View Full Version : Another 16 Dead (Is it even a surprize anymore?)


Dras
07-01-2005, 05:04 AM
KABUL, Afghanistan - All 16 U.S. troops on a special forces helicopter were killed when the chopper was shot down by insurgents, the U.S. military said Thursday after rescuers recovered the bodies from the wreckage in a mountainous ravine.

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The MH-47 Chinook helicopter went down Tuesday in eastern Afghanistan while ferrying troops to a battle against militants — the deadliest single blow to American forces who ousted the Taliban in 2001 for harboring al-Qaida and are now grappling with an escalating insurgency.

"At this point, we have recovered all 16 bodies of those servicemen who were onboard the MH-47 helicopter that crashed on Tuesday," Lt. Gen. James Conway, director of operations for the Joint Chiefs of Staff, told reporters at the Pentagon.

The dead on the helicopter included eight Navy SEALs and eight Army air crew, a U.S. official said in Washington.

Authorities initially reported 17 people were on board, but the manifest included a person who apparently missed the flight, military officials said.

Conway said the military did not yet have a full account of all ground troops involved in the operation, although "we do not have any people classified as missing at this point."

He would provide no details when asked what was known about the troops on the ground that the helicopter was sent to aid.

"I can only say that it is an ongoing operation in that context, and we don't have full accountability nor will we until such time as the operation is complete," he said.

Rescuers reached the crash site Thursday, about 36 hours after the chopper went down in high mountains near the town of Asadabad, close to the border with Pakistan, U.S. military spokesman Lt. Col. Jerry O'Hara told The Associated Press.

A purported Taliban spokesman, Mullah Latif Hakimi, claimed the group shot down the helicopter, and also said there was video of the attack. No video has been released, however, and the spokesman could not be reached Thursday.

Conway said it appears an unguided rocket-propelled grenade hit the chopper. He called it "a pretty lucky shot against a helicopter."

He said it appears the troops on board died during the crash and not during a fight on the ground afterward.

A storm that hampered rescuers from reaching the wreckage Wednesday was over Thursday. Recovery operations also were hindered by the rugged terrain of the remote crash site, which could be reached only by foot, and by continued fighting with militants.

O'Hara said "there are still bad guys in the area" around the crash site and that troops were having to "do a recovery and a tactical operation at the same time."

Only eight months ago, Afghan and U.S. officials were hailing a relatively peaceful presidential election as a sign that the Taliban rebellion was finished. That bravado has been yet another casualty in a war some feel could escalate into a conflict on the scale of Iraq's.

The loss of the helicopter follows three months of unprecedented fighting that has killed about 465 suspected insurgents, 43 Afghan police and soldiers, 125 civilians, and 45 U.S. troops, including the 16 killed in Tuesday's crash. Afghan and American officials have predicted the situation will deteriorate before legislative elections in September.

The remnants of the former Taliban regime have stepped up attacks, and there are disturbing signs that foreign fighters — including some linked to al-Qaida — might be making a new push to sow mayhem. Afghan officials say the fighters have used the porous border with Pakistan to enter the country, and officials have called on the Pakistani government do more to stop them.

The crash was the second of a Chinook helicopter in Afghanistan this year. On April 6, 15 U.S. service members and three American civilians were killed when their chopper went down in a sandstorm while returning to the main U.S. base at Bagram.

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20050630/ap_on_re_as/afghan_us_helicopter_crash_17

Multiplaxed,
07-01-2005, 09:47 PM
Interesting... see how no-one replies to threads like these lol..

Anyway, 44 more to... the US army killed 60 'taliban' last week and nothing was mentioned. 16 use soldiers killed and everyone is up in arms. In my opinion, 44 more to go before i'll be pleased.

Vokals
07-01-2005, 09:58 PM
^^ u'd rather see the terrorists live and the troops fighting for lives over here and for iraqi freedom etc etc die..


thats the dumbest shit ever


tell that shit to their families...

Pariah Liberal
07-01-2005, 10:00 PM
this shit is fucked up
we need to just kill there leaders and get the fuck outa there

Multiplaxed,
07-01-2005, 10:00 PM
^ see, that's the ideology drummed into the average american that just because the government funded media claims that someone is a terrorist, which is totally fabricated, the general american public believes they are.

I lived for 4 years on the Afghanistan border when i was a kid and there weren't no dammmmmmmmn terrorists...! You get more gun-related crime and murder in London than you do in Afghanistan.

I would gladly tell their families. I'd simply explain that Mr G. Dubya Bush ordered the unlawful killing of my brothers for no reason and this unlawful killing could not be left untreated in our own country.

(to prof)

Vokals
07-01-2005, 10:03 PM
actually i am in the military and the media is bullshit..this is what i've seen and know through out my command...majority of this shit isnt on the borders anyways...just b.c u havent seen the terrorists when u were a kid a long time ago, doesnt mean they dont/didnt exist

Multiplaxed,
07-01-2005, 10:10 PM
They do not exist and i'll tell you why. If you have ever been to Afghanistan you know that people don't follow the government as the war lords or tribal leaders have more power and they control specific areas. They have private affairs and the tribal leaders rarely communicate with each other, violence is docile. However, what would you do if an American force started to move in on your area and started killing your people?

This is unacceptable a) morally b) religiously c) ethnically because the main attribute of an Afghan is pride and honour and they will fight relentlessly for it.

That's why i do not condemn these killings because i fail to see that the afghan 'terrorists' as you call them are running around the country searching for your little angels, the US army, and killing them. It's a two-way thing which is aggravated by the US. Why is the US still in Afghanistan even after they rigged the elections so they could put their own man in? Does it have something to do with the Afghan drug industry? Haha... It's all about money and greed.

Vokals
07-01-2005, 10:12 PM
your obviously gonna be biased b.c u lived there..and think u know...but your ignorant to the fact, oh well...you've said your views and i said mine..i'm done

Azim
07-01-2005, 11:38 PM
What i don't get is that, when a few us army people die, even if it is one they will put it on the news, yet if they kill 50 odd afgans, who are suposidly terroists, they won't put it anywere on the news, it is like it doesn't matter unless it is US army guy.

PAX DECEPTICVS
07-02-2005, 03:13 AM
What i don't get is that, when a few us army people die, even if it is one they will put it on the news, yet if they kill 50 odd afgans, who are suposidly terroists, they won't put it anywere on the news, it is like it doesn't matter unless it is US army guy.

Thats how propaganda works y'know. Don't report on how many we kill. Yam down our throats on how many they kill. It makes them look like the aggressor.

Dras
07-02-2005, 03:14 AM
What i don't get is that, when a few us army people die, even if it is one they will put it on the news, yet if they kill 50 odd afgans, who are suposidly terroists, they won't put it anywere on the news, it is like it doesn't matter unless it is US army guy.

That pisses me off.................It has something to do with the government the reason why there doing that. OMG one of our troops died! OMG ! and we dont know the hundreds of iraq's they've killed. And people here in the US have families in afgan areas.....think of how they feel.

BIG SIX
07-02-2005, 03:16 AM
http://www.rapworlds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=46656
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Dras
07-02-2005, 03:32 AM
^lmmfao @ six.