Connie Hawkins
He could finish in spectacular ways, and he could make both plain and simple passes. Otherwise, he couldn't shoot, rebound, run, or play defense. How bad was the Hawk's defense? The first time he played in Madison Square Garden, the Suns tried to hide Hawkins' atrocious defense by matching him up with Dick Barnett. Too bad Barnett was so insulted by the ploy that he lit up Hawkins for 35 points. Also, nobody ever accused Hawkins of having a passion to play basketball: He once told the Suns that he couldn't play that night because he had a fever. A doctor was summoned, and Hawkins' temperature registered at 98.9. As a result, Hawkins felt justified to sit on the bench in his civvies. Hawkins was all flash and very little substance.


Elvin Hayes
He could do three things — rebound, block shots, and shoot a high percentage on turnaround jumpers from the left box. He couldn't pass, handle, play honest defense, or hit a clutch shot to get into heaven. In addition, he paid no attention to the basketball alphabet of Xs and Os. All he cared about was "me-ball-basket."


Karl Malone
I've been on this guy's case many times before, and for the same reasons. He found various ways to choke in the 1996 Conference finals and in the 1997 and 1998 Finals — missed free throws, damaging turnovers, ill-advised shots, losing gambles on defense, and so on. In addition, his passing skills and his defense were both overblown, and his assist-turnover ration was a horrendous 5:4. There are only two reasons why Malone is deemed to be an elite power-forward — John Stockton, and longevity.


Bob McAdoo
Here's all anyone needs to know about McAdoo's game: When he played against the Celtics, McAdoo was usually defended by Dave Cowens. Now Cowens was a legitimate tough guy who always played with intensity, power, and courage, and whose rough-house tactics on defense would often approach minor felonies. At the start of McAdoo's matchups with Cowens, B-Mac would assume his favorite position on the left box. Perhaps he'd even get a shot off. Perhaps he'd even get fouled. But Cowens would definitely assault him with elbows, knees, hips, forearms, and fists. By the middle of the first quarter, McAdoo would post-up five feet beyond the box. By the end of the fourth quarter, he'd be looking to receive the ball near the 3-point line. Anything to avoid contact. In other words, McAdoo was nothing more than a big, quick, soft, jump-shooter deluxe.


Pete Maravich
A one-man circus who wouldn't throw a pass unless it was behind the back or through the legs or in one ear and out the other. And his completion rate was barely above .500. His ball-hogging made him unpopular with his teammates, but scored big-time with the media. It's no accident that his teams were always pretenders and never contenders. It also says here that Maravich was the worst defender in NBA history.


Gary Payton
G.P. has always been a shoot-first point guard, favoring post-ups, open middles, and high-and-low screens to locate his shots. He was also a confrontational player, demanding perfection form his teammates and his coaches, but never from himself. Payton's reputation for playing outstanding defense gained him All-Defense honors for nine seasons, and a famous nickname, "The Glove." Even so, during the 1996 Finals, the Chicago Bulls set out to prove something that they already knew — that Payton's rep was mostly bogus. In lieu of playing solid contain defense, Payton routinely gambled for steals at every opportunity, and when he failed he put his teammates in jeopardy. The Bulls limited Payton's room to maneuver by posting Michael Jordan, who had little difficulty catching, shooting, driving, and generally having his way against G.P. Payton's game was, and is, less than meets the eye.


David Robinson
This guy was a cream puff. He could come from the weak-side to block shots, but he couldn't guard his own man. He could rebound, but rarely in a crowd. He could score, but only on foul-line jumpers, or only if a defender bought a head fake after he drove his left hand into the middle. He couldn't pass or handle. He couldn't stand his ground in the paint. And, according to one of his ex-coaches, he never worked on his game in the off-season simply because he really didn't like playing basketball. Had he not played alongside of Tim Duncan, The Admiral would have been lost at sea.


George Gervin
Double-G was a great scorer, smooth and virtually unstoppable. And that's all, folks. He couldn't (or didn't) pass, defend, or rebound. Gervin's idea of team basketball was when a teammate passed him the ball. Of necessity, his San Antonio teams played high-octane offense and flat-tire defense. That's why Gervin never played in a championship series


Patrick Ewing
Had he played out of the spotlight in someplace like Orlando or Salt Lake City, Ewing would be remembered as a jump-shooting center who worked hard. Period. With the adulatory New York fans and media filtering their perceptions through the lens of their need to have heroes to celebrate, Ewing was celebrated as being far better than he really was. In truth, he couldn't handle, pass, move laterally, and do anything worthwhile when an important game was on the line. Moreover, his dim apprehension of what the game was all about precluded any thoughts of being unselfish. Except for the early days of the Mets and the Brooklyn Dodgers, New York sports fans rarely hitch their devotion to a loser like Ewing.



Walt Bellamy
He was lazy, sloppy, soft, selfish, defenseless, and useless in the clutch. The media called him "Big Bells," but his fellow players had another name for him — "Tinker Bell". His career averages of 20.1 points and 13.7 rebounds per game notwithstanding, what's Bellamy doing in the Hall of Fame?



Charles Barkley
The Round Mound of Rebound was never in acceptable game shape. But reporting to one Houston training camp 20 pounds overweight didn't prevent him from chastising his teammates for not being serious about challenging for the championship. Also, he only played defense when the spirit moved him — which was very seldom. These days, he complains about not having played with top-flight teammates — left unsaid, however, is the fact that Barkley's self-involved style of play did nothing to compliment whatever talents his teammates did have. Over the course of his career, Barkley's selfishness and total lack of discipline made him a chronic underachiever

your crazy



thats all I gotta say

not everyone is an all around player
matter fact almost no one is......Kevin Garnet brougth forth an era that demanded complete players but thats only cause their freaks of nature.........you can only knock a guy for that after 1995, anything before that is not fair



Karl Malone

no matter what you say, he has the 2nd most career points in the history
end of argument

David Robinson

the man dropped 70 points in a game once
and he the only person to ever have a quadruple double
end or argument

Patrick Ewing

the whole NY hype is a valid point, but dont take away from a good guy like Ewing
and if you ever watched him in the playoffs with the knicks throughout the 90s
you'd appreciate him a LOT more

Charles Barkley

people forget Barkley was what 6'5 ? 6'6 ? and a All Star PF

nowadays 6'6 is just avg. SG size

Barkley was one of the strongest dudes ever
and yeah he was quite a character ( a clown ) but this man did whatever he wanted to in the paint and had straight hustle points









tsk tsk

why you gotta diss my uncle?

its all the truth

I agree wit all them except Charles Barkley. 6-4 Power foward grabong 20 boards. Come on. David robison 72 points on clippers. Gary Payton, he weak now but he was the nigga in his day.

yeah.......here some REAL over rated players, and modern day ones too cause who the fuck is Walt Bellamy ?



Michael Redd.........cant take over games, maybe on a RARE night he wont miss, but he aint a give-me-the-ball-and-I'll-score-every-damn-time-type player. He aint worth max dollars and I feel iffy with him being a first option. The man got a FUCKED up release. And I never see him drive to the hole.


Radmanovic from Seattle that looks like a savage with the beard and long hair and he pretends like he can drop 3s. that guy is shit, fuck him and his 3 ball, cant believe he demanding like 6 million a year.


Peja.............this year is make or break, but I think he's starting to decline major. He might be able to drop 20 still but he aint an impact player. He'll score 20 but a very quiet 20.



Larry Hughes..........he's going to be a bust in Cleveland. Washington had NO system, thast why he just put up numbers. In Cleveland ya got a system, ya got the worlds most popular player, and ya all of a sudden become like the 3rd option. Bust.

Shaq... =))... No seriously...:p

All I have to do to become a good one is work on my 1v1 Defense and Offense, my shootings pretty good.

dont work on 1v1 u wanna b a good ball player u need 5v5 skills, 5v5 ball is way different from 1v1

5v5 ball is way different from 1v1

yup, playing on a team and playing on the streets is WAY different

I used to think otherwise, and then I would just look lost on the court


If you play 1 on 1, then drive to the hoop EVERYTIME

thats the only beneficial thing you can really gain
because if team plays man on man, then you can take your man to the hole each time
and if someone doubles up or helps out then ya just kick it out and that right there is vintage basketball, it would make Bill Walton proud

Word to Spec's second post... Especially Radman... Inconsistant piece of shit.

Other overrated players:

Dirk Nowitski: He critisized his teammates in the playoffs when he didn't even show up. He was doing well in Finley's absence during the beginning of the '05 season, but he'll have to prove his leadership this year.

Joe Johnson: The Hawks organization is acting like this guy is a hidden gem. He'll be horrible without Steve Nash drawing his defender into the paint and kicking it out to him for the trey. Someone put it best in an interview on hoopshype.com: "$70 Million is too much for anyone not named Shaq, Duncan, or Kobe"

Kenyon Martin: As we saw this year, he's nothing without the J-Kidd...

word........Kenyon Martin is a 2nd rate PF who has nothing going for him but a mean streak



Joe Johnson also agree........is Atlanta run by monkeys ?


Dirk is not over rated.........Mavs was just out of sync and trynna change their identity
and FInley was injured the entire year thats why he wasnt effective last year
if he goes to Miami then damn, that team is gonna be more stacked then Lakers when Malone and Payton joined

The players Professor said are all in the 50 greatest players of all time except Payton.



Kobe Bryant- No doubt he has skills, but I remember people said Kobe reminded them of Michael Jordan. Talk about overrated.

Allen Iverson- Good player who can score, but how many shots does he take to get 30 point?

AI is the shit. Not over rated. I no Mike Vick is not a bball player but he is the most over rated nigga in sports.

^^^Yeah... He only rushed for 902 yards and passed for 2,313 yards last season :rolleyes: .

The most overrated nigga in sports in Terrell Owens. Get the fuck off my TV screen you greedy bitch!

George Gervin
Double-G was a great scorer, smooth and virtually unstoppable. And that's all, folks. He couldn't (or didn't) pass, defend, or rebound. Gervin's idea of team basketball was when a teammate passed him the ball. Of necessity, his San Antonio teams played high-octane offense and flat-tire defense. That's why Gervin never played in a championship series






Dirk Nowitski: He critisized his teammates in the playoffs when he didn't even show up. He was doing well in Finley's absence during the beginning of the '05 season, but he'll have to prove his leadership this year.




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The Iceman? Overrated? Ha...............

And what 7 footer has range besides Dirk?


Anyway, Baron Davis......gets WAYY to much attention. On ESPN one time they were talking him to be some type of great leader and some God when Golden State got him. Im like "wtf, Baron Davis isnt anything but a trash talker with bigger lips than me" Honestly,........he plays the game with his mouth. He uses mind games and he is nothing but arrogant and cocky. No doubt he has skill. But he sure isn't on the all star level.

And the most overrated player of all time goes tooo

*trumpets start*


ANTOINE WALKER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I SWEAR HE CANNOT SHOOT,DEFEND,REBOUND. When he played for Dallas he didnt do jack, Atlanta he didnt do jack, but Boston "Oh Walker is an All-Star" Paul Pierce gives him a boner and he can all the sudden play a bit. He is NOT a leader....he is NOT a prime scorer. He is a support player. I don't know how he made the cover of NBA Live. He turns the ball over at the worst times....he scares me when he even gets the ball sometimes....Because his shot looks so bad. He will score, but he is the most inconsistant bastard on the planet. Oh, and he needs to fuck Paul Pierce in the butt before he does score.

y'all is really nuts



Michael Vick is RAW but he is the truth. He's to the NFL what Garnett is to the NBA. A new breed.


Baron Davis, when healthy, is a top 3 PG in the league.

Kobe is one of the greatest of all time. Y'all forgot when he dropped like 40 + 11 games in a row it was I think.......11 or 7


Antoine aint over rated either because everyone knows he's shit. He aint fooling no one.

How long niggas go think Vick is the shit. Come on now why yall throwing stats out there how about 14 td to 12 picks. How about a 72 passer rating. How about a completion % that was one of the worst in the leauge amonge starters. Yeah he ran for a lot. But shit look at niggas like Randell Cuninham He won 3 mvps and he was the first QB that ran the ball also. But he could actually throw the ball. Vick can throw the ball from LA to the atlantic, buthe wouldnt hit water. No accuracy.

And vick aint a new bread he jus a faster version or steve youge, butthe only diff is young had acuuracy. Vick couldnt hit me if i was standing in front of him

I think of all positions in all sports, QB is by far the hardest to learn and play well

I think we both agree that Vick is a amazing athlete, maybe the best in all of sports
and that he is raw now and relies on his skills and nothing more
but he got the potential

eventually he'll settle down and figure out the whole throwing thing
and get his timing right

after that he'll be unstoppable



I say Vick will be in the hall of fame one day

Nope. Eventually some day. Please, come i must have gave you to much credit. I thought you were actually one of the people that no what they are talking about. You no the nfl dont work like that. You got to be good now, not later. He will settle down. Well this his 5 season. I really dont think that the falcons have time to wait for that to happen

come on son........I prolly know sports as well as anyone on this whole site.
I can talk to you about any sport, any player, and I know my shit.



Michael Vick..........we can agree to disagree and let Time show who had the foresight.


but dont say I dont know what Im talking about
Falcons went from a shitty shitty team, drafted Vick and now for the last 2 years
are division champion contenders and this year they'll prolly win again


and I dont think Vick cant throw. I just think nobody on that team can catch.

^^^Yeah... He only rushed for 902 yards and passed for 2,313 yards last season :rolleyes: .

The most overrated nigga in sports in Terrell Owens. Get the fuck off my TV screen you greedy bitch!

^Terrell Owens is the best reciever in the NFL right now...

EDIT: If he wasn't a baby and injured... (is he still injured? Hmm... I think... =P~ )


Shaq is over rated... he's just huge... it doesn't take much skill when you're his size...

Shaq is over rated... he's just huge... it doesn't take much skill when you're his size...[/QUOTE]

wtf...........................

haha i don't agree with much in this thread expecially what marc quoted haha dissing some of the 50 best of all times smh the shit was prob written by some fat ass reporter while he drank expresso

wtf...........................


The guy is 7 somethin' 300+ lbs... His talent is completely reliant on his height and strength, not any "real" skill like let's say Kobe since he's in your sig.

Connie Hawkins
He could finish in spectacular ways, and he could make both plain and simple passes. Otherwise, he couldn't shoot, rebound, run, or play defense. How bad was the Hawk's defense? The first time he played in Madison Square Garden, the Suns tried to hide Hawkins' atrocious defense by matching him up with Dick Barnett. Too bad Barnett was so insulted by the ploy that he lit up Hawkins for 35 points. Also, nobody ever accused Hawkins of having a passion to play basketball: He once told the Suns that he couldn't play that night because he had a fever. A doctor was summoned, and Hawkins' temperature registered at 98.9. As a result, Hawkins felt justified to sit on the bench in his civvies. Hawkins was all flash and very little substance.


Elvin Hayes
He could do three things — rebound, block shots, and shoot a high percentage on turnaround jumpers from the left box. He couldn't pass, handle, play honest defense, or hit a clutch shot to get into heaven. In addition, he paid no attention to the basketball alphabet of Xs and Os. All he cared about was "me-ball-basket."


Karl Malone
I've been on this guy's case many times before, and for the same reasons. He found various ways to choke in the 1996 Conference finals and in the 1997 and 1998 Finals — missed free throws, damaging turnovers, ill-advised shots, losing gambles on defense, and so on. In addition, his passing skills and his defense were both overblown, and his assist-turnover ration was a horrendous 5:4. There are only two reasons why Malone is deemed to be an elite power-forward — John Stockton, and longevity.


Bob McAdoo
Here's all anyone needs to know about McAdoo's game: When he played against the Celtics, McAdoo was usually defended by Dave Cowens. Now Cowens was a legitimate tough guy who always played with intensity, power, and courage, and whose rough-house tactics on defense would often approach minor felonies. At the start of McAdoo's matchups with Cowens, B-Mac would assume his favorite position on the left box. Perhaps he'd even get a shot off. Perhaps he'd even get fouled. But Cowens would definitely assault him with elbows, knees, hips, forearms, and fists. By the middle of the first quarter, McAdoo would post-up five feet beyond the box. By the end of the fourth quarter, he'd be looking to receive the ball near the 3-point line. Anything to avoid contact. In other words, McAdoo was nothing more than a big, quick, soft, jump-shooter deluxe.


Pete Maravich
A one-man circus who wouldn't throw a pass unless it was behind the back or through the legs or in one ear and out the other. And his completion rate was barely above .500. His ball-hogging made him unpopular with his teammates, but scored big-time with the media. It's no accident that his teams were always pretenders and never contenders. It also says here that Maravich was the worst defender in NBA history.


Gary Payton
G.P. has always been a shoot-first point guard, favoring post-ups, open middles, and high-and-low screens to locate his shots. He was also a confrontational player, demanding perfection form his teammates and his coaches, but never from himself. Payton's reputation for playing outstanding defense gained him All-Defense honors for nine seasons, and a famous nickname, "The Glove." Even so, during the 1996 Finals, the Chicago Bulls set out to prove something that they already knew — that Payton's rep was mostly bogus. In lieu of playing solid contain defense, Payton routinely gambled for steals at every opportunity, and when he failed he put his teammates in jeopardy. The Bulls limited Payton's room to maneuver by posting Michael Jordan, who had little difficulty catching, shooting, driving, and generally having his way against G.P. Payton's game was, and is, less than meets the eye.


David Robinson
This guy was a cream puff. He could come from the weak-side to block shots, but he couldn't guard his own man. He could rebound, but rarely in a crowd. He could score, but only on foul-line jumpers, or only if a defender bought a head fake after he drove his left hand into the middle. He couldn't pass or handle. He couldn't stand his ground in the paint. And, according to one of his ex-coaches, he never worked on his game in the off-season simply because he really didn't like playing basketball. Had he not played alongside of Tim Duncan, The Admiral would have been lost at sea.


George Gervin
Double-G was a great scorer, smooth and virtually unstoppable. And that's all, folks. He couldn't (or didn't) pass, defend, or rebound. Gervin's idea of team basketball was when a teammate passed him the ball. Of necessity, his San Antonio teams played high-octane offense and flat-tire defense. That's why Gervin never played in a championship series


Patrick Ewing
Had he played out of the spotlight in someplace like Orlando or Salt Lake City, Ewing would be remembered as a jump-shooting center who worked hard. Period. With the adulatory New York fans and media filtering their perceptions through the lens of their need to have heroes to celebrate, Ewing was celebrated as being far better than he really was. In truth, he couldn't handle, pass, move laterally, and do anything worthwhile when an important game was on the line. Moreover, his dim apprehension of what the game was all about precluded any thoughts of being unselfish. Except for the early days of the Mets and the Brooklyn Dodgers, New York sports fans rarely hitch their devotion to a loser like Ewing.



Walt Bellamy
He was lazy, sloppy, soft, selfish, defenseless, and useless in the clutch. The media called him "Big Bells," but his fellow players had another name for him — "Tinker Bell". His career averages of 20.1 points and 13.7 rebounds per game notwithstanding, what's Bellamy doing in the Hall of Fame?



Charles Barkley
The Round Mound of Rebound was never in acceptable game shape. But reporting to one Houston training camp 20 pounds overweight didn't prevent him from chastising his teammates for not being serious about challenging for the championship. Also, he only played defense when the spirit moved him — which was very seldom. These days, he complains about not having played with top-flight teammates — left unsaid, however, is the fact that Barkley's self-involved style of play did nothing to compliment whatever talents his teammates did have. Over the course of his career, Barkley's selfishness and total lack of discipline made him a chronic underachiever





when it says Over rated what is the "rating system" based on? Wins? championships? Most of the poeple named didn't win a championship except for david Robinson (and he was second fiddle to duncan by then). If thta's the case then, MJ would have BEEN Over rated BEFORE he WON his championships, and Dominique Wilkins would be overrateed as well. If that is indeed measure of value than this is a seriously flawed evaluation. This seems like an article from somewhere.

The guy is 7 somethin' 300+ lbs... His talent is completely reliant on his height and strength

that would mean half the lineman in the NFL can come in and be ALL TIME LEGENDS in the NBA


kid your fucking stupid..........

being fat and being prolly the strongest player in ALL of sports is two different things

I know plenty of fat fucks, and they cant even move

Shaq is quicker then you think.
And there is a LOT of big mans in the NBA........it takes a LOT of skill to be a good low post player. Shaq is an amazing passer, has incredible court vision, good basketball sense.

What about Desanga Diop that Cleveland drafted. He was just a tad smaller then Shaq
and that nigga has a 1.2 career point per game avg.





what about Manute Bol........he was like 7'9 and weighted like 350
he aint put up half the numbers Shaq did





thats the dumbest shit said in the thread so far

I wish Shaq would punch you as hard as he possibly can right in your fucking noggin
maybe you'll smarten up then

that would mean half the lineman in the NFL can come in and be ALL TIME LEGENDS in the NBA


kid your fucking stupid..........

being fat and being prolly the strongest player in ALL of sports is two different things

I know plenty of fat fucks, and they cant even move

Shaq is quicker then you think.
And there is a LOT of big mans in the NBA........it takes a LOT of skill to be a good low post player. Shaq is an amazing passer, has incredible court vision, good basketball sense.

What about Desanga Diop that Cleveland drafted. He was just a tad smaller then Shaq
and that nigga has a 1.2 career point per game avg.





what about Manute Bol........he was like 7'9 and weighted like 350
he aint put up half the numbers Shaq did





thats the dumbest shit said in the thread so far

I wish Shaq would punch you as hard as he possibly can right in your fucking noggin
maybe you'll smarten up then

You just saved me time.........thank you.

.....Vince Carter........

Spectrum, you are wrong. Bol was 7'7 and weighed between 240 and 270 pounds. He was a tall and skinny dude

^Terrell Owens is the best reciever in the NFL right now...

EDIT: If he wasn't a baby and injured... (is he still injured? Hmm... I think... =P~ )


Shaq is over rated... he's just huge... it doesn't take much skill when you're his size...


Randy Moss is the best wide reciever in the league

.....Vince Carter........

I agree here also. He is more of an entertainer........very athletic and a good scorer. But he cant make a run for any hardware.

Niggas still think he is good. Dont you hjave to be rated to be over rated. Like tione Walker. Who the fuck still thinks he is good

nah............with Vince I, as a resident of Toronto, have every reason to spit on his life




but last year, after he got traded to Nets, from that moment on he was MVP of the year

in terms of leadership
in terms of stats
in terms of getting Nets miracousely to the playoffs



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yeah my bad on the Manute Bol, I got excited.......7'7 is still just huge
that man had like 30 blocks in a game once, unless Im wrong again
but I watched a documentary on him, the Beyond the GLory which is a DOPE show
and I think that what they said.......



I dont care what any one ever says. The greatest highlight reel of all time is when Don Nelson used to let Manute Bol drop 3s and he'd sink them from like 30 feet out.

Moss > Owens




people might think Owens but thats only cause he had better QBs throwing to him in his career

Owens hace noot had better qbs. Moss have. Randel, Culpepper.

Moss rookie year better than any of to years, Including last season.

Niggas still think he is good. Dont you hjave to be rated to be over rated. Like tione Walker. Who the fuck still thinks he is good

I don't think anyone ever thought he was good...

VC is overrated, one season doesn't prove quality for me... But if he can play like he did last year when he was with the Nets they'll be pretty good. Except for the fact that they still need a big man.

VC is overrated, one season doesn't prove quality for me

1 season ?


Rookie season he was good (matter fact the best of rookies)
In his 2nd, 3rd, 4th seasons he avg. 25.7, 27.6, 24.7 PPG respectively

and got Toronto within 1 shot of making the East Finals
(he missed that 19 footer from the left baseline at the buzzer)

first 4 years of his career and he was the most popular player in the league

5th he got injured and only played half but still dropped 20.6 a game
even his 6th he was tough

and 7th was last year and that was a slow start for obvious reasons
but as I stated, 2nd half he was MVP without question


Carter is Hall of Fame bound so far

Owens hace noot had better qbs. Moss have. Randel, Culpepper.

Moss rookie year better than any of to years, Including last season.



Steve Young > Randel


McNabb > Culpepper





plus remember all those years Culpepper came in and was a rookie
and didnt FULLY blossom till maybe just the last two years.

Steve Young was his QB for like what 1 year. ANd Rice was still, the 1 reciever. McNabb 1 year wit TO. TO played like 6 or 7 years wit Jeff Garcia. He is not even close to Randle or Culpepper. Shit even Jeff George had a better arm that Garcia.

Fact remains VC can't (or hasn't been able to) carry a team. Toronto went nowhere with him. He sold tickets, made flashy dunks, but never carried them passed the second round...

k......Randal was better then Garcia but the latter was pretty damn good for a time being


he only played 5 seasons with 49ers

in his 2nd season he had 4200 + passing yards
and in a two year span he threw 62 TD and rushed for another 9

Jeff was a good quarterback, and though in his twilight
he still is decent.........twice he almost had QB ratings of 100 (in the high 90s)
and his lowest ever was 77.9 and that was his first year

and dont forget he played in the CFL prior to that and won a championship with BC Lions two years in a row I think it was





and the fact Owens was playing next to Rice only takes away from him
because it means that the main focus was on Rice, he got all the double team attention
and thus leaving Owens more open


then again Moss played alongside Cris Carter but yo


Rice >>>>>>>>> Carter

plus Moss was number 1 option anyhow on Vikings

Fact remains VC can't (or hasn't been able to) carry a team.


he got them within 1 shot of the East Finals
more then most players can say......and remeber Toronto was an expansion team
we was only 3 or 4 years into the league when we got Carter
and Vince turned us into a legitamate playoff contender within his 2nd season
we had nobody.........never had a real 2nd option when Vince was here

Charles Oakley ? Antonio Davis ? Mo Pete ?

shit we had McGrady but Butch Carter fucked him in the ass
and thats why he left, Tracy aint fully blossom till after he left Toronto



so think about it.......Toronto was ALL Vince for 6 years and he turned a team that was as wack as Atlanta is today to a good home court advantage type playoff team

last year he carried the Nets into the playoffs, and they was so far back when they got him, Im still baffled at how they made it.......and Nets too didnt have no one but Kidd with his wacky knees last year



watch.........Jefferson is coming back, and Kidd is rested and healthy
now he was 2 quality players next to him......I predict Vince = top 3 player this year
quote me

Are you talkin about Jeff Garcia, his lowest rating was last season with the Browns. Under 70

k......Randal was better then Garcia but the latter was pretty damn good for a time beinghe only played 5 seasons with 49ers
in his 2nd season he had 4200 + passing yards
and in a two year span he threw 62 TD and rushed for another 9
Jeff was a good quarterback, and though in his twilight
he still is decent.........twice he almost had QB ratings of 100 (in the high 90s)
and his lowest ever was 77.9 and that was his first year
and dont forget he played in the CFL prior to that and won a championship with BC Lions two years in a row I think it was
and the fact Owens was playing next to Rice only takes away from him
because it means that the main focus was on Rice, he got all the double team attention
and thus leaving Owens more open
then again Moss played alongside Cris Carter but yo
Rice >>>>>>>>> Carter
plus Moss was number 1 option anyhow on Vikings

Oh please belive i no moss better. But garcia dont no about that guy. West Coast offence helped this nigaa out. Didnt have to throw down feild. So. idont no pluse, that nigga Garcia probable the ugliest white nigga ever. No homo, but he is sHit. I dont like that nigga at all. Fuck i dont like no nigga who played for them except Charle Haley.

last year he carried the Nets into the playoffs, and they was so far back when they got him, Im still baffled at how they made it.......and Nets too didnt have no one but Kidd with his wacky knees last year

With the exception of last year I should have added. He revamped that team.

But a guy who was alleged to have leaked plays to the other team and has admitted to not playing his best for his team can't be a top player to me. He has a bright future, but if he retired right now, he would not be in the hall of fame...


watch.........Jefferson is coming back, and Kidd is rested and healthy
now he was 2 quality players next to him......I predict Vince = top 3 player this year
quote me

I know Vince will be good this year. The Nets in general are a playoff bound team next year. They'll be sick.

Moss > Owens




people might think Owens but thats only cause he had better QBs throwing to him in his career

Moss had culpepper for awhile, who did owens have that was better than that?
Mcnabb is not better thn culpepper adn garcia def. ain't better.

Moss had culpepper for awhile, who did owens have that was better than that?
Mcnabb is not better thn culpepper adn garcia def. ain't better.

^^^^^^What the fuck i agre wit this nigga again

Vince Carter, T-Mac, thats all thats coming to mind right now, oh Carmelo.

Owens had Steve Young for 1 or 2 years

t-mac isn't over rated but i agree with vince, paja, antoine, and carmello.... i think yao is over rated as well.... if he ever got a killer instinct he would be a good player but he's soft

Yao is very overrated, Francis is a bit overrated

Yao mos def.

Carmello after 2 year. Wow dont agree wit that at all. Nigga like 21, and next year beleive me Denver will kill. Look how they ended last season. T Mac 13 points in 40 seconds you have to be kidding me. There no way this guy is even close to being over rated. Shit to me he under rated. He damn near the best in the league.

Are yall sayin T-Mac is overrated?

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Fuckouttahere.

Are yall sayin T-Mac is overrated?

http://www.mcstyle.net/dras/426db2c813de5.gif

Fuckouttahere.


LMFAO...I remember that..'Cause they called a foul on Shawn Bradley...

Damn, I felt sorry for duke. He had balls all over his back.

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^^^That's why he retired right there...

Are yall sayin T-Mac is overrated?

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Fuckouttahere.
you know how many people did that to bradley? too many! but T-Mac is still nice

you know how many people did that to bradley? too many! but T-Mac is still nice

T-Mac did it on the biggest stage on national television.

But your right........Bradley is the most dunked on center in NBA History.

i dunno ever watched the old highlights of dr j and all those cats dunking.... smh bill walton got abused

.... smh bill walton got abused


"That's a discgrace"

yo i dont know if streetball players can fall into dis category but if they can i think sante gayle "757' is waay over rated yeah dude can dunk off an oop when middle man is sleep on d but that nigga aint reall that hard in my opinion and he stayed bitchin all da time on da streetball t.v. show

KOBE... that guy sucks with out a great center leading him.... 1

KOBE... that guy sucks with out a great center leading him.... 1

Yeah man! Kobe sucks! He averaged only 27.6 PPG last season! That was only 2nd in the league in scoring. He also only averaged 6 RPG and 6 APG. He sucks!

Smh...

^^^ did they make the play offs.... no.... 1

To be counted as a great player you need the skillz and leadership to lead your team to the play offs, not just to score buckets... 1

seen as i only know 4 players that is shaq, kobe, jordan and iverson i dont think i should comment :)

To be counted as a great player you need the skillz and leadership to lead your team to the play offs, not just to score buckets... 1

We're not talking about great players (even though Kobe is one), we're talking about overrated players. Don't get me wrong, I'm no Kobe fan. I can't stand the Lakers. But he is still a solid player (and a ball hog) that can give you 25-5-5 every single night. You have to respect that.

^^^ yea, im just mad cause down in southern cali when the lakers dont make playoffs, it sucks, lol, but kobe's ok... over rated= Most draft pics... lmao, 1