View Full Version : Well Known DJ Disses 50 Cent's Thug Image


Wiz
09-27-2003, 08:30 PM
From www.rapnewsdirect.com

According to the International Recording Industry hip hop is the fastest rising music market. In addition to that the Recording Industry Association of America already ranks hip hop as the second most popular form of music. Given these statistics there is no doubt that hip hop is big a part of American culture. However the thug image is not hip hop. In a recent Internet interview, DJ Lord Ron a respected DJ and producer, discredits the thug image in hip hop.

“Where is the validation in being a hooligan, a gangster, a mugger?..It’z a wack validation because REAL thugs move in silence and any real street person who represents being from the streets respects that code of silence na mean. Now, when I see or hear these artists claiming to be thugs. I see nothing but followers of a trend just for the dollar bill na mean. I even heard the bubble gum group ‘B2k’ use the word ‘Thug’… Do you really think these artists are real thugs?…A person can be anything they want to be in this society and to blame others for your actions of being this thug is straight up wack yo!…America is in love with violence & sex it does sell but there are many other topics that these rappers can write about.”


DJ Lord Ron starts out by saying that real thugs do not go out and boast about the things they do. The real thugs keep it in the street. For a real thug to go on an album and boast about the things they have done would basically serve as a confession and would lead to them going to jail. Lord Ron states that the “thug” image is being followed because it is the current trend; it is what is selling. The people who are buying into the thug image do not realize the motives behind these artists is strictly money.

The consumers buy into the thug image as reality. The people who listen to that music begin to think that it is acceptable to do the things that are being talked about in the songs. Listening to constant talk about violence and drugs does affect people. Here is an example of what these people are listening to. The following lyrics are from one of the more popular rappers Eminem, from his song “Killing” from the Marshall Mathers LP, “You faggots keep eggin me on til I have you at knifepoint, then you beg me to stop? Shut up! Give me your hands and feet I said shut up when I'm talkin to you You hear me? Answer Me? Or I'ma kill you!" This violent excerpt is just one of the many examples from Eminem. Eminem clearly relies on shock value to get attention. Another popular “thug rapper” is 50 Cent, here is the chorus to his hit song “In Da Club”. “You can find me in the club bottle full of bub. Look mami I got the X if you into taking drugs I’m into having sex, I aint into makin love. So come give me a hug if you into getting rubbed.”

This song talks about taking drugs and having sex as everyday things. Kids are going around singing this chorus as casually as if they were singing the alphabet. 50 Cent is what is wrong with hip hop today, almost like a microcosm of what's wrong with what the general public see as hip hop today. 50 Cent started off as a reasonably talented lyricist. Then he got shot. This provided the media with a marketing spark and had him touted as the next Tupac. Now it is almost impossible to watch music television without seeing 50 Cent promoted in some way.


Rappers such as Eminem and 50 Cent have taken a firm control over mainstream hip hop. However, some hip hop artists are doing what they can to make a positive difference.

One example is the group Blackalicious, which consists of members Gift of Gab and Chief Excel. Gift of Gab addresses the thug scene in the following excerpt from the song “Shallow Days”. “But music does reflect life and kids look up to what you’re portraying and mimic what you act like. Its time for a new day an era in rap, conscious styles, makin’ them aware of the happenings but their ears seem more steered towards self-annihilation so then they might laugh and write this off, like I’m out here just blowing wind, maybe label us soft or unreal, something they can’t feel, while they keep yelling murder murder murder, kill kill kill.” The Gift of Gab starts out by trying to reach the thug rappers and make them realize that kids look up to them and mimic the things they do. He wants to start a new era in rap with socially conscious lyrics. However, he knows what is going to happen, he is going to be written off and the people will continue on with their ways. To the mainstream audience the message of positivity is thrown into the “soft” category. The mainstream audience labels music with positive messages as not “real” when in fact the thug image is what is not real.

A big part of the thug image problem is the media such as MTV, BET and the radio. The media is a money-making business and decides what is to be popular and who the next superstar artist will be. The media outlets essentially spoon-feed society what to listen to, this in turn shapes the product they are selling. If the media only plays songs and videos with thugs and gangsters then the new artists coming up will conform to these standards so that they can make it in the business. An artist that is struggling to survive day by day will naturally get desperate. In this desperation the artist will do anything for that recording contract which will end his struggles. In the quest for the recording contract the artist will conform his talents to what is popular so that he may be popular. This in turn leads to an influx of thug and gangster copycats. The solution to this cycle is in the power of the fan. The radio and television stations need a wake up call. The reason the stations keep playing the same thug music is because they keep getting bombarded by requests from kids. The fans of good music and people who care about the youth must call in to their radio and television stations and demand quality music. If enough people call in the media will listen. The only problem with this solution is that a campaign must be made in order to really pull it off. Although it will take lots of organization a successful campaign is possible. In the words of the famous social scientist Margaret Mead, “Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has.”


The media helps shape the hip hop artist but the individual artist still holds some responsibility for the current state of hip hop. The mainstream artist has been using the same thug cliché for several years. The repeated use of this formula has cut off the creativity that once drove the hip hop culture. Hip hop had always been about trying new things before other people could think of it. Hip hop emphasized creativity. Now as long as this formula is selling nobody is going to change. Furthermore, hip hop is losing soldiers. The pressure for the real hip hop artist to sell out to the masses has never been higher. To illustrate this point is Krs One; a hip hop pioneer. Krs One was one of the most respected true hip hop artists and several of his albums are considered by true hip hop fans as classics. However he lost a lot of respect after working with mainstream artists such as Puff Daddy. In an interview with ThaFormula.com, Krs One was asked about his change of style that started in 1996, Krs responded with, “I have to compete; this is the whole real issue. I may not be able to continue my legacy as a classic Hip hop record maker. It’s like, either I get with the Neptunes and let them produce a hit LP for me or… I don’t know… I am not being supported.” Krs One fell victim to the commercialization of hip hop by tailoring his style to appeal to the masses. The reason for Krs One changing his style is money. Krs One noticed that the less talented mainstream artists were making a lot more money and he sacrificed his music to get a piece of that pie. This has happened to other artists as well and most have been unsuccessful in crossing over to the mainstream. The mainstream artists hold the biggest responsibility. What we need for them to do is to make revolutionary changes using the power they wield with their popularity, but as long as the money is being raked in it is doubtful this will happen. What needs to happen is to get more grassroots artists and organizations striving towards creativity instead of record sales. The way for this to happen is to support these artists. One way to support them is to simply spread the word about them. These artists do not get media attention therefore it is up to the people to let the other people know. Another step to support these artists is to stop downloading their songs off the Internet. These artists need the record sales more than a platinum selling artist does. Although the Internet allows these artists to gain exposure, they also need to be supported financially by people buying the albums. The financial desperation of some of these artists often leads them to adopting a thug image to attain record sales.

Wiz
09-27-2003, 08:31 PM
There is no doubt that America’s infatuation with sex and violence is also to blame for thug glorification. The reason this image is being sold is because there is a big market for it. As long as something is not illegal Corporate America will supply it. Society as a whole has gotten used to this. In a recent survey people were asked if they were offended by rap music, 70% of the people were not offended. Society has been numbed and for the most part is not easily offended, but another reason they are not offended is because they do not know the history of the hip hop culture. If all the people surveyed knew the foundation of hip hop they would be repulsed by what is happening to it. The people who are going out and purchasing these multi-platinum thug artists’ albums must learn about the history of the culture. Once the people know the foundation of hip hop they will come to realize that what they had been purchasing is not quality music. The change must start with the people we need to decide how we want to be represented in the media.. Corporate America will continue to do anything in their power to make as much money as possible. The mainstream artists will continue to conform to what corporate America wants them to do. It is the people that must say that they have had enough. This is not just going to happen on its own it is going to take a movement. There are several ways to get involved and the people can start by visiting the forum at Anti-Thug.com. Here the people will find a medium with which to discuss the issues that lie within the mainstream media. This will allow the people to develop their foundation. In the words of DJ Lord Ron, “I know my foundation, people, do you know yours?”

Dj Quik
09-28-2003, 11:45 AM
good job 50 cent is a fag that needs a kick in the ass

Beamxcell
09-28-2003, 12:54 PM
^^^agreed....i swear dis nigga got tha same mind set as me.....haha....ya but i agree 50 remedial....its on

Wiz
09-28-2003, 01:24 PM
i like 50's music, but i still know when someone is constantly tryin to prove how gangsta they are

StyleZ
09-29-2003, 10:10 PM
50 is overrated...

ThizZuG
09-30-2003, 04:12 AM
^^ yap he needs a good kick in the ass

Archaic
10-01-2003, 01:57 PM
wow..

RITAX
10-02-2003, 09:11 AM
He needs to get shot again

Wiz
10-02-2003, 03:40 PM
ya'll peeps is HARSH

RITAX
10-02-2003, 06:41 PM
He stereotypes black men in a time that people get informed of the ghetto reality via hip hop and come together in the dance floor because of it.

Dj Quik
10-05-2003, 11:30 PM
Originally posted by Wiz
ya'll peeps is HARSH


so what if were harsh fuck him hesa bitch thats ruing rap.

Why the fuck did dre have to accept ems offer?

FLiPMaZiN
10-06-2003, 07:40 AM
for money

Wiz
10-06-2003, 01:19 PM
hey, dj, he accepted it cuz he knew he would make money, and when u think about it, thats all dat matters

ThizZuG
10-07-2003, 07:54 AM
yap ^problem wit todays shit

Morbid Malice
10-08-2003, 03:42 PM
You must be out your mind. 50 doesn't have to prove he's gangsta. I see a lot of hating but it's okay you can hate on him. He's still gonna sell records ya heard me.

chicabonita0603
10-08-2003, 10:20 PM
lol i think he's a little full of himself since all dat plastic surgery

ryaneminem
10-16-2003, 11:11 PM
Y'all crazy, y'all hate to much on 50, why don't you just congradulate, and move on cuz there's gonna be more rapper's who pretend, and are not. Hey hate Nelly cuz he make fun music instead of thug music that he lived.

The Philosopher
10-16-2003, 11:13 PM
i would enjoying watching 50 get his ass kicked lyrically and physically.

RITAX
10-17-2003, 11:47 AM
Originally posted by ryaneminem
Y'all crazy, y'all hate to much on 50, why don't you just congradulate, and move on cuz there's gonna be more rapper's who pretend, and are not. Hey hate Nelly cuz he make fun music instead of thug music that he lived.

You think Nelly is more pop than 50? Is only thugging shitts that project people live, and how do you know what Nelly has lived ? Check on the

www.rollingstone.com the interview he has given on the reasons of his popularity and you wil understand that he consiously promotes himself, doesn't do merely self-reflective music.

Wiz
10-17-2003, 12:17 PM
actually, Nelly is more pop than 50

RITAX
10-17-2003, 12:53 PM
Actually both are equally pop its just that they sell themseves differently . Can you find substantial differences between 'hot in here' and ' in da club' ? 50 sells street rawness and hardness whereas Nelly sells hedonism and playboy attitude.

pop= capitalising on the fascination of far-away-from-ghettos kids with urban lifestyle.

Wiz
10-17-2003, 12:57 PM
yea, but Nelly has other Pop songs, where as 50 doesn't, but i like both of them

RITAX
10-17-2003, 01:15 PM
Nelly has been around a little bit more consequently he has produced more pop songs but has 50 been approaching the mainstream crowd with less profiteering mood and more quality tracks than Nelly? nope. PIMP AND WANKSTA WERE ANTI-POP SONGS ?

Wiz
10-17-2003, 01:17 PM
wanksta wasn't pop, and pimp wasn't pop

RITAX
10-17-2003, 01:19 PM
WHAT WERE THEY THEN ?

RITAX
10-17-2003, 01:25 PM
TELL ME SOMETHING WIZ .....WHEN THE MAJORITY OF TEENS ARE LISTENING TO RAP BECAUSE THEY ARE ATTRACTED TO THE HARDNESS-HEDONISM-BAD ATTITUDE-ANTI-AUTHORITY IMAGE AND LIFESTYLE OF GANGSTA RAPPERS FOR THE LAST 10 YEARS HOW DO YOU DISTINQUISH BETWEEBN RAPPERS WHO SPEAK FOR THEIR LIFE EXPERIENCES AND RAPPERS WHO GIVE TO THIS CROWD WHAT IT WANTS?

Wiz
10-17-2003, 02:29 PM
u know wat, i don't listen to rap cuz its about hardness or parties, i listen to the beat, and if the lyrics are hot, but the content is only important to me if its tryin to say somethin like "One Mic" or some other songs where the rappers try to say somthin, so the point is, Nelly and 50 Cent both just rap.....they rhyme, they do nuttin more,

RITAX
10-17-2003, 03:02 PM
ok wiz, maybe i was too know-it-all ,

i really can not speak on why young people like rap in particular gangsta rap. But i see on web forums teens mostly males praising and getting excited with their thuggish attitudes and identifying with them without never discussing on their lyrics but their success, sales, women stories. For example........

www.rapdirt.com/article6241.htmlhttp://

Wiz
10-17-2003, 05:13 PM
yea, i know wat u talkin about, but u just gotta ignore them, cuz if they gangsta rap sells and u can't change wat they think....unfortinately

dejavu
10-24-2003, 02:04 PM
I disagree with you wizz on the rap statement... Nelly and 50 Cent are products of marketing. 50 Cent is "repping" Queens like its the Bronx, and its not. There are bad areas, but no place a person should fear to walk. Nelly isn't even worth time on a keyboard.

But, I don't exactly agree with Lord Ron either. "Gangsta" rap isn't a result of mainstream rap, just look at Big L (RIP). He had more of a gangster apeal than most, and he never made it to TV. The gangster side doesn't bother me too much, because aside from Common and a few others, you won't find an emcee that doesn't make a comment that has to do with the violence every once and a while.

just my 2 cents


Down to the root of it, to me, it comes down to lyricism. Muscial preferences are someones opinion, but saying MF Doom is a better lyricist than Nelly is a FACT.

RITAX
10-24-2003, 04:53 PM
Originally posted by dejavu
look at Big L (RIP). He had more of a gangster apeal than most, and he never made it to TV. Appeal to who?

The gangster side doesn't bother me too much, because aside from Common and a few others, you won't find an emcee that doesn't make a comment that has to do with the violence every once and a while. So every rapper does it so everybody should get used to it caused its happening once and a while? Violence refference has become once and a while issue for promotion?

I will give you my 2 cents from all the rappers the labels have decided to be promoting the dumbest , out of racism.........Labels searching for desperate, castrated, self-hating, cynical black rappers that certify all the years-before stereotypes about black men..

just my 2 cents


Down to the root of it, to me, it comes down to lyricism. Muscial preferences are someones opinion, but saying MF Doom is a better lyricist than Nelly is a FACT.

Multiplaxed,
10-30-2003, 02:26 AM
even heard the bubble gum group ‘B2k’ use the word ‘Thug’…

Hmm.. heard that.

dejavu
11-05-2003, 08:48 PM
Im not talking about racism and stereotypes, I'm talking about real artists using violent refferences... I agree 100% that violent, "gangster" lyrics are often a tool used to promote a mainstream rapper... But many good artists have violent refferences, simply because they sound sick, or they can hook it to a meta... I never said that they promote it Examples:
Canibus:
I roll in a costume, impromtu, just to rock you... put the NOZZLE to your eyeball and tell you what not to do

Copywrite:
I sqweeze clips at each click... to see how they deal with heat when I put em under arms like speed stick

Big L:
Then his brains blast out, his ass out, then I dashed out... into the streets covered in blood, Imma about to pass out

JMT:
Fuck the head im aimin straight for your esophagus (SP?)... hang you on a hook and drink the blood ya body drips

Karnage
11-11-2003, 01:43 PM
Ok..this DJ Lord whatever is partially right. First off he's using Eminem lyrics from THREE YEARS AGO and saying that he's exploiting a Thug Image. First if he listens to Em's latest songs..like last years "Soldier" and also this years "One Day At A Time" and his verse on Obie Trice's "Outro" he'll hear Em constantly saying "HE ISNT' A THUG..HE ISN'T GANGSTA". Also "SHOCK VALUE" another thing that people associate with Eminem from THREE YEARS AGO. Em hasn't done a stunt to get record sales or said overly-violent lines since 2000..he sells because he has international acknowledgement and his lyrical talent surpasses a good 95% of the mainstream and UNDERGROUND(Yes) lyricists.

50 Cent...yes he isn't an amazing lyricist and at times he does exploiting his Thug Image and reverberates the same "I'll-pop-ya/I'll-drop-ya" lines. However, 50 does have SOME depth in his lyrics..."Many Men"..alot of his freestyles..even "Ooh(REMIX)".

JDS420
11-28-2003, 01:33 AM
So what if he raps bout bein a thug, maybe he used to be, ya know rappins bout what you do and did, prolly doesnt have to do the shit he used to do cuz now hes got rap tours to do, bucks to spend, peeps to meet, prolly hangs out and chills like most of us get to do instead of havin fuckin survive in the hood, and do shit that he didnt want to do, but I dont know if hes really all like but he might have been so dont judge noone ya dont know, maybe some rappers do fake the thug image to get money but ya cant ever kno, so stop judgin and work on your shit so you can be better than him and show that ya dont gotta be violent to sell ya just gotta have ill shit and a nice beat to bob your head to so keep it real guys c'mon

shadyslady
01-15-2004, 05:12 PM
i agree with karnage...

Uzi-Man
01-15-2004, 05:23 PM
yo karnage said "he sells because he has international acknowledgement and his lyrical talent surpasses a good 95% of the mainstream and UNDERGROUND(Yes) lyricists." u missed out a reason why he does so well... he's white

D-Illar-1
01-15-2004, 05:24 PM
Karnage has a serious point.

Death Bed
01-18-2004, 03:55 PM
Uzi-man he doesnt sell because he's white...why isn't Slug fucking famous?he's tight..and white...um...he isnt skilled at rhymes or humor really just story telling..smh...wake up it ain't like that here this isn't the 70's..

Wiz
01-18-2004, 04:07 PM
actually with Eminem, he does sell cuz he's white......sure he has skillz, but him being white has a lot to do with it, at least when he first started......also, and the fact cuz hes crazy

mista
04-08-2004, 06:38 PM
50 is a punksat its like this, he may have been a gangsta back in tha day but now he just talks about high crime ya know like casino's n shiat. so he is keepin his mouth shut bout street gangstaism but he's frontin bout so many thangs. its ok to talk bout stuff you may have dun way back when if its makin a point like say how hard the streets was or if yu regret it but what 50 is doin is tryin to act ruff when them days is in the past. honestly does a real gangsta pack a pimp cane?, does a real gangsta go to a shooting range?, does getting shot somehow make u a G?- and if so does that make kennedy a G too?, and is being a G really only about sighning deals with reebok?
when you think about he's just a product placement sell out punk who packs a gun to attempt to keep a rep

yeah anyways im not haytn on 50's success but i am sayin that hes ruining the credible gangsta rappers careers. the last of the real deal rappers are chillin underground or chillin in a casket rip, 40 to tha curb,and all of that. most of the other rappers in the mainstream is just swingin of the nutz of the corprate conglomerates running america. i say most cuz there are the few that keep it real.


fuck wanna be 12 and laminem too, eminem for ruining the rep of any cocasian rapper in the world and makin all of dem refered to as the next him. d 12 because they all smoke pole and take it up the ass besides the only one in that group that was any good is proof.

thats my opinion you can hate on me all you want its not my fault youwannahoe
punk assed bitch

mista
04-08-2004, 06:46 PM
actually with Eminem, he does sell cuz he's white......sure he has skillz, but him being white has a lot to do with it, at least when he first started......also, and the fact cuz hes crazy

true he had crazy lyrics when he started but now he dont rap with tha siccness no more. i just think your ethnicity should have nothin to with your image im cool if u have respect for him. we all got opinions on whatever and im just sharin mine, alot of folks choose to hate esham and icp
and datz cool as long as i dont get a million people tellin me im a fag cuz i refuse to listen to eminem. no respect lost locc.

well at least on my end

versestyle
05-17-2004, 02:25 PM
what I say about both


G-UNIT
look 50 i know them nine shots is what made you famous/
but these next nine shots is gonna make you brainless/
so when you see me betta duck cuz imma let off anotha 9 shots/
you pussy, bein hit makes you a victim, that dont make you pac/
you cant rap, curtis jackson, scared of me now he gotta bulletproof hat/
fuck that, fuck game,fuck banks, fuck buc,fuck g-unit and aftermath/
im bouts to kill you as many times you lie,and god closin the gate/
cuz yah got more stories than the world trade and empire state/
nwa wannabees/ ice cube said he tired of yah bitches gimmickin/
enterainers, thats it, but imma send yah back like illegal citizens/
you gots banks tryin battle me while ima have the gun to a face/
you only talk shit cuz thats all you think and thats all you taste/
fuck 50-versestyle

Paul Robinson
05-18-2004, 06:57 AM
^^ shit that was awesome...why don't you send it off an try getting a record deal or see how many times you get fucked over

MCD
05-18-2004, 07:02 PM
^^lmao...hello Harris you inseminated cauldron bogey:D

Łïčĸ¦«»¦Łïčĸ
06-05-2004, 06:29 PM
....fake thugs....smh.... poor fifty....

LiGht13
06-16-2004, 03:11 PM
just my opinion on 50 and other corporate "gangstas", it just seems too ez to sell the image of being a thug when your behind countless bodyguards, a glass booth and a mic... yah, there are some true ganstas out there cuttin' records, but they seem very few and far between..

I got nothing wrong with any artist out there doing what they gotta do to get some paper, but damn its strange seeing alotta them like athletes with clothing lines and other endorsements...