Religious extremists believe all about god. Scientific extremists believe that everything has a logical cause and research.

One example of bothn spectrums would be the big bang. Churches say that God said "Let there be light" meanwhile scientists say "A mass of energy combusted and created the universe as we know it."

Not everyone is one of these 2 extremes, so I'm just askin what y'all believe about God and the Big Bang. If its religious, explain what you believe, if its scientific, explain the theory that you believe. Just discuss.


My opinion on God

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My opinion on God is that there was definately at one point some sort of superhuman beings on Earth. The religions of the world today are at least %80 the same. And I'm not referring to stuff like "God is forgiving" and all, I'm talking about how the myths of ancient gods like Posiedon etc. are similar.

In one Indian religion, there is something similar to how a traitor god gave the humans fire, and was punished for it.

Now think, how could religions from totally different parts of the world, in different sections of time, with no means of travel, come up with the same beliefs about superhuman creatures and miracles etc.? My answer isn't very religious... I believe that its all scientific. There were some type of alien beings that were on our planet at one time. They might have been extraterrestrials, or they could have been a rare breed of species that was here on Earth, that died...




I guess we'll start with the topic that I just explained my belief on... God...

What do you believe about the existance of God?

You're opening a can of worms...

*Waits for arguments to start*

I've researched this when I was looking for a religion....And really my opinion, I think, is too much to type..
Although science and religion are not that far apart anymore...many scientists are leaning towards an ultimate creator...there's too many things they can not explain...

Anyways...
Have fun..
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Well this is a deep thread.. but idk man some of that greek stuff like Apollo and them were kinda there but they belived the gods would like intervine with life here on earth and its never happened...or has it?? i defently believe in God or at least a God i just think he doesnt mess with mortal affairs...

he doesnt mess with mortal affairs...

You're right.

how bout that god created the big bang, and not to take the bible literally

God does his work through people, and if there was a big bang then God created it.

I Belive In God.....

Im Christian...........

^^Mother Theresea lol ;)

Looks like most of y'all are straight religious....... thats cool. I consider myself more scientific, but everyone has their right to an opinion

I'm A Catholic... And Honestly I Have No Idea What Happened... As None Of Us Know For Sure, We Just Have Ideas And Opinions.. I Mean I Don't See How Any Of Us Were Created By One Person Or A Big Bang.. It's Too Widespread To Even Think About.. I Dunno, Anything Is Possible I Guess, But It's So Mind Boggling Of How We All Became.. So I Have No Idea On What Happened..

i wanna hear someones like planned out theory...come on people

You dont even want to get me started

I'm a straight up Atheist, I quite strongly believe in the Big Bang Theory. The idea of all matter in the universe being squashed up into a bubbling tiny ball is quite believable if you ask me. Well more more believable that some man/women creating everything.

-Religion is cool
-I'm not a religious guy
-Science is cool
-But it's boring as hell in school

And..I don't mix the two though I lean more towards the science side when it comes to the creation of earth.

I am very scientific, however science is not my God. I know tons of science and I apply it to my thinking every day. Science however, has its limits.

See, the problem with religion and science is that science relies on facts while religion relies on faith. Both have perfect conclusions and both have many flaws...

See, the problem with religion and science is that science relies on facts while religion relies on faith. Both have perfect conclusions and both have many flaws...

Rep for that shit man

ok it says i gotta spread rep around...whats that mean

*PM me so it doesnt ruin the moment for this thread*

ok well ive always wondered about this when i pondered christianity. so here is how i confront this controverial issue:

u cannot take the old testment literally but u have to see it in a big perspective. lets start with creation: Supposdly God created earth and space in 7 days...as i have said before dont take 7 days literaly, these 7 dayz could be billions of years in "god" years. So the christian creation theory is just a simplification of evolution.

about creating man:
God supposdly created man...and woman to acompany him. But as i have mentioned before, the story on Cain's betrayl reveals an interesting perspective to the bible. Hear is how it goes: Cain and Abel were the sons of Adam and Eve. The brothers tried to impress God and be favored my God. Abel ended up being favored, and Cain became jealous. Cain became so jelous, he killed his brother, but then was banished from Eden. Now from here he continues on to a city, therefore reaveling that there was more sign of HUMAN life.



For me, i beilve in evolution (and God), becuase the 7 day creation (i think) included evolution. But of course i am just oen thought, and what i say can be completely wrong or right. I just try to keep a clear and consise explanation to topics i feel comfortable talking about.

GENISIS 1:1.

































For The People Who Keep Saying They Can't Believe In "One Man/Woman Creating Everything..." God ISN'T Human...Just Hope You Know That...And I'm Laughing At All Of You Trying To Concieve An Idea Of How God Created Everything And WHAT Exactly God Is...God KNOWS That If The Human Mind Were Even In The Slightest Bit Advanced Enough To BEGIN To Fathom The Origin Of HIM, Or The EARTH, That Would Mean We Could 'Figure Out' God...That Ruins The Whole Purpose Of FAITH...I Know This Sounds Dumb, But Sometimes I Just Want To Say..."Stupid Humans..."...Anyway, There's My Two Pennies, And I'm OUT.

^There's a strong example of faith with bad spelling.

Faith is beliving in some thing you dont see. Thats why people with no faith are the ones that will spend an eternity in hell. Cause they dont belive any thing unless they see it. Personaly i dont care what the next nigga beleves in cause my salvation is the only thing im concerned wit.

Actually, faith is act of mearly hoping for the unbelievable.

Prime Example...So G...What Do You Think Will Happen When You Die? Also, Do You Think That Humans Will Continue To Be Born, OVER And OVER Again, For The Rest Of Time?

about creating man:
God supposdly created man...and woman to acompany him. But as i have mentioned before, the story on Cain's betrayl reveals an interesting perspective to the bible. Hear is how it goes: Cain and Abel were the sons of Adam and Eve. The brothers tried to impress God and be favored my God. Abel ended up being favored, and Cain became jealous. Cain became so jelous, he killed his brother, but then was banished from Eden. Now from here he continues on to a city, therefore reaveling that there was more sign of HUMAN life.



For me, i beilve in evolution (and God), becuase the 7 day creation (i think) included evolution. But of course i am just oen thought, and what i say can be completely wrong or right. I just try to keep a clear and consise explanation to topics i feel comfortable talking about.

Cain was the little Vampire kid...and the bottum part is pretty thought through there that makes sense too

Prime Example...So G...What Do You Think Will Happen When You Die? Also, Do You Think That Humans Will Continue To Be Born, OVER And OVER Again, For The Rest Of Time? Lol...prime example? I'm probably the only one on this site that is STILL trying to look for the correct answers to these questions you probably think you know the answers to!

First off, i consider myself neutral because i've led myself into a centered path. Ha, don't point me out if you don't understand me.

LMMFAO If I Don't Understand You? Psh...Like I Said...Prime Example. Anyway, Thanks For Answering My Question, And Not Coming Off As Ignorant As I Thought You Were...:rolleyes:

Religious extremists believe all about god. Scientific extremists believe that everything has a logical cause and research.

One example of bothn spectrums would be the big bang. Churches say that God said "Let there be light" meanwhile scientists say "A mass of energy combusted and created the universe as we know it."

Not everyone is one of these 2 extremes, so I'm just askin what y'all believe about God and the Big Bang. If its religious, explain what you believe, if its scientific, explain the theory that you believe. Just discuss.


It is generally belived that the Big Bang needed immence energy to begin, therefore where did this energy come from? One rational answer could be "God" provided this energy. Thoughout time science and religion havent mixed, religion is using faith to explain the unknown, science believes that everything can be explained using logic and science. I agree with many in this thread, both have their virtues and both have their flaws. I myself have no opinion either way, i have not made my mind up either way and am happy to carry on how i am going. However i do not believe that God is "superhuman" he (or she) will (in my opinion) bear no resemblance to the human race what so ever, i cannot see God even being a "being" as we know it. If "God" exists then he/she will a much higher entity than anything we could possibly imagine. Anyway thats just my thoughts, take them how you want.

I think some of you are thinking of the wrong type of science...

When I say science I don't mean chemicals and shit, I just mean that God and the planets etc. all have a logical explanation, and that it's not that some entity created the planets.


Since we're on this topic........... Anyone read the book called "Angels & Demons" ?

^^^yep i did

LMMFAO If I Don't Understand You? Psh...Like I Said...Prime Example. Anyway, Thanks For Answering My Question, And Not Coming Off As Ignorant As I Thought You Were... See? You expected me to say something about evolution or something similar to that, didn't you?

by g hypActually, faith is act of mearly hoping for the unbelievable.

even if you are correct (which i dont beilve), what is the matter with following the bible even if you dont beilve in God?

by g hypFirst off, i consider myself neutral because i've led myself into a centered path. Ha, don't point me out if you don't understand me.

Here you just addmited to having a "path" but you say you dont beilve in God (or anything). Anyhow what do you think a "neutral" person should deserve when they die?

by imperium If "God" exists then he/she will a much higher entity than anything we could possibly imagine. Anyway thats just my thoughts, take them how you want.

wow dude u just completely contradicted what u said: If "god" exists then HE/SHE (u just inserted an "image" to God which leads to your next statment), will a much higher entity than anything we could imagine.


lmmfao...





keep da peace

even if you are correct (which i dont beilve), what is the matter with following the bible even if you dont beilve in God? Someone once told me the bible is there just to help you get through life by solving problems and executing situations. While we're on the subject it, is it me or does there seem to be more believers with problems (pain, sickness, death, etc) than non believers? Is it because they, the believers, aren't loyal to their god enough? Or is it because the non believers are simple devil toys?
Here you just addmited to having a "path" but you say you dont beilve in God (or anything). Anyhow what do you think a "neutral" person should deserve when they die? Nope. I've never said I didn't believe in him, nor did i ever say i don't believe in him (why people still consider it a "him", i have no idea). As for a neutral person, who knows...we'll just have to take wild guesses on it :).

Abel ended up being favored, and Cain became jealous. Cain became so jelous, he killed his brother, but then was banished from Eden.
Just had to correct this...
They were already kicked out of Eden when the brothers were born...

Nac..I 100% agree with you...and Alc...I 100% agree..Science and Religion DO mix, and people are just starting to realize it...But in this lifetime we will never be able to prove exactly how we all started...Even in science you need faith, in that perspective...

ur right....my bad (easy mistake..)

u get a rep for correctin me

Even in science you need faith, in that perspective...
*cough* science faith = hypothesis

is it me or does there seem to be more believers with problems (pain, sickness, death, etc) than non believers?

That's Not True, But It's Believable...But God Puts Things In Your Way To Test Your Faith...I Hate It When People Act Like Once You Get Saved, Everything Supposedta Be Perfect...That Would Ruin The Whole Point Of Faith Altogether, Dont You Understand? God Needs To See If We Are Really Committed To Him, So If He Throws Some Obstacle Like Sickness Or Pain In Our Way He Needs To Know If We Gon Stick With Him, Or Be Like "Oh, God Must Not Exist Because If He Did, He Wouldn't Let ________________________ Happen..." A Good Example Is When I First Started Talking To Sadistyk, He Said Something Along The Lines Of "When I Was A Christian, I Was Broke, Homeless, Etc...But When I Converted To Islam, Everything Started Going Good..." That Is The MOST Ignorant Thing I've Ever Heard...If Our Lives Were Perfect, Only About 1% Of The Worlds Population Would Be Religious...There Would Be No Need For God, Or A Savior If Everything Was Perfect...When Will People Understand?...

Personally, i'm a scientist, it's my chosen career path. But i'm also a Christian. I believe that the Big Bang was from God's causing. The reason for this is that 'first cause' theory. I can't remember who's theory it is, but basically it says something like "If cause for creation was the Big Bang, then what was the first cause?"
Although it doesn't support religion, i think it shows that there are some things peeps will never be able to explain.

I believe the Bible.

u cannot take the old testment literally...

I do. God created the universe, or everything, in six stages. The bible interprets this as seven days as it was easier for peeps to comprehend. It says nowhere in the Bible that Adam and Eve were the first humans. It actually says that he created men. Adam was the keeper of men who lived in Eden, where God also created Eve. God tested Adam as a representitive of humanity, he failed. Some people say that God lies to Adam and Eve by saying that to eat from the tree of knowledge would mean death. Ultimately it's true because by betraying God Adam, Eve and all people were denied everlasting life. I could go on for years.

Peeps say that the story of Noah is too far fetched. That if the flood killed all of humanity apart from Noah and his family, then we must all be descendants of Noah etc. There is proof that the only land flooded was around the Mesopotamian region of the middle east. And you have to remember that after the tower of Babel people where scattered globally...

Ok, firstly would like to point out that i don't belong to any religous group so my theory is based more on the scientific side of things...

The sun is currently at a stable state which reflects on the earth's population on having a steady state...we have day and night, winter and summer and what not at times we have adjusted towards...but in time, long after we die, the sun will swell and cool right down causing it to become a Red Giant and so forth through a Nova until it reaches the state of a Black Dwarf. Now this seems totally irrelevant at the moment, but whats not to say that all this happened all them billions of years ago before the 'Big Bang'? Maybe the case before was that a larger star went through the phase of being a Supernova to a Black Star...which had an effect on the Big Bang...if this the case then we need to explore what was happening before...i mean was there another species that was similar to a human? But eventually the remaining died out after the lack of sunlight and the Big Bang? That possibly could mean that the same process is happening again now...a continuous cycle and maybe after our Big Bang another species would rise from the effects of chemical reactions and live through billions upon billions with the change in there evolution to ANOTHER Big Bang.....?

^^^ i see where your coming from with a endless cycle, this would fit in with nature as we know it. However you seem to have misinturpreded the "Big Bang" theory. Before the "Big Bang" there was nothing, not like the void of space but just nothing. All the matter in the universe was concentrated at one tiny point and then the "Big Bang" caused it to explode out wards creating the expanding universe that we are living in now (we know it is expanding due to red shift). If it is a cycle then it is possible that the universe will stop expanding and begin to fall back into itself, eventually all the matter in the universe could be concentrated in the same origional spot and another "Big Bang" could create a brand new universe. Howvever the "Big Bang" does not apply to a sun's lifecycle.

Who's to say there was nothing before?

Scientists can predict all they want...but they wern't there..

I made a post here, and it was deleted by somebody... ... ...

SmH @ how immature that was of whomever did it...

Maybe you dreamt it. I do that all the time. It's proper wierd.

^LoL NAW tho cuz Alex said she read it!

LmAo...w/e...

by In Virto: Personally, i'm a scientist, it's my chosen career path. But i'm also a Christian. I believe that the Big Bang was from God's causing. The reason for this is that 'first cause' theory. I can't remember who's theory it is, but basically it says something like "If cause for creation was the Big Bang, then what was the first cause?"
Although it doesn't support religion, i think it shows that there are some things peeps will never be able to explain.

I believe the Bible.


i agree wit dis^^^ (and i think i already said somethin bout the Big Bang..)

by In Vitro:I do. God created the universe, or everything, in six stages. The bible interprets this as seven days as it was easier for peeps to comprehend. It says nowhere in the Bible that Adam and Eve were the first humans. It actually says that he created men. Adam was the keeper of men who lived in Eden, where God also created Eve. God tested Adam as a representitive of humanity, he failed. Some people say that God lies to Adam and Eve by saying that to eat from the tree of knowledge would mean death. Ultimately it's true because by betraying God Adam, Eve and all people were denied everlasting life. I could go on for years.

Peeps say that the story of Noah is too far fetched. That if the flood killed all of humanity apart from Noah and his family, then we must all be descendants of Noah etc. There is proof that the only land flooded was around the Mesopotamian region of the middle east. And you have to remember that after the tower of Babel people where scattered globally...

I dont think you understood the point of my post, which was to tell the people who say "How can Earth be made in 7 dayz!?"
ABotu how some people think that God lied to Adam and Eve about the apple would be death: isnt that true (death), look at all the unnecary deaths that has been caused by that one apple.

About the Noah thing....u learn something new everyday...


by kryp:Ok, firstly would like to point out that i don't belong to any religous group so my theory is based more on the scientific side of things...

^^^that dont matter man, we (at least I) dont care whether ur athiest muslim, christian, jew, or anything else...


by kryp:The sun is currently at a stable state which reflects on the earth's population on having a steady state...we have day and night, winter and summer and what not at times we have adjusted towards...but in time, long after we die, the sun will swell and cool right down causing it to become a Red Giant and so forth through a Nova until it reaches the state of a Black Dwarf. Now this seems totally irrelevant at the moment, but whats not to say that all this happened all them billions of years ago before the 'Big Bang'? Maybe the case before was that a larger star went through the phase of being a Supernova to a Black Star...which had an effect on the Big Bang...if this the case then we need to explore what was happening before...i mean was there another species that was similar to a human? But eventually the remaining died out after the lack of sunlight and the Big Bang? That possibly could mean that the same process is happening again now...a continuous cycle and maybe after our Big Bang another species would rise from the effects of chemical reactions and live through billions upon billions with the change in there evolution to ANOTHER Big Bang.....?

^^^I like that interpritation every much.
Here is how i would look at in Biblicly: God created the suns, the moons, and the stars, along with Earth...now i think everyone can understand that one day there will bbe NO EARTH, becuase of this nova (which will inevitably destroy earth). But i think that God certainly planned this to come and this is why i think the day the Sun blows implodes: it shall be judgement day (the day Yesus returns to save mankind once more and gathers all (earth and hell) to the kingdom of God).





i like all your giys arguments...so im reppin.












peace

Everything happens for a reason...
...but you're not gonna find out why untill you stop breathin :(.

actually there are scientists attempting to prove gods existence through science and quantum physics oftne relates to the power of the mystical...

check out a documentary called"what the bleep do we know"

its dope.. very interesting ideas and theories.. some crazy facts in it too

hey man...i jus went to the movie store and got that movie: ima watch it and tell u what i think......gimmie a few hours

Everything happens for a reason...
...but you're not gonna find out why untill you stop breathin .

You Just Contradicted Yourself. You Said There Was No Creator, And Everything Has A Logical And Scientific Explanation. If That Is So, How Would You Be Able To Find Out Anything Once Your're Dead, If You Don't Believe In God, Or An Afterlife? Shmsh...You Don't Make Any Sense...

You Just Contradicted Yourself. You Said There Was No Creator, And Everything Has A Logical And Scientific Explanation. If That Is So, How Would You Be Able To Find Out Anything Once Your're Dead, If You Don't Believe In God, Or An Afterlife? Shmsh...You Don't Make Any Sense... Once again, you're a dumbass. It's like you took every post besided mine in this thread and said i said it.

^Debate or just leave the matter alone...calling him a dumbass is really immature...
SMH...

^Yes, but this is probably the third time he's said "you said this" when i haven't.

So prove it wrong or if you feel it's a waste of time, don't reply...
Simple..

Actually, You Seem To Be Leaning More Toward The Atheist Side, Seeing As How You're Making More Points Like A Person That Doesn't Believe In God. If You're So Neutral, You Would've Supported Both Sides...RIGHT?

Everything happens for a reason...
...but you're not gonna find out why untill you stop breathin .

and

See, the problem with religion and science is that science relies on facts while religion relies on faith. Both have perfect conclusions and both have many flaws...

Weren't neutral enough for you?

No, The First Quote Isn't Neutral At All...It SUPPORTS A Theory Of Being Able To 'Find Out' Something After You Die...(i.e. Afterlife, Eternal Life, God etc...) An Atheist Point Of View Woulda Said Something Like "Once You Die, That's It"...Like I Said Before, You Weren't Supporting A Religious Point Of View, So I Was Wondering Where That Came From, Because It Didn't Sound Right Coming From You.

See, i'm not trying to support anybody; i'm just trying to find out some damn answers! Every question seems to be answered and then counter-answered once or more. So the way i see it, death is the only answer to all of our questions, whether you're an atheist, christian, or whatever. There are people that turn non believers into believers and believers into hardcore atheist. And shit, how the hell can i choose when both sides are always at each others throats?

LMMFAO Death Is NOT The Answer For Atheists...Maybe For Religious People, But Atheists Usually Try To Figure Out Everything While They're Still Living, Because They See Dying As An END, Unlike Believers...

Even the atheistic have a god. It's usually one of the following (and in this order):
1) Themselves
2) Money
3) Popularity
4) Some person they idiolize (usually for stalker types or those who bounce from temporary obsessions)
5) Sex
6) Drugs
7) Other self-abusing obsessions
8) Science (and contrary to what many would like to say of themselves, few know enough science to have this one)

Since this is the religion and science thread.......

Three scientists, two of them Roman Catholic biologists, have asked Pope Benedict XVI to clarify the church's position on evolution in light of recent statements by Cardinal Christoph Schönborn, an influential theologian, that the modern theory of evolution may be incompatible with Catholic faith.

The scientists asked the pope to reaffirm earlier statements on the subject by Pope John Paul II and others "that scientific rationality and the church's commitment to divine purpose and meaning in the universe were not incompatible." It is crucial, their letter says, "that in these difficult and contentious times the Catholic Church not build a new divide, long ago eradicated, between the scientific method and religious belief."

Lawrence M. Krauss, a physicist at Case Western Reserve University, wrote the letter on behalf of himself and the two biologists, Dr. Francisco J. Ayala of the University of California, Irvine, a former Dominican priest, and Kenneth R. Miller of Brown University, a Roman Catholic who has written on the reconciliation of science and faith.

Cardinal Schönborn's remarks, which appeared Thursday in an essay on the Op-Ed page of The New York Times, were prompted in part by an essay Dr. Krauss wrote in Science Times in May on the compatibility of religion and evolution. The Vatican press office, contacted Tuesday, had no comment on Cardinal Schönborn's article.

Dr. Krauss, who is not Catholic, said yesterday that the letter was en route to Cardinal Schönborn.

In his essay, Cardinal Schönborn said the theory of evolution, as it is understood by scientists today, is not true. He dismissed Pope John Paul's comments on the subject in 1996 as "rather vague and unimportant."

To further my point about what i posted earlier...

There has been archaological evidence that the Sodom & Gommorah calamity did actually happen. Peeps have found deposits of sulpheric rock underground. So yep, i do take the Bible literally.

ok form what ive seen this debate has truned into an argument...which doesn't get anywhere


so keep a steady pace in this "debate" i simple want to say that nobody alive knows what happens after death (its really THAT simple)....you can say whatever you want, beilve whatever you want, but the point still remains that nobody ALIVE knows what happens after death.





now in response to In Vitro: I dont kno if you thought that when I said dont take the bible literally, i meant dont take none of it literally....cuz thats not the case.
Let me rephrase that: People who say that something of someone cant make whole solarsystems in 7 days, need to look at the bible through a different perpective (teh whole God years thing, where one God year could be 1 billion years). That is simple a rebutle for those who say that. Now about taking the bible literaly in other stories throughout the bible, i agree with you completely. I never knew that archaologicalgists found sulpheric rock (cuz that definitely would proove that Lot's wife did infact trun into a pillar of salt).









kinda hard to understand...i kno^^^^ my wording is messed up






peace

::starts danicn n signin::

"she blinded me with science..mmmmmmmmm...mmmmmm""

yall dont know bout that

do i get a response or is that it?

Yeah, i know what you mean bruv.

I thought that Moses wrote 'seven days', because it was an easier interpretation, or maybe because God had said that that was how it happened. Anyway, it's all good.
Peeps have different perspectives. One religion different interpretations. Eazy mate.

ight we in agreement.