Name the ones that you (all that oppose Jay-Z) think are better than him. And I guarantee you, they've all said he was the best. Lemme cut your list short right now.

Copywrite
Biggie

Blah, name some more...

Jay Z sucks, with his meaningless hip pop songs.

And I'd say both you named are alot better then Jay Z.

They both said he's the best...What does your opinion matter to them?

I like the ones mentioned in my sig better than Jay Z, but that's just my opinion. And it's a whole different type of rapmusic they do.

Actually, Shyne and Bis don't. Bis has once said that Jay owns the game. Shyne, has said the same before.

Everyone except for anyone on Cash Money.

Actually, Shyne and Bis don't. Bis has once said that Jay owns the game. Shyne, has said the same before.

I have never heard of Bis saying that Jay-Z owns the game, and same goes for Shyne. I'm not saying that it's not true, but show some proof with your statements, or else it's kind of hard to believe.


Nas
Eminem
Canibus
Immortal Technique
Big L
Just to name a few...

Chino
Copywrite
Crooked I
Immortal Tech
Bis

^^

Lil Weezy is better than Jay-z

Lil Weezy is better than Jay-z

Lil Weezy ain't part of Cash Money? If so, close call.

hmmm.... only rapper that i think is better than him is prolly joey..... im jus sayin..

but no one knos him or cares bout him or knos nuttin bout him so yea....
i guess u can say eminem is better.......

lmao..

u kno u wrong...

^ Em is better, listen to Renegade off Blueprint.

Hard to say i mean jay does a diffrent level he brought his own diffrent style id say tupac and biggie are tha main

fuck Gay-z, this nigga aint no rapper he a faggot, em, would crush this nigga, tupac crush this fuck, even fat old bastard biggie crush this fuck litterly.

^ Your argument would be more substantial if you could spell correctly.

Jay defintetly one of the greats of hip hop say what you want about him but its all trash talk, Cuz when its all over Cats like him and nas, Big Pac are all gonna be remembered. But Nas Eminem Pac Big Bis

ahahah LMFAO at lloyd. where the fuck did taht come from???

nigga i donno i just hate him.

Tons better in certain areas, but none better overall.

Aceyalone
Afrika Bambaataa
Akrobatik
Apathy
AZ
Big Daddy Kane
Big L
Big Pun
Brother Ali
Canibus
Common
Copywrite
Del the Funkee Homosapien
Eminem
Ghostface Killah
Guru
Grandmaster Flash
GZA/Genius
Ice Cube
Ill Bill
Immortal Technique
Jadakiss
Kool G Rap
Kool Keith
KRS-One
Lloyd Banks
Masta Ace
Method Man
MF Doom
Mos Def
Mr. Lif
Nas
Notorious B.I.G.
Obie Trice
Pharoahe Monch
Q-Unique
Raekwon
Rakim
Ras Kass
Redman
Royce da 5'9
Slick Rick
Talib Kweli
Tech N9ne
Tupac Shakur
Vast Aire
Xzibit

Just to get an idea :rolleyes:

Aceyalone
Afrika Bambaataa
Akrobatik
Apathy
AZ
Big Daddy Kane
Big L
Big Pun
Brother Ali
Canibus
Common
Copywrite
Del the Funkee Homosapien
Eminem
Ghostface Killah
Guru
Grandmaster Flash
GZA/Genius
Ice Cube
Ill Bill
Immortal Technique
Jadakiss
Kool G Rap
Kool Keith
KRS-One
Lloyd Banks
Masta Ace
Method Man
MF Doom
Mos Def
Mr. Lif
Nas
Notorious B.I.G.
Obie Trice
Pharoahe Monch
Q-Unique
Raekwon
Rakim
Ras Kass
Redman
Royce da 5'9
Slick Rick
Talib Kweli
Tech N9ne
Tupac Shakur
Vast Aire
Xzibit

Just to get an idea :rolleyes:

Great list man, I can think of a couple of hundred others.

A more thought provoking question would have been: "Rappers who are NOT better than Jay-Z." Cash Money always come to mind, them and Salt n Peppa. But I'm not sure about Peppa, I think she'd smoke Jay-Z on the M.I.C.

Wow, that list was soooo unexpected, you're a natural Einstein.
Besides very few rappers are as hot as Jigga.

Aceyalone
Afrika Bambaataa
Akrobatik
Apathy
AZ
Big Daddy Kane
Big L
Big Pun
Brother Ali
Canibus
Common
Copywrite
Del the Funkee Homosapien
Eminem
Ghostface Killah
Guru
Grandmaster Flash
GZA/Genius
Ice Cube
Ill Bill
Immortal Technique
Jadakiss
Kool G Rap
Kool Keith
KRS-One
Lloyd Banks
Masta Ace
Method Man
MF Doom
Mos Def
Mr. Lif
Nas
Notorious B.I.G.
Obie Trice
Pharoahe Monch
Q-Unique
Raekwon
Rakim
Ras Kass
Redman
Royce da 5'9
Slick Rick
Talib Kweli
Tech N9ne
Tupac Shakur
Vast Aire
Xzibit

Just to get an idea :rolleyes:


For once i agree wit the list, good job.

...But then again...you'd have to ask yourself...."who is more consistent" with their shyt....

Nobody can go around blastin' a Pharoe Monch song...like they would Jay-Z...same for KRS-One, Vast Aire, and majority of da peeps yall namin in that list...

In all reality..
Jay-Z is the best lyricist being heard by tha people..and consistent...and sticking with the times....

The peeps yall name may have betta skill...but they don't have the skill that it takes to stay consistant in the game like Jay-Z

nuff said...~1~

Yea NotoriouSFaN Posted A Good List And MJ Does Have A Good Point To Argue...I Would Throw Super Natural On That List He Nasty

rappers better than jay z ....

immortal tech
2pac
biggie
big l
big pun
jadakiss
nas
lloyd banks
rakim
canibus
shyne
mc eiht
snoop dogg (young snoop on death row)
ice cube

thats all i could think now

rappers better than jay z ....

immortal tech
2pac
biggie
big l
big pun
jadakiss
nas
lloyd banks
rakim
canibus
shyne
mc eiht
snoop dogg (young snoop on death row)
ice cube
beanie sigel (even nas said it )

thats all i could think now

^ Em is better, listen to Renegade off Blueprint.
Jay spit the more introspective verse on that one. Em just had a better rhyme scheme. Em is better though. NotoriouSFaN seems to have an ok list except for...

Ice Cube
Jadakiss
KRS-One
Lloyd Banks
Masta Ace
Obie Trice
Raekwon
Talib Kweli
Tech N9ne
Mos Def

^ None of those are better than Jay, I don't know all of the people on his list though. But he does have many right. And I saw Tech N9ne's little video "Slacker" both the video and the song were whack.

Aceyalone- Worst underground rapper
Afrika Bambaataa- Pioneer. Arguable.
Akrobatik- Wack
Apathy- Can't even last with Jay's signing(ie. Grafh)
AZ- Nah....
Big Daddy Kane- Arugable
Big L- Okay. 1.
Big Pun- Very arguable
Brother Ali- Fuck no
Canibus- Arguable
Common- Arguable. Hell, Hay gave the man props.
Copywrite- Much as I like Copy, no. And even Copy said the only person he would wanna collab with is Jay.
Del the Funkee Homosapien- I like Del, but no.
Eminem- Hell no. Eminem is one of the most overrated rappers of all time, just 'cause he's White. Copywrite= Way Sicker Than Him.
Ghostface Killah- No. I love the Wu, but not.
Guru- Arguable.
Grandmaster Flash- Pioneer. Arguable.
GZA/Genius- Love the Wu, but no.
Ice Cube- Hell no!!
Ill Bill- 'Cause him and Necro rap about stabbing people to death? He's not sick, he's just pyscho.
Immortal Technique- Give him some time, maybe.
Jadakiss- Give him some time, maybe.
Kool G Rap- Pioneer. Arguable.
Kool Keith- No
KRS-One- No
Lloyd Banks- Hell no. You obviously haven't heard how easily Jay could smash G-Unit.
Masta Ace- Ehh...No
Method Man- Love MEth, but no.
MF Doom- Hell no, that fatback wack fucker.
Mos Def- Give him some time.
Mr. Lif- No. Mr Lif gets no props for biting Guru.
Nas- No. Hell no!
Notorious B.I.G.- That's 2 correct. But even Biggie said Jay was the best behind him.
Obie Trice- WTF are you smoking? Crystal meth? He's not even better than Em.
Pharoahe Monch- No. I love Monch, but no.
Q-Unique- No!
Raekwon- See Ghostface.
Rakim- Arguable, but Rakim>Nas.
Ras Kass- NO!!!
Redman- Ehhh....Nah..
Royce da 5'9- No
Slick Rick- Arguable
Talib Kweli- Kweli is one of my idols and faves, but not yet though.
Tech N9ne- WTF? Tech Nine is garbage. He's the worst, I take back what I stated about
Tupac Shakur- No. Tupac=overrated as fuck. He was just emotional.
Vast Aire- I like Can Ox, but hell no..
Xzibit- I like X to the Z, but no.

^Couldnt say it better myself

1

Aceyalone- Worst underground rapper
Afrika Bambaataa- Pioneer. Arguable.
Akrobatik- Wack
Apathy- Can't even last with Jay's signing(ie. Grafh)
AZ- Nah....
Big Daddy Kane- Arugable
Big L- Okay. 1.
Big Pun- Very arguable
Brother Ali- Fuck no
Canibus- Arguable
Common- Arguable. Hell, Hay gave the man props.
Copywrite- Much as I like Copy, no. And even Copy said the only person he would wanna collab with is Jay.
Del the Funkee Homosapien- I like Del, but no.
Eminem- Hell no. Eminem is one of the most overrated rappers of all time, just 'cause he's White. Copywrite= Way Sicker Than Him.
Ghostface Killah- No. I love the Wu, but not.
Guru- Arguable.
Grandmaster Flash- Pioneer. Arguable.
GZA/Genius- Love the Wu, but no.
Ice Cube- Hell no!!
Ill Bill- 'Cause him and Necro rap about stabbing people to death? He's not sick, he's just pyscho.
Immortal Technique- Give him some time, maybe.
Jadakiss- Give him some time, maybe.
Kool G Rap- Pioneer. Arguable.
Kool Keith- No
KRS-One- No
Lloyd Banks- Hell no. You obviously haven't heard how easily Jay could smash G-Unit.
Masta Ace- Ehh...No
Method Man- Love MEth, but no.
MF Doom- Hell no, that fatback wack fucker.
Mos Def- Give him some time.
Mr. Lif- No. Mr Lif gets no props for biting Guru.
Nas- No. Hell no!
Notorious B.I.G.- That's 2 correct. But even Biggie said Jay was the best behind him.
Obie Trice- WTF are you smoking? Crystal meth? He's not even better than Em.
Pharoahe Monch- No. I love Monch, but no.
Q-Unique- No!
Raekwon- See Ghostface.
Rakim- Arguable, but Rakim>Nas.
Ras Kass- NO!!!
Redman- Ehhh....Nah..
Royce da 5'9- No
Slick Rick- Arguable
Talib Kweli- Kweli is one of my idols and faves, but not yet though.
Tech N9ne- WTF? Tech Nine is garbage. He's the worst, I take back what I stated about
Tupac Shakur- No. Tupac=overrated as fuck. He was just emotional.
Vast Aire- I like Can Ox, but hell no..
Xzibit- I like X to the Z, but no.


HAHAHHA ya ok, go back to Gay-z and his "CHANGE CLOTHS AND GO" fuckin homo that he is.

Nas (Proven, if Ether wasn't enough; "Who's the best? Nas Pac n Big", Jay-Z's own words)
Cormega (Dont need to explain)
Hungrier/Younger Eminem (Just look at Renegade)
Big L were he alive
Canibus (Dont need to explain)
Rass Kass (Sheer lyrical content takes this)
Lowkey (Dont criticise til you heard cos this guy is a fuckin spokesperson for hip hop, the youth of today, and society in general)
The Guru (Non-commercial, the guy is the truth)
Biggie (This is close, but when u think that half Jay-Z's lines come from the Big man, its pretty obvious)
Kool G Rap (Didn't sell his soul)

For the guy who said 'Jay-Z stays consistently hot with the times'

Wrong, Jay-Z stays consistently makin music for the mass market, real hip hop fans dont taste with MTV's.. Nas stays sellin n he dont have to bend over n let commercial demands lube up and fuck him to do that.. Jay-Z is a puppet, his main goal inlife is makin money, I can respect that, but when money comes over rap, your overall rap standing is bound to suffer...

Missed off Rakim, foolish

Royce has a shout but I dont think he's proven himself enough yet, Rock City was very average n Death is Certain is by no means classic

lets c, 2pac, piggy, police cent, eazy, dre, snoop, X, ice cube ext ext

I dunno why some fools say that Young Buck, Lloyd Banks and other faggots like that are better than Jay-Z. They shouldn't be allowed to suck jay's dick.

Aceyalone- Worst underground rapper
Afrika Bambaataa- Pioneer. Arguable.
Akrobatik- Wack
Apathy- Can't even last with Jay's signing(ie. Grafh)
AZ- Nah....
Big Daddy Kane- Arugable
Big L- Okay. 1.
Big Pun- Very arguable
Brother Ali- Fuck no
Canibus- Arguable
Common- Arguable. Hell, Hay gave the man props.
Copywrite- Much as I like Copy, no. And even Copy said the only person he would wanna collab with is Jay.
Del the Funkee Homosapien- I like Del, but no.
Eminem- Hell no. Eminem is one of the most overrated rappers of all time, just 'cause he's White. Copywrite= Way Sicker Than Him.
Ghostface Killah- No. I love the Wu, but not.
Guru- Arguable.
Grandmaster Flash- Pioneer. Arguable.
GZA/Genius- Love the Wu, but no.
Ice Cube- Hell no!!
Ill Bill- 'Cause him and Necro rap about stabbing people to death? He's not sick, he's just pyscho.
Immortal Technique- Give him some time, maybe.
Jadakiss- Give him some time, maybe.
Kool G Rap- Pioneer. Arguable.
Kool Keith- No
KRS-One- No
Lloyd Banks- Hell no. You obviously haven't heard how easily Jay could smash G-Unit.
Masta Ace- Ehh...No
Method Man- Love MEth, but no.
MF Doom- Hell no, that fatback wack fucker.
Mos Def- Give him some time.
Mr. Lif- No. Mr Lif gets no props for biting Guru.
Nas- No. Hell no!
Notorious B.I.G.- That's 2 correct. But even Biggie said Jay was the best behind him.
Obie Trice- WTF are you smoking? Crystal meth? He's not even better than Em.
Pharoahe Monch- No. I love Monch, but no.
Q-Unique- No!
Raekwon- See Ghostface.
Rakim- Arguable, but Rakim>Nas.
Ras Kass- NO!!!
Redman- Ehhh....Nah..
Royce da 5'9- No
Slick Rick- Arguable
Talib Kweli- Kweli is one of my idols and faves, but not yet though.
Tech N9ne- WTF? Tech Nine is garbage. He's the worst, I take back what I stated about
Tupac Shakur- No. Tupac=overrated as fuck. He was just emotional.
Vast Aire- I like Can Ox, but hell no..
Xzibit- I like X to the Z, but no.


Cmon Now, ya just looking 4 excuses, "give him some time", "arguable", "love him but No" Jay z is ill but most of dem peops R alot betta

^shut da fuck up german basterd

I dunno why some fools say that Young Buck, Lloyd Banks and other faggots like that are better than Jay-Z. They shouldn't be allowed to suck jay's dick.

Thank you. I only place like 5 peeps in Jay's class.

Biggie, Big L, Rakim, Tupac, and the Illmatic version of Nas..

a coupe mo then that though?!

Nas
Eminem
2Pac
Biggie

nas
pac
big
pun
em
big l
crooked i-hes sick
cassidy is up there with jay

..............................blah

consistant?

Drop it like its hot remix......... nuff said

consistant?

Drop it like its hot remix......... nuff said

One song? Out of hundreds? Good job, dumbass. Consistent as in albums.

Why do people get offended so easily by Jay-Z? I mean he's one of the best to do it. But anyone with common sense knows theirs rappers better...

It's a lot of hype about how Jay' sucks. To tell the truth I bet a lot of people listen' to him. Jay-Z is cleary on the greatest rappers of all time list. His album 'Kingdom Come' went gold in 1 week then later on platinum. So I don't see what the problem is with Jay-Z. Half of the rappers posted havent even come close to achieving the things Jay' has, nor sold as many records !!! But to answer the thread I'll put 'Big L, Big Pun, BIG.' Just put the best 3 Big's.

It's like this...people diss Jay because they like somebody more and hate the fact that people think Jay is the best to ever do it. A lot of other people just hate him because people like him, and they think by liking him they are following the group and selling out. Truth be told I think Jay-Z is greatest rapper to ever live, I'm not gonna argue with anybody about it because it's impossible, we're all stubborn. Nobody can sit there and say that Jay-Z sucks I don't care who the fuck you are because you know your wrong...you can say you don't like him, you can say that somebody's better...but to say Jay-Z sucks is un-Hip-Hop....sorry now to answer the question...if I had to say someone was in comp with Jay it would be

Nas
Big L
Biggie
Wayne


-Op

jay is one of the greatest all-time....my opinion is...

pac
nas
big l
jay

Wayne ISNT But

Big L
Nas
Kanye West
Joe Budden

- Nas
- Chino' XL
- BIG
- Ali Vegas
- Blackalicious
- Canibus
- LL Cool J
- Joe Buddens
- Big L
- Big Pun
- Vakill
- Celph Titled
- Louis Logic
- Pumpkinhead
- Elohim Marino
- Shinobi
- Awar
- Atmosphere
- AZ
- Bad Seed
- Common
- Common Sense
- Copywrite
- Cormega
- Dom Pachino
- Pharoah Monch
- Hell Razah
- Heltah Skeltah
- Wu-Tang
- EMPD
- Raks One
- Eminem
- Rakim
- Eric B
- Evidence
- Germ General
- ICON THE MIC KING
- Ishues
- J-Zone
Enough, I'm Tired Theres Ton's

^^^^Meat no nothin for sayin Common and Common Sense...and your a fool for thinkin theyre all better than Jay....and I know your a fuckin retard for sayin LL Cool J is better, or your gay...I tell you what, you pick, are you retarded or are you gay?

Some of you n*ggaz are trippin postin names that don't even belong on the same page as Jay. Who's dumb enough to say that LL is better than Jay-Z or Lil wayne for that matter. I'm sure there are rappers better than Jay at certain aspects of rap, but overall he is the best rapper alive... him or Nas!

Tech N9ne is da best !

It's like this...people diss Jay because they like somebody more and hate the fact that people think Jay is the best to ever do it. A lot of other people just hate him because people like him, and they think by liking him they are following the group and selling out. Truth be told I think Jay-Z is greatest rapper to ever live, I'm not gonna argue with anybody about it because it's impossible, we're all stubborn. Nobody can sit there and say that Jay-Z sucks I don't care who the fuck you are because you know your wrong...you can say you don't like him, you can say that somebody's better...but to say Jay-Z sucks is un-Hip-Hop....sorry now to answer the question...if I had to say someone was in comp with Jay it would be

Nas
Big L
Biggie
Wayne


-Op

To Say Wayne Is Better Then Jay Is Un Hip-Hop.

wayne kisses men, he could never be the best rapper alive. IMO Rakim or Saigon

Crooked I
Eminem (killed Him On Renegades)
Nas
Biggie
2pac
Big L
Scarface
Yall Might Think So But Luda

Lil Weezy is better than Jay-z

agreed


actually, i'd say way better

then again i hardly even consider jay-z a rapper

how is nas NOT better than gay-z? I like gay-z but i would have him towards the end of my top ten to be honest.

pac, biggie, nas, big l are all way ahead of jay in my mind. So i wouldnt have jay any higher than 5th at absoloute best.

Nas
Rakim
GZA
Andre 3000
Big Pun
Big L
Too Poetic

Jay Z has this unique way of rapping man, like alotta rappers these days got mad skills, but even if they lyrics are hot, flows tight, they sometimes still reflect qualities that OTHER rappers have shown or still have from the past or present.

big l

good lord...

1. big l was not better than jay is now...
2. eminem killed him on renegades but he made the beat structure around his verse and that track was for royce 2 be featured (can find the link to prove that)
3. wayne has said in xxl that he wants to be compared to the best rapper alive which is jay z and thats y he aint worried bout ti callin himself the king of the south
4. do not compare immortal technique or any other backpacker with jay z.... its two completly different styles and hov can go there too... but y???

stop it

The thing with jay z is that he's great at everything but not the best at anything.

hm...i think hes on of the best,whos better? :D

i's say
1.biggie
2. big L
3. andre 3000 naw but he is a jay of his calibre of shit
4. nas and jay heads or tails take you pick
5. rakim based on his pioneering shit

thats it all id believe to be above jay 3 maybe 4 of those 5 but atleast all to be equal

Crooked I..
Nas. Obviously.
Rakim..Obviously

Chino XL
Prodigy
Big Pun

none..

none are as versatile and successful

to me being the best isnt about spitting a whole bunch of complex metaphors that noone gives a fuck about, but by being relevant.. Jay been relevant, consistent, watever u wanna call it.. since 1996

he drop d-boy songs, girl songs, club songs, lyrical songs, bling bling songs.. u name it he rapped it, except shitty horrorcore and the like, and hes good at all, while alot of artists are only good at 1, maybe 2 aspects of rappin

Forgot About Pun..

hmm i say.......biggie,andre 3000,jadakiss,nas,eminem,canibus & krs-one......those are the rappers i think could challenge him

eminem definately killed jay on renegade ..

Big L
Big Pun
Biggie
2Pac
Rakim
Prodigy
Havoc
Sticky Fingaz
Sonsee
Fredro Starr
Ja Rule
Ras Kass
Royce 5'9"
Eazy-E
Raekwon
Nas
Jadakiss
Cormega

Don't feel like naming any but there's a few. ;D

Crooked I hasn't even dropped a album
Immortal tech is a good lyricist and thats all he has going for him.. try again kiddo

Big Pun=1 fucking album.
Biggie=Debatable
2Pac=maybe
Rakim=Yes
Prodigy=no
Havoc=no
Sticky Fingaz=no
Sonsee=no
Fredro Starr=no
Ja Rule=Omfg are u kidding me?
Ras Kass=no
Royce 5'9"=maybe
Eazy-E=didn't even write his own lyrics
Raekwon=maybe
Nas=yeah
Jadakiss=No
Cormega=Ur a joke

Big Pun=1 fucking album.
Biggie=Debatable
2Pac=maybe
Rakim=Yes
Prodigy=no
Havoc=no
Sticky Fingaz=no
Sonsee=no
Fredro Starr=no
Ja Rule=Omfg are u kidding me?
Ras Kass=no
Royce 5'9"=maybe
Eazy-E=didn't even write his own lyrics
Raekwon=maybe
Nas=yeah
Jadakiss=No
Cormega=Ur a joke