C mon you gotta pick one, some ya'll cats talk about you wanna keep it real, and you want the respect http://www.unb.ca/bruns/0001/issue14/entertainment/scarface.jpg

Others talk about they want the money, the jewels and the celebrity.http://www.mtv.com/shared/media/images/artist/123/50_cent/az_official/376x180.jpg =))

Well which one do you prefer? i gotta sya i'm going for the money cause i could give a shit if a nigga liked me or not, as long as my family paid then i'm good. But don't get it twisted i ain't running with 50, jada all day!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You can have both and still not be a commercial sell-out like 50, Puffy, or Jay-Z. The idea is to have the right mix, a balance of the two.

You can have both and still not be a commercial sell-out like 50, Puffy, or Jay-Z. The idea is to have the right mix, a balance of the two.
so who do you think had that mix? i think you gotta pick one and just run with it and then hope the other side excepts you. jay'z didn't sell out and puffy been more of a business man anyway

so who do you think had that mix? i think you gotta pick one and just run with it and then hope the other side excepts you. jay'z didn't sell out and puffy been more of a business man anyway

It depends on how you define "selling-out." I won't throw this debate off on a tangent with the Jay-Z shit - so moving on from that:

Two extremes of the spectrum:

If you have tons of respect, and no success, you're poor through Hip-Hop. The idea here is to at least live comfortably off your talent.

If you have tons of success, and no respect, you're short-term in Hip-Hop. The idea here is to be innovative enough to leave a mark on the art form.

If you love the art, then you want a balance of the two. Status Quo.

Who has had that mix? A lot of MC's - Nas, KRS, Rakim, Big Daddy Kane, MOP, Mobb Deep etc. All are respected lyracists who have made their mark on the game as well as demanded respect from their peers.

Eminem has both.....
But it is agreed by most hip hop heads that his new stuff isn't good....

Anyway Respect anyday...

It depends on how you define "selling-out." I won't throw this debate off on a tangent with the Jay-Z shit - so moving on from that:

Two extremes of the spectrum:

If you have tons of respect, and no success, you're poor through Hip-Hop. The idea here is to at least live comfortably off your talent.

If you have tons of success, and no respect, you're short-term in Hip-Hop. The idea here is to be innovative enough to leave a mark on the art form.

If you love the art, then you want a balance of the two. Status Quo.

Who has had that mix? A lot of MC's - Nas, KRS, Rakim, Big Daddy Kane, MOP, Mobb Deep etc. All are respected lyracists who have made their mark on the game as well as demanded respect from their peers.

MOP doesn't have the success. but they are respected to a degree
i agree with Nas, but then again alotta people are turning on him, fans and other artists. Mobb Depp comes and goes with their success, they still haven't had a record as good as the second album

MOP doesn't have the success. but they are respected to a degree
i agree with Nas, but then again alotta people are turning on him, fans and other artists. Mobb Depp comes and goes with their success, they still haven't had a record as good as the second album

MOP is successful, I don't think either of them two dudes are hustling on Brooklyn streets anymore. What do you think?

Mobb Deep has been very successful, shit, The Infamous has been forever etched into the fabric of Hip-Hop. Having a classic album is definitely a successful quality.

MOP is successful, I don't think either of them two dudes are hustling on Brooklyn streets anymore. What do you think?

Mobb Deep has been very successful, shit, The Infamous has been forever etched into the fabric of Hip-Hop. Having a classic album is definitely a successful quality.
i mean success relative to other artists, not regular cats like us. Because D-12 is garbage but they got more money than alotta people.

edit: ^^^^^^ missed that post

Dont think Scarface & Geto Boys have been real but have realtively good success. I'm not talking huge total sell-out success like eminem, 50-cent. But Scarface is probably rich as fuck.

*Listening to* Gangster of Love

Dont think Scarface & Geto Boys have been real but have realtively good success. I'm not talking huge total sell-out success like eminem, 50-cent. But Scarface is probably rich as fuck.

*Listening to* Gangster of Love
then that means they're stuck in the middle some where

^^^^Yeah your right. I missed your posted.

Heres two extremes.

Freestyle Professors (1994) - One of the Greatest hip hop EPs ever they pressed up 500 records and still didnt sell many of em

Puff Daddy - I'll be missing you (1997) - one of the Shittest rap record ever worldwide success.

Also DITC - Fat Joe their only untalented member and he blows up. So i'm thinking to be a success in the Hip Hop game you gotta be a pile of shit.

Success sounds nice but in the end I'd rather have the respect from others...

Jus like Eminem said on "Im Back":

"I used to give a fuck, now I could give a fuck less/
What do I think of suc-cess?/
It sucks, too much press I'm stressed/
Too much stares two breasts, too upset
It's just too much mess"

^^^^Yeah your right. I missed your posted.

Heres two extremes.

Freestyle Professors (1994) - One of the Greatest hip hop EPs ever they pressed up 500 records and still didnt sell many of em

Puff Daddy - I'll be missing you (1997) - one of the Shittest rap record ever worldwide success.

Also DITC - Fat Joe their only untalented member and he blows up. So i'm thinking to be a success in the Hip Hop game you gotta be a pile of shit.
=))


that's funny but the puffy song was a dedication, so you gotta atleast respect it.

respect because if niggas respect u and what ur music is about theyll buy ur shiut and ull be a sucess but if u just r a instant sucess(like 50) niggas will never respect u

respect because if niggas respect u and what ur music is about theyll buy ur shiut and ull be a sucess but if u just r a instant sucess(like 50) niggas will never respect u

if people hate on you just because you're an instant success then they just plain hating. There's gotta be a legitimate reason for it. And remember, there's two main issues, Mostly white people and women buy CD's, but their not "considered" to be good Judges of "talent", just fans of commercial music. For the most part Black men and young men don't but Cd's in large numbers (these are generalizations) as do the other segments i mentioned, but are "considered" to be good judges of who's "real" or who's "The next big thing", because the artists mainly come from a similar neighborhood. In turn the measure of being respected "won't" translate into the sale of CD's (and vice versa) the Success of Cd's "won't" translate into being respected by the "inner cirlcle" (black youth). This is looking at the whole picture, and there will be "small" exceptions to this. Then, you also have artist that and stuck in between both, and they don't have a "good foloowing from either side