I still love eminem but I really don't like his new style anymore. I like the days of destroying everything and everyone, now he's an emotional rapper.

The days of the slim shady LP and hell even infinite are dead :(

what yo think

It was good entertainment.

His skills are gradually going downhill...I'd say he's got another good album in him at least though.

i wouldnt go as far as to say his skills are going down hill, but his subject matter is changing, he is deffinently one the all time best rappers, and one of the most influential also

I think his best days are def. behind him.

yeah i hate his new style - thats not to say his lyrical ability is declining - it's just he seems to want to appeal to little kids nowadays

one word - MONEY

maybe one day he'll see the light.

No!!!!! His best days aren't behind him.

I agree with the first post... now-a-days he just raps about funny things and about his mom... its all just coz of his label wantin him to keep increasing sales.
Since SSLP, his music has gotten more and more pop.

^^ true

but i think he has still got another 2 or max of 3 decent albums left in him.....

Yeah there's still more to come from Em

^ ya.. his skills aren't going downhill.. its the style thats changing.. its not the big "fuck you" mentality as much.
im sure hell come out with 2 more albums then hell be done.

i think yous are all dumb...his best days are ahead of him...your gonna say the eminem show and the 8mile soundtrack wasnt his best stuff...your crazy

Skeez ur right these people are stupid.

If you liked eminem for his first and second albums then u only liked him for his hype.

He's not rapping anymore to appeal to little kids u muts be out yo mind. His lyrical skillz have turly evolved, from senseless, pill popping fun lyrics, SSLP, to just diss everyone fuck everyone lyrics, MMLP, his Em Show album is more "real" as u may say, its more deep, that shit is tyte and its no longer aimed at mainstream white people who are the sole reason why he sold so many albums of MMLP now he's goin more gangsta real shit and more ghetto peeps start to feel some of his shit plus this underground Ja Rule shit is going down he's definitely getting his stripes... And if he dont appeal to his white people then he wont sell (as much) but fukkit i see him evolving and maturing lyrically and as a person

Na, hasnt lost anything. Compare his older verses like off 'Just Dont Give A Fuck', or 'Murder, Murder' to is verse off 'Patiently Waitin'. It looks to me like he got better.

Adema suck

well i like the shit off the infinate cd way better then any thing else, every time an new cd comes out its seems to be more main streem, hes loosin his ghetto look and turnin into an actor, but who knows what the future has in store, his next lp could kik some wicked ass shit.

his skill hasn't got any worse but he's just a lot more umm, serious now i guess. I agree wit you dirtybird, who knows wats next but it's probably all fo the cash now.

eminem is still lyrically like that. have youll heard the new green latern cd? he was like that on the mutherfucker

and hes so bad sellin out, gettin all up on brittney spears for her havina movie n a vidoe game, now look at him one of each. he's runnin out of ideas, gittin desperate talkin bout puttin that thing bout mariah on tha new shit, but it could be some what humorus.

eminem is said to come out w/ one more album then he's leavin the biz...my fav was MMLP..his first two cds were kinda a fuck you to the world and then in the eminem show he was showing the world his real skills hint the name.

i reckon he has changed a lot since wen he started out but hes been just as good in different ways. i think theres still plenty of good to come from him yet

dead na just sleeping that kinda style dont die

i think ya he is th e best

i love all of his stuff! i think he has more than one side to him and he is very sweet to do songs wiv his daughter, theres more to come from him so dont worry u neva know what he;s gonna do next =)

^But you would think that wouldnt you.

And an answer to this question in one word would be yes.

all of u must b out of ur minds,ems evolved as a rapper and as a person like sum1 sed,his shit is gettin betta if anythin! how can u say eminem is "pop rap" after tracks like "lose urself" and "patiently waitin"???and how can u say em wants 2 appeal 2 teenagers wen he calls them "teenie boppers" u dont no wot ur fuckin tlkin about. o yea and listen 2 da 8 mile soundtrack 2...pop rap?i dotn think so. em can make as many albums as he wants,hes 1 of those rappers that no 1 will get tired of and they can keep makin shit til they decide not to;hes neva gonna get wack hes the best rapper of all time,hes definetly infulenced a lot and shocked a lot of ppl!

fuck u all if u dount em and his music!
jas a fag hes tha 1 do the fuckin pop rap.
em will keep up his "i dont giv a fuck image" and show u bitches who sed shit bout him that he really doesnt.

o yea remember theres 3 basic sides 2 em and they all kinda hav different opinions and personalitys if u get me.
theres shady,eminem and marshall but there all part of him!
u really dont no wot hes gonna do next,he always gets the reactions he wants.
p.s fuck u lisa 16 u stick up bitch

o yea 1 more thing em aint in it 4 the money,he wants 2 rap he dont wana b sum pimp wiv bling bling it just aint em.he keeps it real and apprieates wot he has.ive even heard him say "the money is good,but if i wanted to do it just 4 the money i wudnt try so hard wud i?"

greatest of all time my arse, just pure and simple he isn't. e has got skills put you don't have to be on his nuts, even he wouldn't call himself the greatest of all time.

Originally posted by shadyslady
p.s fuck u lisa 16 u stick up bitch

What in God's name is a stick up bitch? :rolleyes:

You're a joke, like I said before, grow a dick and call yourself Stan.

funk em- its my opinion ok?yeh i no cos hes modest so fuck off!!
lisa 16-i meant stuck up!i aint a joke u r bitch isnt it obvious wot i meant?shut up bout that stan shit 2,i just luv em and im sorry if u faggots cant deal wiv that!

I love him in every kind of way... he is still my one and only best and biggest idol:D

Hmmm...

If you think his best shit was on Infinite, you're stupid. If you think he was best on the Slim Shady LP, you're probably on crack.

If you think he's at the top of his lyrical game now, I pity you. It depends when the leaked tracks on "Straight From the Lab" were recorded. If they're recent, then Em's best days are definitely behind him. He's running out of ideas and his style has changed for the worse.

It all stopped w/ "without me" which was prolly the wackest track hes ever done. ever since then its all ben downhill in my opinion.

WHOA.."Fo Sho" are u seriously saying that...saying that "Without Me" is his wackest track. Since it sounded "Pop"-like then it's wack. Son..that shows what kind of hip hop head anyone is who says that "Without Me" is whack...that shit was the "most lyrical and commercially accepted song of all time". I'm not saying it's the most lyrical..but it's the most lyrical for a song that was that successful(#1 on Billboards for 4 straight weeks, in top 3 for 10 straight weeks, top 5 for 11 straight weeks). Listen to the flow..see how nigga sped it up, switched topics at the blink of an eye. Also..the most important thing.. LISTEN TO THE LYRICS. Son said.."Just give me the signal, I'll be there with a whole list full of new insults/I've been dope/Suspensful with a Pencil/EVER SINCE PRINCE TURNED HIMSELF INTO A SYMBOL". And..the wordplay.."Some times the shit just seems everybody just wants to DISCUSS me/So this must mean I'm DISGUSTING(DISCUSS)"...and just brutally honest.."Infesting/In ya kids' ears and nesting".

Enough of that..but "EMINEM'S BEST DAYS ARE BEHIND HIM"? Nah..cause to be a true ARTIST(no just lyricist) you must mature(not get softer, but mature)..look at Jay-Z...from his just rapid-fire, topic-switching, non-conceptual "Reasonable Doubt" to his most cohesively made album ever.."The Black Album" u hear growth. Now Eminem's flow changes from now and then nowadays...if u heard his freestyle on "G-Unit Radio PT. 5" u know the nigga still got that rapid fire flow...and he challenges his listener to make their own decision as he says "Do I do it in vain, or simply to entertain?/Am I being real, or, am I being fake. Am I just a fraud-or, am I truly gen-u-ine!". That's more mature and artistically incredible than his ill but concept-less lyrics like.."Don't make sense, like DYKES USING DILDOS", "Fuck a chorus, my metaphors are so complicated it'll take 6 minutes to get applause/And by the time u all catch on..I'mma 'end ya career' and 'walk away with the floor' so u have 'nothing to fall back on".

Eminem's greatest song is "8 Mile"...seriously, he weaves to stories so brilliantly it seems like the life of one..that's true art. He paints a picture in this 6-Minute journey through life's tribulations. And he gives a back story to HIS BACK STORY in that song. So in 6 Minutes he does everything a 30-Minutes show would do for a character.

I'm also alittle disappointed in Em at times. Like his verse in D-12's new "My Band" could be his wackest verse of all-time..don't really like his flow, or the lyrics. Em's next album is gonna be ill, cause he was 10 songs deep(10 songs he says he wrote in only 2 months)...so he scrapped them cause of leaking and illegal downloading..so he's going back and recreating the shit...line by line..Eminem will stop rappping when he's 37 or 38 so I say he got 2 or 3 more good albums.

Karnage i seem to agree with alot you say...
the last point i also agree with,em could have done so much better,first single he should've made it stronger,we all know he's much more capable.I think his flow's good but for sure it aint his best.I hope he's got more albums in him and it's fucked that he's had to recreate everything,feel bad for him,if i was him i'd be pissed as hell the tracks had leaked.
8 mile is one of his best songs for the reasons you stated.The lyrics in that song are amazing and so meaningful.He uses his skills incredibly well in that song and it's also one of those songs that make you stop and think.
And for eminem's best days behind him?Na don't think so,too much yet to come from him,he's gonna keep growing as an artist and if it's possible to have skills any better he'll improve them too.He'll make more serious songs with serious,meanigful,thought provocing messages but he'll still make some funny songs that cuss and take the piss out of people.

OH and everyone, i apoligise for a few of my dumb posts,i read them back and laughed,i fell ashamed i said that shit.I sounded stupid and like some groupie...i'm not going back to that.

Enough of that..but "EMINEM'S BEST DAYS ARE BEHIND HIM"? Nah..cause to be a true ARTIST(no just lyricist) you must mature(not get softer, but mature)
No, that's simply natural. People reach thirty, have a mid-life crisis, and suddenly become more "mature". He was making songs with serious, "mature" messages when he was... 21 (Never 2 Far & It's OK), and scenario depiction of the aforestated to boot (Maxine & Jealousy Woes II). The only thing that's changed is probably his hormone level, and hence, his outlook and mindset. And I can't really blame him, seeing as I'll probably fall to the same snare...

And I've heard people dub things as "true" too often. On the metal scene, everyone calls Darkthrone "true", because their music reflects certain ideals, ideologies, has less than two decent riffs a song, and utterly shitty production which is excused as being "raw". Darkthrone are the epitome of glorified tedium. Their songs all sound identical and haphazard.

I suppose it's the equivalent of backpackers thinking all mainstream artists are mediocre, that saturating your rhymes with punchlines is the only way to have skill and that El-P is remotely good. Their opinions of what is "tr00" are no more valid than those of 11 year old girls who have only heard of 50 Cent and hail him to be the second best rapper of all time, next to Tupac.

..look at Jay-Z...from his just rapid-fire, topic-switching, non-conceptual "Reasonable Doubt" to his most cohesively made album ever.."The Black Album" u hear growth.
But cohesiveness and uniform coherence don't necessarily make an album "better". Some people feel that sporadicism keeps them on their toes, so to speak, which maximises the impact of the album, whereas some feel it's a sign of inconsistency. It's down to preference.

Now Eminem's flow changes from now and then nowadays...if u heard his freestyle on "G-Unit Radio PT. 5" u know the nigga still got that rapid fire flow
Y'know, everyone likes that freestyle apart from me. The way he forced those rhymes with the 'slack-jawed yokel' accent was annoying as fuck. But I will agree, it possessed vigor.

I just wish he'd make a Biterphobia paced track again. Which he won't...

...and he challenges his listener to make their own decision as he says "Do I do it in vain, or simply to entertain?/Am I being real, or, am I being fake. Am I just a fraud-or, am I truly gen-u-ine!". That's more mature and artistically incredible than his ill but concept-less lyrics like.."Don't make sense, like DYKES USING DILDOS", "Fuck a chorus, my metaphors are so complicated it'll take 6 minutes to get applause/And by the time u all catch on..I'mma 'end ya career' and 'walk away with the floor' so u have 'nothing to fall back on".
No... not really. Those lines murder that line in terms of technicality, humor and general listenability. Questioning your validity (which is extremely subjective) three times using synonymous parsings that don't even rhyme is hardly a show of ability as an artist, nor mature in theme. "Any Man" was an ill song lyrically, but had an abtract, inconsistent theme. It was more solid than "Still Don't Give a Fuck" (which sucked), and quirkier, which in my view makes it a great song on average.

Eminem's greatest song is "8 Mile"
I'd say it was definitely one of his best. I'm personally torn between it, "Lose Yourself, Sing for the Moment, As the World Turns, Kim, Quitter/Hit 'Em Up" and "White America".

...seriously, he weaves to stories so brilliantly it seems like the life of one..that's true art. He paints a picture in this 6-Minute journey through life's tribulations. And he gives a back story to HIS BACK STORY in that song. So in 6 Minutes he does everything a 30-Minutes show would do for a character.
Yep.

I'm also alittle disappointed in Em at times. Like his verse in D-12's new "My Band" could be his wackest verse of all-time..don't really like his flow, or the lyrics.
Ditto.

Em's next album is gonna be ill, cause he was 10 songs deep(10 songs he says he wrote in only 2 months)...so he scrapped them cause of leaking and illegal downloading..so he's going back and recreating the shit...line by line..Eminem will stop rappping when he's 37 or 38 so I say he got 2 or 3 more good albums.
It's also apparently going to be his last album, so I doubt he'll be rapping at all after that, except possibly featuring on someone else's song. I doubt it'll be on the calibre of his mid-career material, which was positively inspired in comparison to his recent stuff, but it will be a good listen.

He's going for the easy money by producing, i think he's trying to have a cool attitude like dre

The only wack song he put out really was that Bully track which wasnt even supposed to be released. If you count the D12 Devils Night album, that shit was wack to. But other than that hes pretty much consistantly dope as fuck, except for those corny ass MTV singles he puts out for everyone of his album that make me embarassed to blast any of his other dope shit in my car(Hi Mynameis, realslimshady, withoutme). And even they were dope lyrically. Fuck all you INFINITE fans - ya the albums dope but you all think your somehow special because you have an underground LP that most people dont have.

People change.. I don't see what's the big of deal that Eminem changed his style.. if you're better than him to complain about him, why don't you try to be on tv just for once and to be famous? It obviously isn't easy for Eminem as well!! If you don't like him, shut up! Simple as that!!!

I agree wit Karnage, dude's only gonna get better with experience. & "goin 4 the easy money by producing"?? No I.D taught Kanye how 2 make beats, & he's the hottest out right now, & eminem will surely fill dre's boots as one of the best producers too. He's far from that yet, but tracks like 'renegade', 'runnin' & 'moment of clarity' are showing definite talent & promise. Changing up his style as he's done in the past 8 years only shows how he has developed as an artist. don't like it, don't listen.






"If Lyrics Sold / Then Truth Be Told, I'd Prolly Be / Just As Rich & Famous As Jay-Z"

yeh eminem hasnt changed, he's jus matured and started to make tracks on more serious shit,but his next album i think will show all 3 personalities of him, dre said in an interview that he liked the slim shady persona, pissin ppl off and dissin everyone, and if u ever noticed the way he drops his 1st singles off his album?

SSLP- Hi my name is
MMLP-Real Slim Shady
EminemShow-Without Me
DevilsNight-Purple Pills
D12World-My Band

(they are all similar, in the fact that the track is just either making fun of everything or just joking and fuckin round, also, the beats on each track sound like a funny lil tune

i think his next album will be the same routine he always uses.

Eminem was my favorite rapper...until I heard "My Band"...*goes off and cries*

But seriously, Em isn't Em anymore.
I don't know what it is, but I just can't feel with the ish he says anymore...
I hope he goes back to his old self about raping his mom, killing Kim, and popping 600 pills a minute.
Lol...
Naw, I think his influences have changed, but what the ufck would I know...
Peace

Eminem's changed teh for the worse no doubt about it.
He defied his own law of rap of not giving a fuck but now
pumps out shits for hits to little kids just for records sales.
I aint sayin daz wrong jus dont say ur true if u gunna do that
oh yeah and shadyslady go suck his dick u seem like a little
prick to me dont be dissin other members and im doin it right now
cuz ur a little gay hoe :D

pumps out shits for hits to little kids just for records sales.
Not entirely true. Just one on each album.

I just wish he'd switch back to his old style...

"All these bitches are riding my dick so much I should be charging them cab fare!" - Ridiculous.... well, a song on Underscore, anyway.

the Eminem Show was a disgrace' some of his
lyrics in one song contradicted others in another song
from the same album. The dude totally lost it and
his fucken punchlines are weak. Id really like to see him in
a real' battle not some washed up bullshit filmed on screen'.

http://www.emceebattles.com/media/video/r97_em.ram

You need Realplayer. Notice how he recycles lines?


I'm as tired as fuck... jus' a random comment...

Fuck you spitting,don't be a hypocrite.
How can you say the eminem show is a discrace?That's bullshit,as i've said i don't know how many times,he's improved in alot of ways.Yes,it has a totally different approach but that doesn't make it a discrace.The main lyrics and messages are more important than punchlines anyway and they aren't weak.
Oh and kilmacs,he said he feels he has to release songs like that first to get people to lsiten to his other stuff.He says that's sometimes the only way people will listen to his serious lyrics and shit.

I still love eminem but I really don't like his new style anymore. I like the days of destroying everything and everyone, now he's an emotional rapper.

The days of the slim shady LP and hell even infinite are dead :(

what yo think Eminem knows this and he is switching back to his old way didnt you hear his new freestyle he says it in there he says i loved when ppl hated me i used to kick shit sit back then back when or sum shit and that free is hot

The only wack song he put out really was that Bully track which wasnt even supposed to be released. If you count the D12 Devils Night album, that shit was wack to. But other than that hes pretty much consistantly dope as fuck, except for those corny ass MTV singles he puts out for everyone of his album that make me embarassed to blast any of his other dope shit in my car(Hi Mynameis, realslimshady, withoutme). And even they were dope lyrically. Fuck all you INFINITE fans - ya the albums dope but you all think your somehow special because you have an underground LP that most people dont have.
dumbest thing ive ever heard Bully was straight sick cmon now and devils night heh some tracks were ass but most were hott

ok im down with anything wicked his first cd was his second was now he sings like a fag on his tracks. he sold out wicked shit and now he just impresses horny wanna be ghetto white girls who diss origional rappers cuz he said they suck. i hope he makes another album so i can be smart and pay attention to the unknown rapper beside his name.
oh yeah and just to let you know eminem and icp have only met once and it was years before any of them were known.