I respect Jay-Z with all my respect but i think that THE BLACK ALBUM was pretty weak. There was only a few good songs. Tell me what you think.

nah man i thought it was pretty tight

luda's rite.. it wuz his worst cd.. it wuz nuttin but a bunch of club like kinda songs..
no real worplay or anything like usual.. hmmm.. he still had some aite tracks.. moment or clarity wuz by far tha best punchwise.. but i still like encore and dirt off ur shoulder..

but yea.. i would've expected it to be tha best ever seein how it would be his last..

jay really fell off bad..

I thought it was pretty cool, but he should stop bein so arrogant, he's not the best rapper alive

Nigga he is the best rapper alive. And his album was totally solid, only tracks that were garbage were allure and change clothes, other than that, perfection. Shit you can call it one of his classic albums. Every cut other than the two i listed were bangers, you have ya lyrical song, ya street songs, ya gangsta songs, ya club songs, shit the whole package. Shit What More Can I Say is a classic already(in my mind) how can ya disrespect HOV like that? Name me another album this year that was better? I already know what ya gonna say, im dick ridin, but talent speaks for itself. There is no need for me to argue.

Nigga he is the best rapper alive. And his album was totally solid, only tracks that were garbage were allure and change clothes, other than that, perfection. Shit you can call it one of his classic albums. Every cut other than the two i listed were bangers, you have ya lyrical song, ya street songs, ya gangsta songs, ya club songs, shit the whole package. Shit What More Can I Say is a classic already(in my mind) how can ya disrespect HOV like that? Name me another album this year that was better? I already know what ya gonna say, im dick ridin, but talent speaks for itself. There is no need for me to argue.

Dude I am not disrespectin' him he is one of my favorite rappers of all time itz just that this album was not very good compared to what else he has produced.

hah. jayz is NOT the greates rapper alive. thats a joke and it makes me laugh. the album had some good songs, moment of clarity wud have been better if it didnt have that WHACK ass eminem beat. i like listening to the 9th wonder remix of the album, i can appreciate the lyrics more with good beats....but i like the original 99 problems best

Sorry for blastin on you luda but I just love the album. And if he isnt the greatest rapper alive name me one better?

name ONE better rapper. easy. hey man ill name you a few, and this is just off the top of my head, theres so many more:

murs, ill bill, q-unique, jemini, vinnie paz...

dont get me wrong, im pretty open minded when it comes to hip hop, and i can appreciate whats good. i liked jay-z's first album, and i like a few random songs of his from other albums, but hes really not as good as everyone (when i say everyone, i mean the chart hugging hip-pop heads) thinks he is.

he even admits on his new album, he dumbed down lyrics and went the way he did cos he wanted the money. he knows theres better emcees. even named 2!! (talib, common)...and dumbasses (hence "DUMBED DOWN" lyrics) buy his shit, cos theres more of them. u heard it straight from jay-z's mouth. i need say no more.

luda's rite.. it wuz his worst cd.. it wuz nuttin but a bunch of club like kinda songs..
no real worplay or anything like usual.. hmmm.. he still had some aite tracks.. moment or clarity wuz by far tha best punchwise.. but i still like encore and dirt off ur shoulder..

but yea.. i would've expected it to be tha best ever seein how it would be his last..

jay really fell off bad..



Thats an idiot for you...

The Black Album is a classic with no doubt in the world. It's eaither you dont know what he's saying or you hate him or somthin.

^^tha fukk.. sayin im an idiot.. like iunno wut im talkin bout..
fukk outta hea kid..

i kno wut im talkin bout kid so dont try ta put words in my mouth kid..

dumb hoe..

Club type songs..? lol

Jay-Z is the best rapper alive. Lil Wayne said it I say he is so he is. The Black Album is not weak. Its not his best but it is not weak. His best album was Blueprint. A classic album. Not like Nas he got 5 mics on illmatic. He did not deserve 5 mics. he should have got 3 1/2. Come on now 9 tracks. Weak. Jay is better than Nas. Where is Nas' consistensy?

10 tracks...

The Black Album is far from wack if you actually knew how badly he was criticized by the industry because he did what he wanted to do. He rapped about that subject as well as the fact he hinted a return and other subjects like in Justify My Thug, Allure, 99 Problems, December 4th etc. So if you really sat down and listened to the lyrics which isnt hard to do with his flow. There are only 2 club bangers and both are pretty old since they had heavy air time right when it was released.

See you are the best rapper alive when everyone is criticizing you and at the same time people are buying your shit. I wish I could say that about Pac, but too many guys were sucking his dick after he died...same for Big. I bet half of these cats who give them props haven't heard anything they've done other than the singles. Kids want to hold Hov down for "biting" when they only know a few lines and need a music geek to point them out. Tells you how much they know about the ones before him.

To me, you are on the top of your game when you sellin millions and at the same time you got haters stackin up. 50 Cent, Nelly, Flip, and Ludacris are perfect examples..no one had more than Hov though... He still never changed for them eaither. 18x plat-i-num

"See, haters get tight when you worth some millions. This is why I sport the chinchilla to hurt they feelings."-Fat joe

10 tracks...

See you are the best rapper alive when everyone is criticizing you and at the same time people are buying your shit.

ok how many idiots are on this forum? that doesnt mean your the best rapper AT ALL. everyones criricizing cos hes shit, and people are buying his shit cos he appeals to the younger market, and the cats who think eminem, jayz, dre and snoop represent whats hip hop. you think cos britney sells heaps she must be the best artist alive? dont be stupid.


and rocafellafan, if lil wayne said so ooooh it MUST be true!! (thats sarcasm) lil wanye is worse than jay-z. hell lil wanye doesnt deserve to have his name mentioned.

and illmatics a classic, obviouslly you cant appreciate real hip hop if you say some dumb shit like its only worth 3 and a half cos it has 9 tracks. what kind of ignorant shit are people on here?!? nas has yet to make an album, hell ANYONE has yet to make a debut as classic as that.

Thats an idiot for you...

The Black Album is a classic with no doubt in the world. It's eaither you dont know what he's saying or you hate him or somthin.

how about the 3rd option, hes shit?!? 99 problems was a good song, but i dont think theres any other GOOD songs on that album (moment of clarity would have been good if it didnt have that SHIT eminem beat. man how can he keep putting out beats like that without people calling him out on it!!).

jay-z has a big problem with choosing shitty beats and being in it for money (ok this must be the 16th time ive said this on the forum, so its the last time im gonna say it) LISTEN to moment of clarity. actually LISTEN to what he says. he makes his admission.

Dude, you're eaither and idoit or a hater or just both...it's hard to tell. Hip-Hop is Hip-Hop not that bullshit "real Hip-Hop" made by insecure fans. If you actually listened to his music you wouldnt be sayin some dumb ass shit like that peroid. You just like them bitches over at the 50 Cent forum, criticize success.

Just because artists like Talib, Mos Def, Common, Jadakiss, don't get the spotlight like Jay-Z or G-Unit don't mean they not doin the same thing they are. It's their balls and their word not you bitches that criticize everything that dont get street cred.

Shit, you prolly wouldn't even know Hip-Hop if someone slapped you with it.

Yall niggas make me think this shit is back in the 50's with that paper bag shit.

If you cant respect rap as a whole, you are just dummy just like most of these children here.

how about the 3rd option, hes shit?!? 99 problems was a good song, but i dont think theres any other GOOD songs on that album (moment of clarity would have been good if it didnt have that SHIT eminem beat. man how can he keep putting out beats like that without people calling him out on it!!).

jay-z has a big problem with choosing shitty beats and being in it for money (ok this must be the 16th time ive said this on the forum, so its the last time im gonna say it) LISTEN to moment of clarity. actually LISTEN to what he says. he makes his admission.

1.) You would know who the producer was if you actually read the booklet that came with the CD you dumbfuck. Maybe you should stop bootleggin niggas shit all the time for a change.

2.) How the hell would anyone espicially the "younger ones" buy his shit if the beats were wack? Another dumbass gettin his shit twisted already..

4.) LISTEN to moment of clarity. actually LISTEN to what he says. he makes his admission.

Why dont you go listen to The Bounce (second verse) on the BP2 before you want to draw a misinturpreted conclusion. Why don't you just save time and stop sounding like a dumbass already.

Theres really no point in arguing, you are either smart enuff to understand and appreciate his music, or be to ignorant to recognize the lyrical genius he is. So to all you haters, "yall only get half a bar, fuck ya niggaz" Takeover(Bluprint)

1.) You would know who the producer was if you actually read the booklet that came with the CD you dumbfuck. Maybe you should stop bootleggin niggas shit all the time for a change.

hey retard, my bootleg SAYS who the producers are you idiot. and yes NEPTUNES suck. EMINEM sucks. the black album has WHACK BEATS

2.) How the hell would anyone espicially the "younger ones" buy his shit if the beats were wack? Another dumbass gettin his shit twisted already..

why do people buy christina aguileras shit? you tryin to tell me her beats are tite and shes got talent?? your an idiot.

4.)

Why dont you go listen to The Bounce (second verse) on the BP2 before you want to draw a misinturpreted conclusion. Why don't you just save time and stop sounding like a dumbass already

oh yes lets name ONE song thats good out of the hundred or so hes put out. if he put out ONE good song that must make ALL his shit good huh!!! your so damn retarded its funny to me.

the only person looking like a dumbass here is you, for tryin to say the black album was dope, and the prodcuers were tite. (the only tite producer on there was 9th wonder. but i liked rick rubins 99 problems, that was a good song)

i feel sorry for you cats who think jayz, eminem, dre, ludacris, nelly etc... are hip hop, and your even more pathetic for thinking your part of it. i bet you cant even name any of the real innovators and creators of hip hop, and i bet you cant recognise half the real talent out there. you just love your commercial bullshit rap. RAP music is shit. hip-hop is real. and i cant stand you pathetic rap fans, sitting there thinking your real. i feel so sorry for you man, but at least your not giving hip-hoppers a bad name, you just show the world how stupid rap fans are.

Theres really no point in arguing, you are either smart enuff to understand and appreciate his music, or be to ignorant to recognize the lyrical genius he is. So to all you haters, "yall only get half a bar, fuck ya niggaz" Takeover(Bluprint)


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i thought it was a pretty good album, not as good as Blueprint though by a long way

it was ok for a jay-z album. i just dont understand why people think hes the best thing since sliced bread, and "the black album only proves it"...this sorta mentality confuses me.

The Black Album was straight, I mean I dont know why people hating, Jay-Z had some nice ass shit in that album if you listen real good.

ermm..Eminem,Jay-Z..are tight and they are rap you retard..rap is music..hip hop is a lifestyle dickwod.....good rapperz :Eminem,Jay-Z,Rakim,Nas,Bigge,Pac,X,LL Cool J,Wu-Tang,Outkast,Goodie Mob,dead prez,Pete Rock,black eyed peas,talib kweli,mos def,common "sense",snoop is dope sometimes,luda is aight,MOP,

for me these are the 3 best jay-z albums

1. reasonable doubt-5 mics- the source
2. blueprint- 5 mics- the source
3. Black album- 4 mics- the source

i have heard them all and i like em all but this is how the order is for me.

The Black Album wasn't necessarily weak, but it wasn't all that.

Jay-Z's best album by far was Reasonable Doubt. Coming in a close second, was The Blueprint. But The Black Album was definitely his worst album.

ermm..Eminem,Jay-Z..are tight and they are rap you retard..rap is music..hip hop is a lifestyle dickwod.....good rapperz :Eminem,Jay-Z,Rakim,Nas,Bigge,Pac,X,LL Cool J,Wu-Tang,Outkast,Goodie Mob,dead prez,Pete Rock,black eyed peas,talib kweli,mos def,common "sense",snoop is dope sometimes,luda is aight,MOP,

your an idiot. rap music is different tham hip-hop. dont you fucking DARE ever put mos def, kweli and commin in the same sentence as goodie mob, snoop and ludacris. mos def, kweli and common are HIP HOP. snoop is RAP. you are a fuckign imbecile if you cant tell the difference.

yes hip hop is a lifestyle, comprising of graffiti, breaking, djs and emcees. tell me where in snoops music do you have any of that?? he does not use the DJ the way a hip hop act should, if he ever has a dj its a prop dj that throws on his beats. snoop, dre, jay-z, all these cats no longer embrace the hip hop lifestyle in any way shape or form, and continue to rap about meaningless tripe. thats not what hip hops about. they make RAP music. cos they are taking the art of emceeing and milking it for all its worth forgetting what it really is.

next time keep your young mouth shut when grown folks are speaking.

The Black Album was decent. It was a good way of leaving the game(for a few months)....

Iv got to admit - its not as good as the Blueprint. But its pretty hot. Name me one album thats been better since its release!

SINCE its release. heh. why bother cos theres been hundreds better before its release (yes that includes like 1 month before its release). but ill name one anyway. skinnyman - council estate of mind. that is so much better than the black album, but u prob wont appreciate it..i cud name a million better albums than the black album. it wasnt hot. it was lukewarm.

Yeah. So was every Nas album since Illmatic.

did i say i disagree with that? (actually stillmatic was hot, no illmatic, but he proved he cud still pull off a good LP) one mic was such an amazing song, i cant think of one better, his flow, his delivery, the concept, the feel (getting louder, harder, then quiet....) its a classic song, from an awesome album

Stillmatic was decent. But as you said, it's lukewarm

your an idiot. rap music is different tham hip-hop. dont you fucking DARE ever put mos def, kweli and commin in the same sentence as goodie mob, snoop and ludacris. mos def, kweli and common are HIP HOP. snoop is RAP. you are a fuckign imbecile if you cant tell the difference.

yes hip hop is a lifestyle, comprising of graffiti, breaking, djs and emcees. tell me where in snoops music do you have any of that?? he does not use the DJ the way a hip hop act should, if he ever has a dj its a prop dj that throws on his beats. snoop, dre, jay-z, all these cats no longer embrace the hip hop lifestyle in any way shape or form, and continue to rap about meaningless tripe. thats not what hip hops about. they make RAP music. cos they are taking the art of emceeing and milking it for all its worth forgetting what it really is.

next time keep your young mouth shut when grown folks are speaking.

tell em'! AGREED WITH EVERYTHING...

HOLD THE FUCK UP? WHAT THE FUCK DID ROCAFELLAFAN FUCKEN SAY?!! Ok...I don't think the Black Album was weak. Not his best, but an exceptionally done album. But that's not what I'm mad about...

WHAT THE FUCK DID ROCAFELLAFAN SAY ABOUT THE "GREATEST RAP ALBUM EVER CREATED?!!" What did that bitch say about "ILLMATIC". It was WEAK? Did that motherfucker call ILLMATIC weak? That's blasphemy in my view. Illmatic is a journey through the pleasures of sonic perfection. There's no Jay-Z, Eminem(my fav lyricist), Talib Kweli, Mos Def, Notorious B.I.G. or 2Pac or anyone's album as good as ILLMATIC. 9 Rap songs..more powerful than any other collection of songs. So many remarkable rhymes. THE BEATS FANTASTIC..DJ Premiere, Large Professor and Pete Rock.

Classic ILLMATIC rhymes/lines:

"My rhymin is a vitamin, Hell without a capsule"

"Born alone, die alone, no crew to keep my crown or throne
I'm deep by sound alone, caved inside in a thousand miles from home
I need a new nigga, for this black cloud to follow
Cause while it's over me it's too dark to see tomorrow"

His storytelling is unparalled on this album:

"I took the L when he passed it, this little bastard
keeps me blasted, he starts talkin mad shit
I had to school him, told him don't let niggaz fool him
cause when the pistol blows the one that's murder be the cool one
Tough luck when niggaz are struck, families fucked up
Could've cought your man, but didn't look when you bucked up
Mistakes happen, so take heed, never bust off at the crowd
Catch him solo, make the right man bleed
Shorty's laugh was cold blooded as he spoke so foul
Only twelve tryin to tell me that he liked my style.."

SO ILL!

"My style switches like a faggot. But not bisexual
I'm an intelectual, on rap I'm a professional
And that's no question yo."

So before your uneducated bitch ass tries to call a gem like this WEAK..listen before u talk..


ILLMATIC..Greatest Rap Album Invented!

There's no Jay-Z, Eminem(my fav lyricist), Talib Kweli, Mos Def, Notorious B.I.G. or 2Pac or anyone's album as good as ILLMATIC.

i hate when people put talib and mos def in the same sentence as folk like jay-z, eminem, b.i.g or pac. mos and talib are hip hop, and have alot of soul influence, talkin about positive shit and are alot more eleoquent and masterful with their emceeing than any of those people. (yes including eminem. eminem has no flow next to talib and thats how it is). not to mention eminem must be the worst producer the game has ever seen since swizz beats. hell id still pick swizz beats' over eminems beats ANY day!!

but i agree with wut u said bout illmatic. illmatic is a classic.

awww cum on. black album was seen. but it wernt the best thing he could of done to go out on. aint no way his best, but it was a jay z album, it was always gonna be the shit.
encore, december 4th, moment of clarity = seen

word out

U.D.D. What are you talking about? Talib and Mos Def have shown love for Notorious B.I.G., 2Pac, Eminem and Jay-Z. Mos Def said "Eminem is Dope". Lyrically I'd pick Eminem over anyone...cause he can attack 10 topics in 16 bars..no genius has a lyrical talent like that. Talib is one of my favorites of all time(Black Star and Quality ARE INCREDIBLY CRAFTED ALBUMS)..but Eminem is every MC's MC. Eminem's been producing for only TWO YEARS..whenever someone starts in something new in their first TWO YEARS they're not as good as someone who's been doing it for 10 or 15 years. However, there are few producers with potential like Eminem..now willl that potential translate into reality isn't known.

U.D.D. What are you talking about? Talib and Mos Def have shown love for Notorious B.I.G., 2Pac, Eminem and Jay-Z. Mos Def said "Eminem is Dope". Lyrically I'd pick Eminem over anyone...cause he can attack 10 topics in 16 bars..no genius has a lyrical talent like that. Talib is one of my favorites of all time(Black Star and Quality ARE INCREDIBLY CRAFTED ALBUMS)..but Eminem is every MC's MC.

having respect for someone for doing what they do has nothing to do with what sort of music you make. if dr dre showed love for slayer, does that mean he makes heavy metal music?? of fucking course not.

Eminem's been producing for only TWO YEARS..whenever someone starts in something new in their first TWO YEARS they're not as good as someone who's been doing it for 10 or 15 years. However, there are few producers with potential like Eminem..now willl that potential translate into reality isn't known.

your fuckign kidding me right? ive been making beats for less than a year and i can come out with shit better than eminem!! fair enough "whenever someone starts in something new they arent as good", but we arent talking "arent as good" we are talking utter BULLSHIT. his beats are so godawful i dont know how people can bare to listen to them. take the beat he made for jay-z on the black album. just listen to that bullshit. it sounds like he made it on his fucking atari. he sucks man, and hes a fucking sellout. i dont care how talented a lyricist he is, he sucks.

moment of clarity = seen


by "seen" do u mean good? The lyrics were good, i love "Moment of clarity" on the 9th edition (9th edition is the black album remixed by 9th wonder. a GOOD producer), but that whack ass, piece of trash, atari soundin eminem beat ruined the fuckin song. how can people actually stand a beat like that.

*shakes his head in shame*

even MY beats turn out better than that.

by "seen" do u mean good? The lyrics were good, i love "Moment of clarity" on the 9th edition (9th edition is the black album remixed by 9th wonder. a GOOD producer), but that whack ass, piece of trash, atari soundin eminem beat ruined the fuckin song. how can people actually stand a beat like that.

*shakes his head in shame*

even MY beats turn out better than that.



totally agree... beat sounded like a "lose yourself" style eminem shyt beat
but it didnt ruin the song

by the way seen means good ... so yep

ok maybe it didnt RUIN it, i usually exagerate (sp) to get my point across. but it was a sore dissapointment. seeing as the beat is 50% of the song. therefore the song was 50% shit.

One thing about Eminem, he recycles his drum patterns. He did up until recently(On Fire-Bank$). Listen to I'm gone of Streetsweeper Vol. 2. It has the same drum patterns as 8 Mile Road. And the other thing is all his beats can be made in Fruity Loops.

I've done it. Re-made 8 Mile Road in FL.

9th wonder uses fruityloops. and his beats blow eminems out the fukkin water. fruityloops shouldnt be looked down on, it is in effect, an MPC. they both work on the exact same principles.

get off jay z's dick you fag the black album is a piece of shit just like all his other albums jay is shit

get off jay z's dick you fag the black album is a piece of shit just like all his other albums jay is shit

get off jay z's dick you fag the black album is a piece of shit just like all his other albums jay is shit

who the hell are you talking to? u may want to QUOTE people so we know who the fuckk your on about. cos i dont remember anyone here bein on jayz dick...man where do these idiots come from?

luda was on jay z's dick you fucking idiot now you can eat a dick you u dumb fucking queer

luda was on jay z's dick you fucking idiot now you can eat a dick you u dumb fucking queer

you need anger management buddy. think you have a problem.

Its a decent album, but not so good when we compare it to blueprint 1 n 2.

Get Sum 'dro-n-ur System, N-try-2 Ignore Da Hypnotic Flo' Da Black Album Has 4rum Beginnin'-2-end... Jigga Iz Sic'-2-death, N-only-da Niggaz Who Didn't Allow Themselvez-2-understand Hiz Punchez-n-conceptz R-da Onez Who Think Hiz Shit Iz Weak... Do Ur Homewurk... Trillz

i think the album turned out pretty , probably the only jay z album i really like.

yo.. who cares if BIG said he respected Jay-Z or whatever, Jay-Z is a chump n so is BIG. "If u down with badboy then fcuk you too!"-Pac

Jay-Z didnt make a good album till it was his last one n that was even weak. If he's the best rapper alive wheres his best selling album n wheres his award for the Black Album? Don't u think the best rapper alive should have beat out usher?

Ya Jay-Z rapped next to Biggie n DIDNT hold his own by any comparison. but yo what about snoop? snoop rapped beside Pac n actually made some hits man. Americaz most wanted beats out any other song that jay-z has done or ever will do. and snoop was an ACTUAL gangster not just some rhyme writer trying to pass himself off as one.

and fcuk whatever amount of money him or damon have cuz whatever they got p.diddy has got double that. and its not like hes the only c.e.o of roc-a-fella theres three of them. hes just the big lipped face they decided to put up as their front man.

Jay can freestyle ill give him that. but X can, has, n will beat him in the future. Jay-Z n DMX battle on Backstage... go watch it n tell me who won.

I dont know how all u people can love Jay-Z so much n say hes the greatest. ya he fucks beyonce (big props) but who gives a shit... some ska fcuking punk rocker is fucking carmen electra but nobodys giving him all this love. it doesnt make him a better artist. snoops been pimpin since pimpin been pimpin. no contesto.

There's not 1 of jay-Z's songs i would put on the top 50 rap songs of all time. not one of them ... some of snoops would be tho.

how ya like them apples

99 problems is a bunch of baby rhymes .. lmao.. it sucks.

99 problems is a bunch of baby rhymes .. lmao.. it sucks.

And you'd definitely would be the master of knowing what sucks...

I thought the black album was ok. It had some good songs and some bad ones. Although I did personaly think the change clothes was total shit. And for a while dirt off ya shoulders was one of the biggest catch phrases in rap.

Get Sum 'dro-n-ur System, N-try-2 Ignore Da Hypnotic Flo' Da Black Album Has 4rum Beginnin'-2-end... Jigga Iz Sic'-2-death, N-only-da Niggaz Who Didn't Allow Themselvez-2-understand Hiz Punchez-n-conceptz R-da Onez Who Think Hiz Shit Iz Weak... Do Ur Homewurk... Trillz

what the fuck is wrong with YOU?!? learn how to type man no-one can be assed reading that shit!

and black album wasnt all that man, hell murs 3:16 was 10000 times the album the black album was, and thats just the first album that came to my head!

black album was ok. i much prefer listening to remixed versions (like 9th wonders and Kno's), cos some of the beats were VERY questionable. and that gay ass singing in "what more can i say".?!?!..the beat was good, but i hate that damn singing!!!! get off jayz dick and grow a brain.

Notorius Fan Who was the best rapper alive if not jay z when he said so....You must be a Nas fan...

Notorius Fan Who was the best rapper alive if not jay z when he said so....You must be a Nas fan...
Rakim, del, kool keith and krs are one of the best

and no im not a hardcore nas fan, but nas is alot better than jay-z

Im a great fan of jay-z and id say the black album is one of his greatest

Fuck awards, of course they aint give him one. To many white niggas is brainwashed by Outkast(no disrespect), they great and all but Jay shoulda took home the grammy for best rap album.

Nah, he didnt deserve an award anyway. Don't give him one like MTV did just because he's retiring. That's just like charity or something. Black Album was weak. Point Blank. It wasnt his worst but it was far from his best. Nothing like Blueprint or Reasonable Doubt. The beats were weak and lyrics were all right. Best tracks were "Moment of Clarity", "What more can i say", and "Dirt off your shoulder" was an aight single. 99 problems was aight but too much biting in that one song. Overall Black Album was 6.5/10.

Jay-Z = Greatest Alive

Jay-Z = Greatest Period

Like A Lot Of People Posting Before Me Said, The Black Album Was Not Weak, But It Wasn't His Best. Somebody Said This Before Me, but Katz Mad Bcuz He Did What He Wanted 2 Do On This Album. Me Personaly, I Don't Think This Album Was Too Much Pressed On Pleasing The People, It Seemed Like It Was More For Him And Just To Let People Kno That He's Gone And What They Will Be Missing. He Made Songs On Tha Album For Everyones Particular Flavor. If You Called This Album Wack, U Must Be A Nas Fan, Underground Fan, Or Just Don't Like Rap, Or U Could Be Just Stupid.

It's My Opinion But Jay-Z Is Tha Greatest Period. I Don't Go By Sales And Bullshit, Bcuz If U Do Then Either Nelly Or Eminem Would Be It, But B.I.G. Is Not Tha Greatest. 3 Albums Do't Make U Tha Greatest, He Had Hott Stuff But Naw, He Got WAY 2 Much Credit After He Died. 2 Pac Aint Tha Greatest Either, Bcuz There Are Some Many Freakin Dickriders Of That Man If He Was Still Alive He Wouldn't Have A Penis. Hes A Good Lyrist And All But People Would Just Name Singles And Other Stuff Of Why He Tha Greatest. Katz Say hes Tha Best Story Teller, Maybe?? A Close 2nd I'll Give'm That, I Think Slick Rick Is Better.

But Jigga Is Tha Greatest, Nobody Can Compare, Lil' Flip, Tha So Called Freestlye King?? Fuck Outta Here, Jay-Z Free's Albums Nigga Gets Some Balls!!! Nas Ain't Better Tha Jay, Jay Killed Him In A Damn Verse, That Was Freestyled, Not Only Did This Kat Have 2 WRITE, He Had 2 WRITE A Damn Song!!! If Ur Better Than Him, Match Him, He Had To Go Over Just To Barely Get Wit It. KRS-One lol Is Not Fuckin Wit Nobody, When U Get Pissed On By Nelly, U Need To Stop Rappin Period. Only Person Worthy Of Callin Thereself Tha Greatest While Jigga Is Still Around Is LL. Kool J Ends Careers!! Example: Canibus, lol!!!

#1 - Blueprint {Classic}
#2 - Blueprint 2 {Classic}
#3 - Reasonable Doubt {Classic}
#4 - Hard Knock Life Vol. 2 {Classic}
#5 - Black Album {Classic}
#6 - My Lifetime Vol. 1 {Decent}
#7 - Life Of Shawn Carter Vol. 3 {Decent}
#8 - Dynasty {Worst Album Of His}

Damn Im Just Yappin, But Anyway, Like Jay-Z Said...

And all you other cats throwin shots at Jigga
You only get half a bar - fuck y'all niggaz ~ Jay-Z A.K.A. Tha G.O.A.T.

whose the weak fuck that made this poll the black album was tie as fuck i mean damn

finally, someone who agrees wit me.....I think the Black Album was also pretty weak....i know jigga could have done better......i also though BP2 was wack...especially for a double album....BP was good though, Jigga just fell off after that

Lol, The Black Album is not weak, this why kids shouldn't by CD's, and Judge Hip Hop Hall Of Famers, such as Jay-Z.

^^i suppose you think BP2 was one of the best Double Albums ever

name ONE better rapper. easy. hey man ill name you a few, and this is just off the top of my head, theres so many more:

murs, ill bill, q-unique, jemini, vinnie paz...

dont get me wrong, im pretty open minded when it comes to hip hop, and i can appreciate whats good. i liked jay-z's first album, and i like a few random songs of his from other albums, but hes really not as good as everyone (when i say everyone, i mean the chart hugging hip-pop heads) thinks he is.

he even admits on his new album, he dumbed down lyrics and went the way he did cos he wanted the money. he knows theres better emcees. even named 2!! (talib, common)...and dumbasses (hence "DUMBED DOWN" lyrics) buy his shit, cos theres more of them. u heard it straight from jay-z's mouth. i need say no more.


Something people here arnt.

I liked the album but probally cause it was my first jay-z album

Black Album Was a classic! flow world play everything about it owned! Ever since Ether everyone dick riding nas, How can Jay Z be wacK? pfft

i luved jay-z org. shit, In my lifetime, the blueprint and such, and for this reason i can honestly say that the black album was not up to par, it was weak in comparison to his previous releases

I disagree with you. He has some personal shit on here.

hmm...i only like his album the blue print nand the reasonable doubt those were good..the black album sucked..

if you have limewire and like this album search for the black album remix. i have like 15 different versions of this album with some pretty tight songs like what more can i say blended with who shot ya?click on this web site to find some of the albums alot of the ones on soundclick.com let u download all the songs for free! http://geocities.com/remixalbums/.
ALSO the black album is jay-z's 3rd best album besides Reasonable doubt,blueprint,and blueprint2

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if you have limewire and like this album search for the black album remix. i have like 15 different versions of this album with some pretty tight songs like what more can i say blended with who shot ya?click on this web site to find some of the albums alot of the ones on soundclick.com let u download all the songs for free! http://geocities.com/remixalbums/.
ALSO the black album is jay-z's 3rd best album besides Reasonable doubt,blueprint,and blueprint2
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No it wasnt weak at all. It may have been not as good as his past material but it is still a classic album

I haven't written on this thing in over a year and it saddens me... very, very deeply to see so many jay-z supporters. I made them tell me when people reply to this just to see what kinds of bullshit people would come up with to counter my message. and the jay-z supporters did it pretty poorly.

best rapper ALIVE? you must be kidding me. jay-z was the first person to say that nobody else. people have posted that they like his consistancy in the rap game and... i quote "Jay-Z is the reason why there's so many commercial cats out there."(detroit101) u guys must be riding jay-z's dick harder than buddy said people were riding Tupacs.

Now i don't particularly like to call myself a Pac "dickrider" but he is the best of all time no doubt about it. anybody who says otherwise either hasnt listened to more than 10 of his songs or just can't comprehend what hes saying. but hes dead. so hes not in the contest. but HE is the reason there's so many "commercial cats" out there. nobody blew up bigger than pac so F that noise. and if ur talking about companys n shit then its richard simmons. Jay-z looked at simmons n p.ddidy's money and thought "how many niggers does it take to sell records?" and it took him 3 to make roc-a-fella

and people are talking about LL CoolJ like hiphop stopped in '96.you ALL must be crazy. You can't talk down SNOOP DOGG from being the best. Snoop is twice the rapper, performer, icon, gangster, actor, puffmaster all of that. Telling other gangsters not to c-walk if ur not a crip in ur song is gangster enough but the respect he gets from EVERYONE is a testament to his career.

And there's a tonne of better lyricists than jay-z. Common, Talib Kweli, The Game, DJ Quik fuck even Dr.Dre. My 8 year old nephew could rhymes the shit he rhymes. maybe not as fast as he does or in a freestyle like he does (WHICH I GIVE HIM PROPS FOR). but it would come out sounding about the same.

For the mans last album you think he would have gone beyond just writing something meaningful. The album should have AWESOME BEATS. not just meadeocre or alright or crusin beats. it should be baller like no other. and it wasn't. The remixes are a bunch of dick sucking too but DJ Dangermouse made something out of nothing so i'll listen to that.

but you guys are talking the BEST alive. not just pretty good but the BEST. whic he is definitely and most certainly not. and just cuz im drunk doesnt change anything. you should all be ashamed of himself.

Dre better lyricist, Game better lyricist, nigga you out your fuckin mind.

I'd say it's weak for sure. I bought it cos I heard it was his last and was gonna be dope, but I was really let down. I only really liked December 4th.

REASONABLE DOUBT IS JAY-Z'S BEST PERIOD!...

The black album is a let down cuz as im sure mad headz already sed "he did it for the money!"....

he was leavin tha game why not get as much money as u cud out of it before you leave???

and since he knows that niggas like yall are gonna cop his shit he dunt giv a fuk...

but Reasonable Doubt is something i can't stop listenin too...

One

The Black album was his third best cd. My favorite gotta be "Allure"

fuck all them who sed jay fell off
the black album was tight
3rd best
bleuprint & reasonalble doubt joint 1st
all the songs were sick apart fom allure
december 4th and lucifer were my favourites
them who say he did it for the money r dumbasses, ofcourse he did everone who releases albums expects money in return. Them who say otherwise are lying.

spit shine that clip is funny as shit, i cant help lookin at it.

name ONE better rapper. easy. hey man ill name you a few, and this is just off the top of my head, theres so many more:

murs, ill bill, q-unique, jemini, vinnie paz...

dont get me wrong, im pretty open minded when it comes to hip hop, and i can appreciate whats good. i liked jay-z's first album, and i like a few random songs of his from other albums, but hes really not as good as everyone (when i say everyone, i mean the chart hugging hip-pop heads) thinks he is.

he even admits on his new album, he dumbed down lyrics and went the way he did cos he wanted the money. he knows theres better emcees. even named 2!! (talib, common)...and dumbasses (hence "DUMBED DOWN" lyrics) buy his shit, cos theres more of them. u heard it straight from jay-z's mouth. i need say no more.

3rd time i was given chance to argue with this exact point. First of all, if these other cats you named are so great how come they have never been heard of? Don't give me an excuse like their underground or indie, because then if they were good they would still be heard of for underground rappers. A tru emcee can be ill on the mic along with sell like cocaine at the crypt spot (like jay-z). Secondly I heard those exact lyrics, the way he talks can be exaggerated, he said he could be thee most lyrical cat out there like common n talib (hes not admitting they're better he's saying they're more lyrical than his usual style) but he'd rather be more simplistic in order to be himself and get paid for being himself. I consider Common and Talib some of the greatest lyricists of all time, but by no stretch of the imagination are they thee best rapper alive, and let's just say that most people don't have to stretch their imagination quite as much to find Jay as the best.

as far as the album, its tight for the most part a few weaker songs than expected. I think its a classic but i think a large reason that its considered a classic is because its jays last album. Still hot tho.

yo the album is like some grown man talk you know what i mean...no really alot of club banggers it was just beats with mellow tempo for the young and the old and if you listen to he's flows you'll understand what the fuck is going to happen to one of us if we make it u know...i think the black album dosnt have he's DNA but gave a new birth for what he was trying to accomplish a messeage of he's new ways

what the hell are you tryin to say?

every body that said NO, get off his dick

album was a strate up classic...

not the best,not the worst

not the best,not the worst

yep yep

Man, the Black album is Sick

Jigga

da black album wuz weak

the blaccc man dont like the black album?

the Black album is a great album, its easily 4/5. I think lyrically thats Jay's best album, it think flow wise RD was, but for pure lyrics I really liked The Black album, Jay seemed to have matured.

Also the beats we dope, really catchy, and theres nothing wrong with that, everyone doesn't have to sound like Dr Octagon. lol.

^tru shit.

Deffinetly a good album. Haha.. Lucifer got such a kickass beat. "Kanye, you did it again! You a genius nigga!"

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Deffinetly a good album. Haha.. Lucifer got such a kickass beat. "Kanye, you did it again! You a genius nigga!"

=D

nahhhhhhhh...tis quality

What is it with people and the mightyness they give to unknown rappers, just because they are decent rappers and are non commercialsied. Someone please tell me who murs, ill bill, q-unique, jemini and vinnie paz why they are so good. Talk about someone like Immortal technique, who is an established rapper and y et has stayed consistent.

I rate the Black album a little higher than Air force ones by Nelly.

Sorry for blastin on you luda but I just love the album. And if he isnt the greatest rapper alive name me one better?

Rakim
Kool G Rap
Nas
Talib Kweli
Common
Chuck Dee
A.Z.
K.R.S. One
Murs
Royce da 5'9"
Queen Latifah LOL and i'm serious too.
Ofcourse I could go on and on.


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^^^ Jack Ass But The Black Album Is A Classic Especially With That Bullshit He Got Out Now

Man u buggin. The Black Album was his best album. get it together

If he kept the first 7 tracks on Kingdome Come, and Beach Chair, and added another 4 solid tracks, it would be a Great album.