

From the south, but I have to say the East Coast.

I went over this already that style flow is a trick using phonetics you structure a verse a certain way it sounds a certain way, doesn't make you a brilliant mc.

Bone thugs are not a talent, same with twista, same with tech.

I don't know any Ray cash though so I really can't comment on that.



You didn't prove anything with that depressing ass 'freestyle' of yours. If you really think Bone Thugs 'flow' is that one dimensional, you obviously haven't listened to much of their material.

You didn't prove anything with that depressing ass 'freestyle' of yours. If you really think Bone Thugs 'flow' is that one dimensional, you obviously haven't listened to much of their material.

Freestyle? I never said it was a freestyle or for that matter a rap.

That was me talking, not rapping.
Secondly I have heard them, I have heard them live, I have heard them on cd and honestly I think they blow. Stop getting mad I never said you had to agree.

With the talking my point was simply if you structure your bars a certain way that's all it takes to do that style of flow. It's all annunciation, that's it that's all the fuck it is.



And your acknowledging of my one dimension proves that point as that was the only dimension I was discussing.

If you wanna talk lyrics I'd be happy to actually write something with meaning depth punchlines metaphors and shit that actually takes thought since they can't do that either.

I'm not being an asshole with that either, look at thuggish ruggish bone then look at it aint hard to tell.
Just saying...

Bone is about as deep in thought as a dried up puddle in the sahara.

I'm actually from The West Coast and i'm into alot of midwest rap like

Bone Thugs,Twista,Do or Die, Crucial Conflict, etc. Some east coast is tight

not really into the south though besides outkast and nappy roots

Grew up on bone thugz, do or die, cash money. Tenage years, south was my spot, now as I get older NY shit. West coast is here and there.

East Coast, New York.

Freestyle? I never said it was a freestyle or for that matter a rap.

That was me talking, not rapping.
Secondly I have heard them, I have heard them live, I have heard them on cd and honestly I think they blow. Stop getting mad I never said you had to agree.

With the talking my point was simply if you structure your bars a certain way that's all it takes to do that style of flow. It's all annunciation, that's it that's all the fuck it is.



And your acknowledging of my one dimension proves that point as that was the only dimension I was discussing.

If you wanna talk lyrics I'd be happy to actually write something with meaning depth punchlines metaphors and shit that actually takes thought since they can't do that either.

I'm not being an asshole with that either, look at thuggish ruggish bone then look at it aint hard to tell.
Just saying...

Bone is about as deep in thought as a dried up puddle in the sahara.

wow, if its no talent at all. can you flow like them?

wow, if its no talent at all. can you flow like them?

LMAO Never listened to the amateur shit on myspace have you? There's a million quick rappers and tongue twisters who sound like bone dude.
As for your question I can certainly mimic, I'd be happy to actually rap rather than talk especially with layzie that shit he does is easy.

I went over this already that style flow is a trick using phonetics you structure a verse a certain way it sounds a certain way, doesn't make you a brilliant mc.

Bone thugs are not a talent, same with twista, same with tech.

I don't know any Ray cash though so I really can't comment on that.

Structure doesn't give someone vocal ability, breath control, powerful delivery, adept harmonics, and the articulation to clearly enunciate at such a speed. You need such things as rythm, an ear for music, and the pipes to blow like that... things that are generally considered an inborn physiological talent, or at the very least aquired in the womb and infancy, that can be developed.

Saying -

1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8
9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16

- on beat, in 4/4 measure does not automatucally give someone good flow, a nice sound, and a hot verse.

You keep saying "I can't even understand [Twista or similar rapper]" - that's your fault, not theirs. Old white ladies generally consider rap music "just talking" and "hard to understand" too.

It's simply ignorant to act as if the Micro Machines man and Twista are doing the same thing - or that it's not a step up to go from flowing like Juice to flowing like the youtube "amatuers" in terms of vocal execution.

And what the hell does that mean? "Yeah, cincinnati Toledo and cleveland are so totally in detroit111!"

You were pretending to live in Dteroit in another thread, saying your scene was Royce Esham etc... then you said "I once lived in Akron" in the threads about "wet" to show you know the midwest - you're in Ohio again? Just moved back from Detroit?

WEstcoasT

The East, best there is,was and ever will be especially my Hometown Montreal
But Bless doesn't count cause he's a fuckin cunt who's only Reppin MTL cause it's Hot
Rugged Intellect too he's dope but he's not reppin the home team man that's shitty
Urban Peasants are reppin though but yea point is, East Side current and all time
i throw in different shit from time to time.

You were pretending to live in Dteroit in another thread, saying your scene was Royce Esham etc... then you said "I once lived in Akron" in the threads about "wet" to show you know the midwest - you're in Ohio again? Just moved back from Detroit?

When did I ever say I was from detroit? Akron is in ohio you fucking retard consult a map please.


Ninja seriously you didn't know akron was a part of ohio? Where did I ever say I was from detroit?

Man ... you are stupid. I lived in northern ohio guess what artists we heard? Yeah the ones just across the lakes.
8-)


You know it's sad when people act like that.
I suppose people in southern washington state never gave cali any love ?


Oh no, we lived a few hours away we could have never heard of them!

I said "we" as in the midwest have them yes, but honestly ohio does not have much to brag about.

And please next time you want to start shit just go jack off or something you got tired after the first 20 times.

I realize you have fantasies about bizzy but I don't like bone, I'm not ever going to like bone learn just to live with it.

You aren't cool you aren't someone I'm going to humble myself toward so stop trying to shun me on shit I never implied.

I have never said I lived in michigan, ever.
I lived close to there for a time, I have friends from there but no I do not nor have I ever lived in michigan.

Freestyle? I never said it was a freestyle or for that matter a rap.

That was me talking, not rapping.
Secondly I have heard them, I have heard them live, I have heard them on cd and honestly I think they blow. Stop getting mad I never said you had to agree.

With the talking my point was simply if you structure your bars a certain way that's all it takes to do that style of flow. It's all annunciation, that's it that's all the fuck it is.



And your acknowledging of my one dimension proves that point as that was the only dimension I was discussing.

If you wanna talk lyrics I'd be happy to actually write something with meaning depth punchlines metaphors and shit that actually takes thought since they can't do that either.

I'm not being an asshole with that either, look at thuggish ruggish bone then look at it aint hard to tell.
Just saying...

Bone is about as deep in thought as a dried up puddle in the sahara.

Your one of them nerd heads that has to get all technical and break down there flow and that bullshit, if it sounds dope it is dope, enough said.. but if you don't think bone sounds dope then you belong in the new "you ain't hip hop" thread..

and like many others here, i grew up on bone thugs as well.

Mostly East.

When did I ever say I was from detroit? Akron is in ohio you fucking retard consult a map please.


Ninja seriously you didn't know akron was a part of ohio? Where did I ever say I was from detroit?

Man ... you are stupid. I lived in northern ohio guess what artists we heard? Yeah the ones just across the lakes.
8-)

I have never said I lived in michigan, ever.

You said in one thread that you used to live in Akron in reference to your experience with the midwest, when you got all uppity about "wet" - in a past tense way that made it sound as if you no longer lived there.

AlphaOmega123
for 6 months I lived in akron when I was 13 formaldehyde is referred to as wet. I'm telling you angel dust is pcp embalming fluid is wet.

You later told me in another thread, about TechN9ne, that your music scene was Detroit's and since you live there, you knew more about it than me: Esham, Royce, ICP and all that shit. Why were yopu claiming your music scene to be the next state over's scene?

AlphaOmega123
As for eminem he is a rip off of a scene that you know nothing about don't speak to me on the michigan scene because I am better qualified to speak on the subject than you.
I live hear you don't, simple as that.

Now you're "hometeam" in this thread is Ohio.

I just didn't understand why you were being so vague and inconsistent. At least your font stayed the same this time.

Either the South or the East, the South because of Outkast... honestly, I oughta put "Outkast dick-rider" as my sub-title or something...

LOL, just did...

Your one of them nerd heads that has to get all technical and break down there flow and that bullshit, if it sounds dope it is dope, enough said.. but if you don't think bone sounds dope then you belong in the new "you ain't hip hop" thread..

and like many others here, i grew up on bone thugs as well.
No that doesn't make you a nerd, that makes you someone who can spot a fucking con artist.
It isn't a legit talent.

And fyi since when was hiphop about conformity ?
That's the least hiphop shit you can say.
Have you ever actually heard bone off wax? Go see them live some time and tell me how great they are.

Same thing with tech.

You said in one thread that you used to live in Akron in reference to your experience with the midwest, when you got all uppity about "wet" - in a past tense way that made it sound as if you no longer lived there.

What? I've moved from northern ohio to southern ohio, I never fucking implied michigan you are just retarded.

Please get over yourself.
Stop bickering over such little shit like I insulted your mother or something you whiney homo.



WHAAAAAAA HE DOESNT LIKE WHO I LIKE LET ME WRITE HIM ABOUT IT!!! WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAA

Honestly dude what the fuck ? It's a matter of opinion I know people all over the mother fucking place who can do that style rap.
It doesn't impress me so what is your argument?
"You can't have an opinion different than mine!!!!!"

Who the fuck died and made you the fucking hiphop police you corny cliche white wu fan with a name like that.. mother fuckers like you are a dime a dozen.

Oh I said I liked some Icp let's rag about that!!! Yeah cuz nobody else ever liked them, never mind they sold hundreds of thousands of records I must just be crazy!

lmao
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Oh hell, you want a contrast buy your broke ass some speakers and listen to that, is it great? Fuck no. is it on the level of the original by pac? Again no. Is it decent though? yeah, yeah it is.

I don't call them great but they can tell a detailed story I can picture and I can relate to and more than that they actually rap their shit unlike tech and unlike lazy bone I can understand every mother fucking word of it.

Why? because they aren't so intent on rhyming fast they fuck up the songs content.

Now, the next time you feel like commenting please fucking hop out the highest window you can find.

I'm not going to read past the cap locks. Just...

I have never said I lived in michigan, ever

don't speak to me on the michigan scene

I live hear you don't, simple as that.

I'm not going to read past the cap locks. Just...
But I was right across from it dude, you really don't think we got the same shit?
Oh no a song can't travel over a state line I forgot that huge force of guards between our borders


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v340/xpaperdollx666/bh.jpg

i live hear

That's cool, man.

That's cool, man.
EWWWW I had a typo Let's all cry about that too.

Seriously, go get laid.

Go to Detroit and meet some black people.

Go to Detroit and meet some black people.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v47/mit4r/Groom-Cross/woman-cry.jpg


Yeah like I said you're an idiot.
Cleveland never had black people nooo akron? nooo cincinnati ? Nah

You really never been here have you? lmao
Oh, so the guy from colorado wants to call me out on my whiteness? Just walk away man, just go play whatever games your fat ass plays.
You're about as interesting as a tree stump.

You don't even know where you live, let alone where I've been.

lol at arguing over how many black people you know. Can it get any more pathetic?

I said it to him to bring it out, Hayzoos.

for colorado 2000 resident census population (rank): 4,301,261 (24). Male: 2,165,983 (50.4%); Female: 2,135,278 (49.6%). White: 3,560,005 (82.8%); Black: 165,063 (3.8%); American Indian: 44,241 (1.0%); Asian: 95,213 (2.2%); Other race: 309,931 (7.2%); Two or more races: 122,187 (2.8%); Hispanic/Latino: 735,601 (17.1%). 2000 percent population 18 and over: 74.4; 65 and over: 9.7; median age: 34.3

http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0108189.html



wow a whole 165,000 black people live in colorado... Oh wait I'm sorry killarado


Hardcore... Straight up I mean your population is 1/4 larger than the population of your cattle Gangsta gangsta!

Of course, you calling me out on credibility over the internet says alot....

I don't know where I live yet you don't know what state akron is in? Ninja just stop man you always make an argument where there is none.

And what the fuck does there being black people around have to do with how talented someone is?

i like east coast rap. i dont south rap as much, just a few kats out there, , sum southern tj/ dj are good,

lol @ statistics about black people

Me = resident of Colo for 7 years on and off, Oxford and London for 5 years til age 6, Boston and Newburyport for 2 years, St Louis for 3 years on and off (birthplace), NY for 8 months, Kansas City and Topeka for 3 years, Arkansas for 3 years and I've visited plenty of states and countries.

you = "i live in detroit" "i live in ohio" "i live with my mom"

I don't know where I live yet you don't know what state akron is in? Ninja just stop man you always make an argument where there is none.

And what the fuck does there being black people around have to do with how talented someone is?

I knew where it was... that's why I asked you if you moved back to Ohio from Detroit? Stop being retarded.... why were you pretending to be from Detroit?

Hmm, so when you quote "I am from detroit" and "I live with my mom" where does that come from ? What thread did I say that in?
I don't live in michigan, I never said I did, I moved out when I finished high school in 04.

Yes I lived with my mother as did alot of teenagers but I guess not you because you lived in some place where everyday someone kicked you in the face and life was rugged in your cowboy ranching bullshit richie ass "We have multi-million dollar homes and hate on hispanic people who dig ditches for a small wage" state.
No wonder you like snoop you're a cliche white pop fan pretending to be something.


The word "Here" wasn't used in reference to michigan just the near by area.
You should have figured that out from the other threads saying I was from Ohio.

What the fuck with the akron bit? "Oh I knew, I just didn't think you did because I knew you were lying about your life I don't actually observe or know anything about... yada yada"

Please.. You made an ass out of yourself, just accept it.

You can't call me overly white you live in the whitest place on earth.
Man your state is so white it could be one large ass clan rally with your dumb wigger "I'm into the wu and ninja movies" ass sitting in the middle of it.

It's nice to see they let the mentally handicapped play with computers maybe they can train you to count bars also.

The word "Here" wasn't used in reference to michigan just the near by area.

Yes, but the word "hear" was used to.

R.I.P. Darrent Williams

Structure doesn't give someone vocal ability, breath control, powerful delivery, adept harmonics, and the articulation to clearly enunciate at such a speed. You need such things as rythm, an ear for music, and the pipes to blow like that... things that are generally considered an inborn physiological talent, or at the very least aquired in the womb and infancy, that can be developed.

Saying -

1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8
9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16

- on beat, in 4/4 measure does not automatucally give someone good flow, a nice sound, and a hot verse.

You keep saying "I can't even understand [Twista or similar rapper]" - that's your fault, not theirs. Old white ladies generally consider rap music "just talking" and "hard to understand" too.

It's simply ignorant to act as if the Micro Machines man and Twista are doing the same thing - or that it's not a step up to go from flowing like Juice to flowing like the youtube "amatuers" in terms of vocal execution.
alpha never responded to this? or did he?

this should of shut him up on the real about "FLOW".

Yes, but the word "hear" was used to.

R.I.P. Darrent Williams
Yes yes a typo, my oh my, it certainly hurts to sea that LMAO


As though me using the wrong here/hear somehow is going to throw you off.
You knew what I meant, stop nagging over grammatical bullshit, that isn't going to make bone any less sucky or you any less of a hypocritical wigger.

alpha never responded to this? or did he?

this should of shut him up on the real about "FLOW".


No not really, you see ninja doesn't realize that if you have a structure with certain syllables you can make it so screwing up a bar is very very difficult.

"back em all up and buck em all down
let em all know I'm not fuckin around"
for instance if you say it out loud to your self you'll notice that buck em and fuck em can be sped up to give you a staccato sounding flow. But you'll also notice it is hard to make those not flow in rhythm.


It's a matter of structure.
That's really all it is, how you time certain syllables and where you place certain words.

He is pretending you can write anything to the bar with any number of syllables and it will flow because you have a sense of rhythim and he only thinks that because he himself can't flow in bar form.

He is a nonlinear rhymer.
He can't even end on beat, so of course he has absolutely no idea how to structure something.

His commentary on the subject is no better than a klansman's commentary on black history.

Untrue, Alpha. I used to flow basic, robotic, and repetetive too... it made things so easy, but oh so boring and formulaic. You might be able to find stuff like this shit I did over Who Shot Ya, Keep They Heads Ringin', Simon Says, Hello beats and shit... all sorts of shit from when I first started putting tracks on message boards a long time ago. Or shit like "My Dick"... The rythm was immaculate, but my delivery was lame duck and the rhymes were so limited and basic. Even 3 Oh 3 is about as basic 4/4 as it gets, so is Mighty Healthy and Cosmic Assassion 2, and you can't fuck with my flow on Moonlight Sonota wether or not it's written stanzaically.

Find me 25 songs by dope artists, artists I and most normal people think are dope... where the bars are written in even lengths.

Untrue, Alpha. I used to flow basic, robotic, and repetetive too... it made things so easy, but oh so boring and formulaic. You might be able to find stuff like this shit I did over Who Shot Ya, Keep They Heads Ringin', Simon Says, Hello beats and shit... all sorts of shit from when I first started putting tracks on message boards a long time ago. Or shit like "My Dick"... The rythm was immaculate, but my delivery was lame duck and the rhymes were so limited and basic. Even 3 Oh 3 is about as basic 4/4 as it gets, so is Mighty Healthy and Cosmic Assassion 2, and you can't fuck with my flow on Moonlight Sonota wether or not it's written stanzaically.

Find me 25 songs by dope artists, artists I and most normal people think are dope... where the bars are written in even lengths.
LOL man please... 25 bars? Why not 26 what difference does 25 make? lmao
Here this song with esham and bone I was listening to earlier called pay I'll illustrate my point further.


See1 the2 num3ber4 one5 miss6ion7 be8 to9 get10 this11 cash12
And1 if2 a3 nigga4 fuck5 with6 that7 I'm8 a9 get10 in11 his12 ass13
I1 pull2 the3 trig4ger5, squeeze6, blast7 if8 you9 think10 you11 gon12 last13
Sev1en2teen3 to4 the5 spleen6, you7 a8 thing9 of10 the11 past12
When1 I2 real3ly4 wan5na6 smash7 I8 hit9 the10 stash11 spot12
Put1 the2 nine3 to4 your5 mind6 and7 clean8 your9 cash10 out11
See1 a2 nig3ga4 had5 to6 pay7 me8 if9 he10 ev11er12 owed13 me14
A1 thug2 a3bout4 my5 bus6iness7, I'll8 do9 ya10 ho11mie12
Drink1 the2 O3-E4 and5 tote6 the7 tech8 nine9
I1 don't2 care3 what4 you5 claim6, you7 gon8na9 res10pect11 mine12
Mean1 time2, in3 bet4ween5 time6, on8 the9 E10sham11
Fin1na2 put3 it4 down5 when6 it7 come8 to9 the10 green11 now12
Look1 in2to3 my4 eyes5, tell6 me7 can8 you9 rea10lly11 see12?
Its1 the2 truth3 when4 I5 rap6 cause7 I8 bring9 mine10
Bring1 it2 like3 I4 bring5 it6 cause7 nig8ga9 O10-T11
O1rig2in3al4 Thug5sta6 from7 the8 B9-O10-N11-E12
C1-Town2 to3 the4 D5-Town6 Its7 a8 Mid9west10 thang11
we1 let2 em3 hang4 to5 the6 greez7-ound8 Smok9in10 trees11 by12 the13 P's14-ound15
Blow1ing2 big3 with4 my5 nig6gas7, mu8tha9fuck10as11 wan12na13 be14 down15
But1 I'm2 a3 hit4 ya5 with6 the7 heat8 now9 Cause10 when11 I12 creep13 now14


I mean sure there's the one bar with 9 syllables and the one with 15 but generally it's the same 11-14 syllables with some 2 syllable words sped up.
That's basically all "lil lay hay" does.

Unless you think it's coincidental which I'd find pretty fuckin laughable.
I mean even if you talk about the one short bar
I drink the O-E and tote the tech nine
I don't care what you claim you gona respect mine
Say it out loud how would you fuck it up?
It's just a crutch that's all it is.
He structures it that way so he can keep his lil bullshit rhythm going.

Here's some 2000 era stuff, I can't find the old soundclick page - http://www.rapstation.com/artists/artist.php3?artist_id=17835

I said 25 songs, not bars... I can't read all that 1 to 10 shit.

Your sound click is what I was commenting on earlier I'll check that stuff in a bit I don't wanna bog down the connection right now I'm updating norton. might be awhile lol.
I get dsl here soon though and happy days!

I said 25 songs, not bars... I can't read all that 1 to 10 shit.
Oh shit, well, give me a minute then.... I really don't listen to shit artists like bone that much.

Esham must not have any problems with Bone as artists, unless he just did it for some guest spot money (in which case he's a sell out)... *

Oh shit, well, give me a minute then.... I really don't listen to shit artists like bone that much.

It doesn't have to be Bone... it can be Wu-Tang, Biggie, Pun, or 2 Pac.... anything really. Where the bars in their catalogue are always short and even - which is what gives someone good flow, right?

I'm tellin' you... unless you start takin' it to Run DMC or Too $hort (and the like), you're not goin' to find many MC's who have a consistently short length of bars, and a predictable structure. Flow and structure are too seperate things... you must have some form of structure, yes, or it is freeform spoken word - but it doesn't give you cadence, rythm, or delivery... that's something you either have or you don't. It's something that makes it possible to do a slow flow, or a double time flow despite the 90 rpm, 4/4 measure of the beat.

Here one not from bone that comes to mind
killer mike akshon

This is the name that came to alter the game
Not like these rappers who spit it the same
Separate lames from they chain
My mind don't slack
I'm totally focused on beating up tracks
Monsterous music to beat in your 'Lac
1000 watt amp with woofers in back
Lean to da left if you burning a sac
Baby got back and its in Baby Phat
Pardon me dog 4 chasing the cat
I'm hittin all kittens meowing like that
I like the front but I'm loving the back
I like to bite and I'm hoping she scratch
Escalade dipping I'm holding the lane
Mama's a scholar she blowing my brain
Ain't the the life?
Snapping & Trappin and Rappin & Frappin all night
Lil mama's a plumber she handling pipe
Ill wit a pill she handle it right
Like Iverson, the smallest thing on the team
But the livest one Cocked loaded bust like a gun
Y'all better run, one, one!

Esham must not have any problems with Bone as artists, unless he just did it for some guest spot money (in which case he's a sell out)... *
Yawns I'm not a fan boy, I don't gotta like who the artists I listen to like.

Raekwon's verse on Faster Blade is a perfect example of flow without even metre.

It doesn't have to be Bone... it can be Wu-Tang, Biggie, Pun, or 2 Pac.... anything really. Where the bars in their catalogue are always short and even - which is what gives someone good flow, right?
Who said it was good? bone thugs don't have a good flow. Bone thugs have a shit flow. I don't consider that style flow good.
Rakim has a good flow, del the funky homosapien has a good flow, kool g rap has a good flow but bone thugs have a cheap phonetic trick that makes everything they say sound like the same gibberish especially when they harmonize.

I'm sorry but I don't feel shit like that, I just don't.
Because I know what it is that they're doing, it's like when you realize magic is an illusion same thing.
Sure mother fuckers love them but they still aren't good from a technical perspective they're actually pretty shitty.

Yawns I'm not a fan boy, I don't gotta like who the artists I listen to like.

...but everyone else is wrong except you. Why is it that all of us, even your favorite rapper, apparently has no clue that Bone are absolute garbage and rely on tricks for flow?

Raekwon's verse on Faster Blade is a perfect example of flow without even metre.
I think you've misunderstood my argument,
I don't think staccato flows are good.
I don't like bars that are perfectly even.
I don't think rappers like bone who use that are good, my point with the structuring remarks was that you can structure a bar so the flow absolutely cannot fall off.

You had remarked it was their sense of timing and rhythm that made them flow the way they do, I'm telling you they flow that way because in reality they couldn't end on time without it.
They lack that talent.

...but everyone else is wrong except you. Why is it that all of us, even your favorite rapper, apparently has no clue that Bone are absolute garbage and rely on tricks for flow?

E isn't my favorite but I do have alot of respect for him.
As for your remark I think he's well aware of that trick I've heard him do it before.

that "back em all up and buck em all down" part I mentioned earlier, that's from symptoms of insanity one of his early songs.

I realized when I heard that a long time ago what he did to make that work.
I realize now it isn't a skill I realize that because I can replicate it.
I am just not impressed with that shit...

And you are allowed to disagree with me, just next time let it go if I don't like someone.

That's all I'm saying. I can't like a song based on what you feel towards it.
My tastes aren't like everyone else's that's not a choice I made I am not ostracizing myself for attention I don't think bone is a talent.
You sitting there arguing wont change my view.
I don't choose who I like I just have tastes...

Who said it was good? bone thugs don't have a good flow. Bone thugs have a shit flow. I don't consider that style flow good.
Rakim has a good flow, del the funky homosapien has a good flow, kool g rap has a good flow but bone thugs have a cheap phonetic trick that makes everything they say sound like the same gibberish especially when they harmonize.

I'm sorry but I don't feel shit like that, I just don't.
Because I know what it is that they're doing, it's like when you realize magic is an illusion same thing.
Sure mother fuckers love them but they still aren't good from a technical perspective they're actually pretty shitty.

Del's flow is great, he is also a rapper that completely ignores the metre, and relies on his vocal adaption to melody in his delivery to give his flow a sense of rythm... a start and stop set up, often mid bar, or elsewhere, that creates awareness of scheme and structure that is given rythm through proper vocal emphasis. It's what you would call a trick.

No... you haven't provided any technical back up for what you're saying, your perspective is not technical. The fact you credit it as a technique to employ makes it an example of technical prowess in your own eyes. Yet you ignore this logic trap.

Not even Biggie could do it as well on Notorious Thugs. There are people who can flow like that, and people who can't - it's a talent and a skill. All forms of delivery involve syncopation and alteration of every facet of tempo and enunciation - this by no means makes all styles of delivery and flow less impressive or rythmic.

Bone + high as fuck = broken neck... that only happens when the flow is insane.

Del's flow is great, he is also a rapper that completely ignores the metre, and relies on his vocal adaption to melody in his delivery to give his flow a sense of rythm... a start and stop set up, often mid bar, or elsewhere, that creates awareness of scheme and structure that is given rythm through proper vocal emphasis. It's what you would call a trick.

No... you haven't provided any technical back up for what you're saying, your perspective is not technical. The fact you credit it as a technique to employ makes it an example of technical prowess in your own eyes. Yet you ignore this logic trap.

Not even Biggie could do it as well on Notorious Thugs. There are people who can flow like that, and people who can't - it's a talent and a skill. All forms of delivery involve syncopation and alteration of every facet of tempo and enunciation - this by no means makes all styles of delivery and flow less impressive or rythmic.

Bone + high as fuck = broken neck... that only happens when the flow is insane.

How is my perspective not technical? I sat there and labeled the syllable count it only changed 2-3 syllables the entire verse.
That is pretty fucking technical, and the response you gave was
"well I'm not reading that shit"
I mean that is so hypocritical...
As for bone like I said they do their little syllable trick and nobody with a brain is impressed.

I mean if you honestly believe that the counts are coincidental, then fuck it, you're delusional, I can't help you.

I listen to all....

And you are allowed to disagree with me, just next time let it go if I don't like someone.

That's all I'm saying. I can't like a song based on what you feel towards it.
My tastes aren't like everyone else's that's not a choice I made I am not ostracizing myself for attention I don't think bone is a talent.
You sitting there arguing wont change my view.
I don't choose who I like I just have tastes...

A simple solution to being ostracized, and this is going to be somewhat excessive:

Just shut the fuck up about everybody not knowing what flow is because they're not into Violent J, and acting like your perspective is more technically aware because you listen to Mastadon - as if you hear more syllables, or more rythm, or have a higher education in literature than 99% of hip-hop fans online...

Your opinions are just that - opinions, and they are rarely centered around actual technical reasoning or somewhat reasonable explanations. Half your opinions contradict each other in some way (ex: i like Ice T, I hate Ice Cube... multis are pointless, Big Pun is dope), and it seems to me that you hate music you can't relate to, or that someone else says is better than your faves, moreso than for any technical reasons.

Everyone's got artists they like, regardless of flaws or popular opinion but I doubt you'd get so much shit from everyone if it wasn't for posts like 'oh well, I guess you have like real music to understand' - years from now, all of what you think about music will slowly change and your own obstinance will undo itself when you realize that you're "hatin"... not waxing intellectually.

It's like how you might go through a power chord, death metal phase and say John Lennon is garbage, while commenting on some other groups writing as genius... then go into an acoustic classical phase and say that the electric guitar is blasphemy and a crutch for unskilled guitarists etc. Eventually, you will prove yourself wrong on all accounts and think 'man... I shouldda been listening to this years ago'

You'll see... someday you're going to get some ass at a club and love the Lil Jon - you'll relate to it, you'll feel more in tune with the environment, and all the "superficial" content will suddenly become more real and socially relevant.

How is my perspective not technical? I sat there and labeled the syllable count it only changed 2-3 syllables the entire verse.
That is pretty fucking technical, and the response you gave was
"well I'm not reading that shit"
I mean that is so hypocritical...
As for bone like I said they do their little syllable trick and nobody with a brain is impressed.

I mean if you honestly believe that the counts are coincidental, then fuck it, you're delusional, I can't help you.

It's not technical because you don't provide any facts as to why Bone has bad flow... or how it's a cheap trick. You're saying things that hold no weight - you just keep saying [I see it, you don't]

I said I'm not reading this shit so that you just post verses that are even in length, line for line - plain as day - to make a case for the idea that it gives rappers with no flow a better sense of rythm. You'll find some on textcee boards, but not on ohhla.com where trying to transcribe lyrics in even bars would be completely inconducive to the rythm and the rhyme scheme.

A simple solution to being ostracized, and this is going to be somewhat excessive:

Just shut the fuck up about everybody not knowing what flow is because they're not into Violent J, and acting like your perspective is more technically aware because you listen to Mastadon - as if you hear more syllables, or more rythm, or have a higher education in literature than 99% of hip-hop fans online...

Your opinions are just that - opinions, and they are rarely centered around actual technical reasoning or somewhat reasonable explanations. Half your opinions contradict each other in some way (ex: i like Ice T, I hate Ice Cube... multis are pointless, Big Pun is dope), and it seems to me that you hate music you can't relate to, or that someone else says is better than your faves, moreso than for any technical reasons.

Everyone's got artists they like, regardless of flaws or popular opinion but I doubt you'd get so much shit from everyone if it wasn't for posts like 'oh well, I guess you have like real music to understand' - years from now, all of what you think about music will slowly change and your own obstinance will undo itself when you realize that you're "hatin"... not waxing intellectually.

It's like how you might go through a power chord, death metal phase and say John Lennon is garbage, while commenting on some other groups writing as genius... then go into an acoustic classical phase and say that the electric guitar is blasphemy and a crutch for unskilled guitarists etc. Eventually, you will prove yourself wrong on all accounts and think 'man... I shouldda been listening to this years ago'

You'll see... someday you're going to get some ass at a club and love the Lil Jon - you'll relate to it, you'll feel more in tune with the environment, and all the "superficial" content will suddenly become more real and socially relevant.


I'm sorry but why do you keep bringing up a group I only kind of like?
LOL Mastadon? Since when do I listen to them?

And opinion? What opinion? What opinion is there in a numerical syllable count?

...
I'm sorry but just fuck off.

Telling me to shut up because what I say is unpleasent, it's a fucking message board! who cares!?!?!?!




Whaaa OMG HE INSULTED BONE I THINK IMMA CRY!!!!!

What's next ? Are you going to start a support group for all the people who've fallen victim to contradictory opinions?
I don't care that I'm being ostracized I'm just saying the logic behind it is pitiful.
And your post is a clear example as to why it is pitiful.

"Oh well one day you'll like this even though you hate it now but we'll never like what you like because we hate it now!"


... You really really should think shit through before you speak.

I am not huge on icp but I'm not the one who keeps bringing them up every ten seconds YOU ARE.

And another thing my hypocritical high and mighty my shit don't stink and therefor can't be criticized friend why don't you follow your own advice and not have a panic attack whenever someone doesn't like bone ? just curious??

I don't run out and buy Bone albums... I neither love or hate them, but I don't lie to myself about people's music to justify what I think. It is possible to be aware that a something is good, without actually liking it.

example -

Me: Damn, Pamela Anderson's a dumb bitch... but she's fine as fuck

you: Damn, Pamela Ansderson's a dumb bitch... that means she's ugly

I don't run out and buy Bone albums... I neither love or hate them, but I don't lie to myself about people's music to justify what I think. It is possible to be aware that a something is good, without actually liking it.

example -

Me: Damn, Pamela Anderson's a dumb bitch... but she's fine as fuck

you: Damn, Pamela Ansderson's a dumb bitch... that means she's ugly


... that generalization is the most nonsensical bull shit I've ever heard.
How can you even compare the two? one is written technique the other is a person, those things aren't even a little bit similar.


I'm sorry man but you have to be a dumb mother fucker to pay money just to hear phonetic tricks and mediocore lyrics ...
As for your club scenerio, if lil jon d4l young joc and young jeezy fell off a cliff and died I would praise jesus.

New York.

Brooklyn.

the south and the New York area have the largest presence in my collection