http://www.cormegasite.com/lake/lakeythekid.mp3





listen,
that negro Nas aint giving no love back to the hood, he sleeping on Queens

he could of brought up nuff heads and he showed them the middle finger

http://www.cormegasite.com/lake/lakeythekid.mp3





listen,
that negro Nas aint giving no love back to the hood, he sleeping on Queens

he could of brought up nuff heads and he showed them the middle finger

That's all fucked up if true... dude is just stepping on his people.... kinda the same complaints Cory had about him...

I have heard Nas and Lake on the same track, I just don't remember when or where?

None of this affects my opinion of his lyrical abilities however.

no doubt..........still respect him as an emcee, but not as a person



and yeah it is true..........Lake was going to get signed, all Nas had to do was co-sign, sorta give his approval, or put in a good word.........and he said fuck you

much like Puff had to say that Shyne was a good person and never intended to shoot no one but instead said Shyne is just a worker for him under his label and he doesnt even know him....

now Lake loses an opportunity and Shyne doing 10 years
all cause ratbitches aint loyal no more

Wow....that seemed like a desparate attempt to get some attention. Look man, you can't give everyone a chance to shine. I lot of it sounds like it is made up. I don't know the ends and outs but he sounds jealous. And we all know what those type of ppl do.

lol, I really dont think you know who Lakey is nor the situation........



making it up ?

you mean all the names he made up ?
all the events he referred to he made up ?
he made it all up against someone he's known for such a long time ?

Lakey doesnt need to be jealous, he has his own entertainment company

He could of however been in a position where he could help his people even more then he already does. But Nas denied him that opportunity to grow.

Damn.... Can't really argue with that, other than that we only hearin half of the story there.. But there's a lotta peoples said Nas aint give back to the hood or stayed loyal to those aorund him.. Just another reason why Cormegas the uncrowned King, a mans man, a rappers rapper.

Who knows the truth about what happened. We got one side of a story. Doesn't matter to me. I heard some of Cormega's stuff it still aint better than most of Nas' collection. Like I said we are hearing one side of a story and we can only go by hearsay.

Who knows the truth about what happened. We got one side of a story. Doesn't matter to me. I heard some of Cormega's stuff it still aint better than most of Nas' collection. Like I said we are hearing one side of a story and we can only go by hearsay.

Guess its a matter of opinion but Cormega is in no way shape or form outdone by Nas except in terms of record sales, n that in part is Nas' fault anyway. And some time on Rikers Island for Mega

Guess its a matter of opinion but Cormega is in no way shape or form outdone by Nas except in terms of record sales, n that in part is Nas' fault anyway. And some time on Rikers Island for Mega

I'm sure you concur, record sales don't mean shit anyway.

I own all of Mega's albums and I listen to them frequently. Just as much as I listen to Nas' shit. I just don't see how anyone can feel that Mega has a better vocabulary, wordplay, imagery, story telling, flow, or just straight up lyrics when compared to those of Nas.

I would agree that Mega has better beat selection, more street credit, is more real and true to the form over Nas... but as a poet... I just can't see it.

Taste is always a matter of opinion and therefore I can respect everyone's,(except Jay-Z dick riders I hate them), but Nas > Mega as a lyracist in my mind is factual.

Peace

And besides the fact he got cut from the Firm looked like it was his fault to me. It seems that wherever someone makes it to stardom that the ppl they associate with think they are supposed to go too. It doesn't work like that. Yea it would be a nice thing to do for someone but I wouldn't feel obligated. Like I said I don't know all the circumstances or whatever, and I dont know any of these people personally.

true enough........I only know one side of the story but thats because Im on 'that' side of it. I respect Nas as a artist, but Cormega and squad more as 'people'.
If y'all got any personal questions to either him or Lake I can relay them, and bearing their not stupid, he'll asnwer them and I'll come back with it.


Nas prolly has his own side, but once again......look at the situation.


Lakey had a record deal on the table. All that he needed was a co-sign (a common procedure in the record industry). Basically it means the label has this artist in front of him and there is a nice buzz to him but for all they know it could be bullshit, so you bring in a guy like Nas, who's established, and have him say, YEAH, Lakey that negro, he real with it, he bout bout it, he dont fuck around. THATS IT. All you do is put in a good word.


Why couldnt Nas do this for a childhood friend ?







Escora............quote me anything from Nas, in terms where he stands out lyrically, and I'll quote Mega. We can play this all day long because I listened to both artist A LOT and Mega is by far superior in every category other then 1 I will agree with, his flow. Mega doesnt have a flow as smooth as Nas, though nowadays that consensus is evening out. Remember, The Testament was recorded in 95-96.....but it only got put out in 2005, so everyone knocking on Mega's flow but not realizing it's nearly 10 years old. Back then, it was up to date if not beyond its time, not to mention the God had just come out of prison.




And last point..............Cormega is the MOST consistent rapper out of Queens, if not anywhere.


personal ratings

The Realness (4.5 mics)
True Meaning (4.25 mics)
Legal Hustle (4 mics, this was more of a compilation/mixtape though yet it still was one of the top releases of 2004)
The Testament (4.5 mics)



Mega NEVER released a bomb like Nastradamus.
Mega has 3 official albums out, 2 of them which can be argued with validity that they are Classics......and I mean TRUE Classics.



once Urban Legend LP comes out in the Fall........thats it, it's over. Mega gonna be King of NY, without a doubt.



che

Escora............quote me anything from Nas, in terms where he stands out lyrically, and I'll quote Mega. We can play this all day long because I listened to both artist A LOT and Mega is by far superior in every category other then 1 I will agree with, his flow. Mega doesnt have a flow as smooth as Nas, though nowadays that consensus is evening out. Remember, The Testament was recorded in 95-96.....but it only got put out in 2005, so everyone knocking on Mega's flow but not realizing it's nearly 10 years old. Back then, it was up to date if not beyond its time, not to mention the God had just come out of prison.

Mega NEVER released a bomb like Nastradamus.
Mega has 3 official albums out, 2 of them which can be argued with validity that they are Classics......and I mean TRUE Classics.

once Urban Legend LP comes out in the Fall........thats it, it's over. Mega gonna be King of NY, without a doubt.

che

Just for the record; I'm not hating on Mega - he def. gets my respect and his music has always been good enough for me to go out and actually purchase as oppose to download. Whenever he is set to release something I always wait eagerly in anticipation.

I agree, Nas has bombed numerous tracks and arguably flopped the entire aforementioned album; 'Nastradamus.' Nas definitely isn't a perfect MC - very few are.

As you stated, Mega has "arguably" released two classic albums and you'll kick up a fuss in the rap community gaining large support for this no matter how valid your points are (IMO). Nas on the other hand, has undisputably dropped three classic albums in his career that most rap heads will undeniably recognize (IMO). Now of course, we can go off on a tangent and argue on the length of the respective careers, influential forces, and blockades of such that lead up to the discrepency.

I'm down for this verse for verse thing... you go ahead and recite what in your opinion is a great Mega verse and I'll recite what in my opinion is a better Nas verse. The problem is - who is going to vote on it? hahahaha No one on this board qualifies except for you and FNOM and I already know which way both of your votes will sway.

One Love, I Gave You Power, Book of Rhymes, Rewind, One Mic, Fetus, Undeying Love, - Mega just doesn't have this type of versatility in his arsenal.

okay..........give me a minute, I'll get some stuff and this is more for our own viewing then anyone's opinion on the matter...........at the end of the thread (I"ll make a new one called Nas vs. Cormega) we'll prolly come to realize that their both grade A lyricists and neither is superior to each other, unless maybe by a milimeter


3 classics ?


Illmatic without a doubt

then argueably

Stillmatic.....and uh ?

It Was Written is very dope to me, I'd give it a 4.5 mics

but look..........if Illmatic is a classic, then how can any other album be considered a classic if NONE of them are remotely close to the level that Illmatic is....know what I mean..........you would have to place Illmatic in a higher category because they cant be in the same

God's Son, Street Disciple, It Was Written are all very good albums
but I wouldnt call them classics


I cite The Realness as a classic, well no need to explain myself
and The Testament simply because not only is it a very good album, but the history behind it is what pushes it to classic status. A classic album not only has to be very good and have no skipable tracks, but also needs to have some kind of impact or influence or history to it that makes it special..........no albums other then Illmatic and Stillmatic really have that aura attached to them

okay..........give me a minute, I'll get some stuff and this is more for our own viewing then anyone's opinion on the matter...........at the end of the thread (I"ll make a new one called Nas vs. Cormega) we'll prolly come to realize that their both grade A lyricists and neither is superior to each other, unless maybe by a milimeter


3 classics ?


Illmatic without a doubt

then argueably

Stillmatic.....and uh ?

It Was Written is very dope to me, I'd give it a 4.5 mics

but look..........if Illmatic is a classic, then how can any other album be considered a classic if NONE of them are remotely close to the level that Illmatic is....know what I mean..........you would have to place Illmatic in a higher category because they cant be in the same

God's Son, Street Disciple, It Was Written are all very good albums
but I wouldnt call them classics


I cite The Realness as a classic, well no need to explain myself
and The Testament simply because not only is it a very good album, but the history behind it is what pushes it to classic status. A classic album not only has to be very good and have no skipable tracks, but also needs to have some kind of impact or influence or history to it that makes it special..........no albums other then Illmatic and Stillmatic really have that aura attached to them

Illmatic, It Was Written, & Stillmatic. (If the Losts Tapes were an album as opposed to a collection, I would of considered it a classic as well).

You make very valid points that are difficult to disprove. Just a couple of things: I just don't think it's fair to solely benchmark Nas' post 1994 releases to Illmatic. Nothing Nas could ever release from that day forward can ever be as influencial as his debut release. The lyrics, the flow, the state of mind had already been introduced. The same could be said of many artists from Jay-Z, to KRS, to Big, to Rakim, the list goes on and on.

Like you eluded to in the "Illmatic versus Reasonable Doubt" thread... it's difficult to benchmark albums that were released during seperate era's of Hip-Hop. In my opinion, if you consider and compare It Was Written and Stillmatic to other releases - then they must be considered classics during their respective time frames.

Lastly, as implied, our definition of "classic" differ slightly. I consider The Chronic 2k classic - yet - there was nothing lyrically "ground breaking" or "influential" about it.

Peace

^^^^Pretty damn good arguments from both sides...


But as Esocra already pointed out, my side is chosen... The entire aura of Cormega himself and the history surrounding him admittedly has a part to play in him being my No.1 rapper. But course you're gonna have a different perception of someones lyrics when you feel you have an understanding of them, Cormega lays his heart on a track Nas lays his thoughts, thats probably the defining factor seperating them. The Realness is the best album since the turn of the century, one of the best hip hop albums ever. The True Menaing in my opinion is classic too, I play that over It Was Written.. I still aint heard the whole of the Testament but from what I have heard, n what Ive heard about it thats gunna be a classic too. And in Cormegas own words Urban Legends is going to be his best album to date... That'll be 4 classics released in four years, with one of them having been recorded the previous decade... Nas' undeniable classics in my eyes are Illmatic and Stillmatic, all of his others excluding Nastradamus and to a lesser extent I Am.. are brilliant hip hop albums, but not classics.

Anyway I could talk about this shit all day but it's Friday night Im out..

Esocra you make a very good argument, about 6 months Id have been agreein with you cos I was stuck between the two myself, but like The Spectrum said, Cormega will be the King of New York wether the media accepts it or not...

^^^^Pretty damn good arguments from both sides...


But as Esocra already pointed out, my side is chosen... The entire aura of Cormega himself and the history surrounding him admittedly has a part to play in him being my No.1 rapper. But course you're gonna have a different perception of someones lyrics when you feel you have an understanding of them, Cormega lays his heart on a track Nas lays his thoughts, thats probably the defining factor seperating them. The Realness is the best album since the turn of the century, one of the best hip hop albums ever. The True Menaing in my opinion is classic too, I play that over It Was Written.. I still aint heard the whole of the Testament but from what I have heard, n what Ive heard about it thats gunna be a classic too. And in Cormegas own words Urban Legends is going to be his best album to date... That'll be 4 classics released in four years, with one of them having been recorded the previous decade... Nas' undeniable classics in my eyes are Illmatic and Stillmatic, all of his others excluding Nastradamus and to a lesser extent I Am.. are brilliant hip hop albums, but not classics.

Anyway I could talk about this shit all day but it's Friday night Im out..

Esocra you make a very good argument, about 6 months Id have been agreein with you cos I was stuck between the two myself, but like The Spectrum said, Cormega will be the King of New York wether the media accepts it or not...

Heart over thoughts = I can relate to, understand, and definitely respect that. I can hear the heart in the delivery. I admit as well, Mega is definitely more real to the game and hungrier to make his mark. As far as him being the King of NY with his next CD - that'll remain to be seen. He will have to dwarf his previous releases as well as the releases of his counterparts including Nas. Time will tell.

Chronic 2001 was the biggest album of the year and part of a collective where Dre and Eminem had rap in a CHOKEHOLD. No arguing that. Hence it can be called a classic because of its influence and just mass exposure. When Chronic 2001 was released it was just nuts, it was the talk of everything, it was played by everyone, it didn't fade out in a month but lingered around the whole year. Dre ruled hip hop that year thanks to his effort. For that, he gets a classic title.

You have to look on an outside angle when considering what is a classic album. How it is percieved is the most important things. I can name you 100 albums that are better in quality but are not classics.




che

Chronic 2001 was the biggest album of the year and part of a collective where Dre and Eminem had rap in a CHOKEHOLD. No arguing that. Hence it can be called a classic because of its influence and just mass exposure. When Chronic 2001 was released it was just nuts, it was the talk of everything, it was played by everyone, it didn't fade out in a month but lingered around the whole year. Dre ruled hip hop that year thanks to his effort. For that, he gets a classic title.

You have to look on an outside angle when considering what is a classic album. How it is percieved is the most important things. I can name you 100 albums that are better in quality but are not classics.

All true, except, I don't see how the Chronic 2K album was influential and aided the progression of Hip-Hop in any way shape or form.

If memory serves me correct, when It Was Written dropped, the only other album to attain classic status in this era was Raekwon's Cuban Linx. If this album is considered a classic, It Was Written must be since it was filled with better lyrics, concepts and creativity.

^^^ Not a great album - but it's just the way I see things. Rae's album has nothing on It Was Written except better promotion and record sales... this shouldnt be the determining factor for achieving classic status.

you just opened a whole other can of worms


Cuban Linx vs. It was Written




damn, dont know if we can do that

first of Cuban Linx was dropped in 95, I would still link it closer to the 94 sound simply based on its raw sound and production

It was written was 96 and the beats was a lot more sophisticated and was sort of the first album that kind of broke away from the 94 sound

and those two things are just on different levels..........you cant compare, I wont even try to get into it

however for arguments sake, I would give the nod to Cuban Linx........thats a top 3 of all time Wu Tang album, no small feat

~~~

Chronic 2001 wasnt influential or progressed hip hop but still had things on lock. I mean who achieves that nowadays ? The rappers of today were influenced by the rappers of the 80's......gotta go 12-15 years back, so its influence wont show up immediately yet. And in terms of progress, I think hip hop has reached in pinnacle in terms of growth. Its now 24 years old and has stopped growing, is independent from its parents and now looking for mates, plant its seed. Know what I mean.

In terms of innovation, I dont know what else is to add. In terms of mainstream acceptance, well no need to go there. Like I said, hip hop is past its teenage years.

you just opened a whole other can of worms


Cuban Linx vs. It was Written




damn, dont know if we can do that

first of Cuban Linx was dropped in 95, I would still link it closer to the 94 sound simply based on its raw sound and production

It was written was 96 and the beats was a lot more sophisticated and was sort of the first album that kind of broke away from the 94 sound

and those two things are just on different levels..........you cant compare, I wont even try to get into it

however for arguments sake, I would give the nod to Cuban Linx........thats a top 3 of all time Wu Tang album, no small feat

~~~

Chronic 2001 wasnt influential or progressed hip hop but still had things on lock. I mean who achieves that nowadays ? The rappers of today were influenced by the rappers of the 80's......gotta go 12-15 years back, so its influence wont show up immediately yet. And in terms of progress, I think hip hop has reached in pinnacle in terms of growth. Its now 24 years old and has stopped growing, is independent from its parents and now looking for mates, plant its seed. Know what I mean.

In terms of innovation, I dont know what else is to add. In terms of mainstream acceptance, well no need to go there. Like I said, hip hop is past its teenage years.

Well said.

Your boy Mega is featured on It Was Written, are you absolutely sure you don't wish to include this album on your list of classics? I mean, it's probably the only classic Mega will ever spit on. OHHHHHHHHHH! HAHAHAHA! Just kidding man - low blow - I could not resist.

In all seriousness, It Was Written is more than just a great album to me. I understand your points, but in my mind I cannot classify it otherwise. Maybe we'll have a Rapworld's useless poll about this topic some day?

ONE.

hey dont get it wrong........It Was Written is my favourite Nas album

but I make the distinction between personal preference and mathematics

I started reading the debate y'all got then I got tired, maybe this forum needs a new "Debate" section.

or more people that aren't ignorant and know what their talking about.


If you was up on it in the beginning you wouldnt get tired.
I hate catchign interesting threads to and there is already like 30 replies to it.