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Paul Robinson 09-14-2005, 07:13 AM jesus!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! i bet that nearly rips the chassis in two every time....what bhp is it pushing???
Vanilla_Ice 09-14-2005, 08:16 PM 2300bhp...
Paul Robinson 09-15-2005, 04:48 AM um 2316.685bhp....
J.Griff 09-21-2005, 06:49 PM Where did you guys get those h.p numbers from.
A couple of us have disscused this car and its set up numerous times to all kinds of details.
I have a small video of a 1/4 mile run with this car befor he got a half way decent tune into it and it was very fast.
This type of set up has been done several time on single turbo cars. Mostly on small displacment engines with a huge turbo. The supercharger is used to spool the turbos.
Plus is instant gradifacation with some fuel economy. Down side is it max's the turbo compressor out real quick so you end up with nothing but true low end power.
The Obscured 09-21-2005, 06:58 PM really..... (|) L-)
J.Griff 09-21-2005, 06:59 PM really..... (|) L-)
I shoulda known the queen of bolt patterns would show up...
The Obscured 09-21-2005, 07:00 PM Damn right ima show up, its my forum. That all you got? "queen of bolt patterns" that was the lamest shit..you got a problem?
J.Griff 09-21-2005, 07:04 PM Damn right ima show up, its my forum. That all you got? "queen of bolt patterns" that was the lamest shit..you got a problem?
LMAO
She said "its my forum".. yea yea yea I started this forum and it use to have alot of usefull info, now all i see is picture threads and crap.
No problem for me. You seem to be anoyed already though. lol
Want to disscuss the set up on this car. Id like to hear you opinion on the plus and minus's to this type of set up?
The Obscured 09-21-2005, 07:18 PM LMAO
She said "its my forum".. yea yea yea I started this forum and it use to have alot of usefull info, now all i see is picture threads and crap.
No problem for me. You seem to be anoyed already though. lol
Want to disscuss the set up on this car. Id like to hear you opinion on the plus and minus's to this type of set up?
yeah looks like someone has a problem about me being a moderator for this forum.This really tickles me. Futhermore, i have nothing to dicuss about this because ive done it on another forum already. Also the people here on rw arent into "specs and such" as much as Me and T1 so whats the point?
You gotta know your audience. I could sit here and post everything I know but nobody is going to show any interest besides T1, and probably not even him. I just posted the pics for people to look at. Also, as far as your opinion "used to have useful info", nobody even posted shit in here until the forums were hacked and everything in here was erased. Now at least people actually look and discuss stuff.
And if my old ass "bolt and patterns" thread was so bad, according to you, then it wouldnt have been read 80 such times.
J.Griff 09-21-2005, 07:33 PM Wasnt looking to disscus it to please other just wanted to see what you thought about that set up.
Why would i mind that your a mod in this forum? Relax
Most people didnt post alot due to there lack of knowledge witch everyone of us delt with at one point. That was the point of posting the stuff so people can learn. The D.I.Y'er can save thousands by knowing shit.
Plus the old stuff isnt deleated i was just looking at some of it.
For what ever reason i seem to offend you. Get over cars just happen to be a love for me and i also love disscusion's. Thats how people learn.
But hey if you already know every thing about the car.
Can you fill me in on one thing. How does he have the superchager triggered?
Clearly you cant keep pumping the charger into the turbos well after the have spooled?
The Obscured 09-21-2005, 07:51 PM But hey if you already know every thing about the car.
Dont assume just cause i talked about it that I know everything about it. Maybe if it was my car then yes. Like I said, this is for the members to discuss on, i didnt want nothing to do with it since i been there and done that already. If i wanted to answer your question Id have to go back to that site and see if it was even talked about, but honestly i dont think anyone asked that specific question.
And as far as D.I.Y yeah i know all about those, i used to do that to my mazda before it was totalled. But i mean, do you think you are really going to find alot of hardcore auto cats on a b.s rap forum? You might find maybe 1 or two, and those are the peeps who arent here all the damn time.
BTW, you cant necessarily LEARN something by Reading, you also gotta do the hands-on. You can learn about it, but thats not where experience comes from. But im sure you already know that much.
J.Griff 09-21-2005, 08:00 PM I said the know everything becuase i knew you didnt hence trying to start a disscusion about it.
If you wanted to answer my question you would just have to look at one of the pics you posted.
{if you knew half of what you pretend to know}
This is my favorite!
So you use to do D.I.Y's to your old mazda/ford befor you crashed it.
Can you tell me what D.I.Y's are?
SMH.
Look instead of getting anoyed why dont you just disscuse shit so you can learn some things. More knowledge = More HorsePower.
The Obscured 09-21-2005, 08:18 PM lmfao, you are a true dickhead.
Im not going to tell you again, im not into discussing this shit. If i wanted to discuss it I would have said something bout it. Besides, when i posted it, I figured there wouldnt be much Tech talk bout it anyway.
Second, I dont pretend anything, thats your opinion. And with that said, i dont give less than 2 cents what you think about what I know. Cause when it comes down to it, you dont know what I know even if you tried. All you have is false inferences.
Ever since you came into this forum youve been questioning my every move but yet you sit back and say you dont have a problem. If thats the case, then leave well enough alone. But no, whats your purpose of following me around questioning everything I type. You that bored? And yet you wonder why I find you annoying.
And since you want to question me so bad, D.I.Y are Do it yourselfs Fool. Shit that you can do on your own for a lesser price rather than spending lots of money..You can use it for really big projects or things as small as l.e.d interior lighting mods.
Keep this in mind, I make my discussions/ questions on Auto/Car Club Forums, not Rap Forums.
J.Griff 09-21-2005, 08:25 PM Yes right now for the next 2 hours i am bored. Actualy in this thread and our prevoius debate on cars has left me certin that you may have a basic knowledge of what to SAY about cars, but its clear you knowledge lacks the ability to back up your questionable knowledge. Like i said befor if you half of what you say you did you could clearly tell what set up he is using to trigger the supercharger. I dont even belive you have disscused this car beyond WOW THATS COOL.
Sorry ive always had fun poking fun at bullshit artist's.
J.Griff 09-21-2005, 08:28 PM Keep this in mind, I make my discussions/ questions on Auto/Car Club Forums, not Rap Forums.
P.S
I have most of my disscusions on a shop couch at Z10 performance. The shop i DESIGN most my parts threw. But im always ready to throw ideas back and forth with anyone.
The Obscured 09-21-2005, 08:40 PM So you think your Mr.KnowItall because you have a shop? you know more than anyone online right? So since you FEEL that way, that gives you right to ridecule people for things that they MIGHT not know? Anyone can have a shop dude, so dont try to flash that like its something wonderful. And I could careless how little you thought I knew, make your opinion. Im going to continue to post what I want.
Keep it in thought, anything I feel I need to know about automobiles, I can ask/learn from my partner mechanic, my step dad, my step brother, my own dad, or i can hop online. But truth is, Id die before Id ask you shit especially with that fuck attitude of yours.
J.Griff 09-21-2005, 08:56 PM I dont have a shop i said the shop i design parts threw. As they have many design and manufaturing toys i can not yet afford.
I think you should go over this thread and see who was the fucktard first.
really..... (|) L-)
I requested info on where they found h.p numbers, you became the fucktard.
The Obscured 09-21-2005, 09:02 PM fuck tard?? I didnt say fuck tard. But ill say FUCKFACE. So yeah, fuckface when you requested the hp numbers I considered that YOU WERE NOT TALKING TO ME, being that I didnt guess the numbers because the forum that this was discussed on couldnt figure it out at the time when the pics were put here.
Of course your not going to see yourself as the true fuck face,though you come around actin all high and mighty and want to go on these "who knows more" debates and shit like this is elementary school. A couple of posts ago, I questioned your motive, but I really dont see one for what your trying to accomplish.
J.Griff 09-21-2005, 09:12 PM fuck tard?? I didnt say fuck tard. But ill say FUCKFACE. So yeah, fuckface when you requested the hp numbers I considered that YOU WERE NOT TALKING TO ME, being that I didnt guess the numbers because the forum that this was discussed on couldnt figure it out at the time when the pics were put here.
Once again this makes no sense.
So all i did was ask the 2 guys where they got the h.p numbers from becuase i have not seen the numbers yet.
But then for what ever reason you respond with the ass cheak and loser shit.
Ok tell me what i did to offend you at that point? Mabey i missed somthing.
as far as motive. There is no motive im just filling in the blanks. This thread took a left due to the ass and loser icons you posted.
The Obscured 09-21-2005, 09:14 PM So yes, I believe this all started when you got mad about my smileys and yet you know not why i put them there. So you instead of being like wtf or something to that manner, you put on your "fuckface" mask and started trying to debate about the whole world. So there ya go. Birth of the Problem. Honestly, I thought since you returned we could be cool about shit in this forum, but nooooooo.I wasnt callin you the ass and the loser, I wanted to share this forum with you, but you missed that motive. Oh fuckin well.
J.Griff 09-21-2005, 09:19 PM So yes, I believe this all started when you got mad about my smileys and yet you know not why i put them there. So you instead of being like wtf or something to that manner, you put on your "fuckface" mask and started trying to debate about the whole world. So there ya go. Birth of the Problem. Honestly, I thought since you returned we could be cool about shit in this forum, but nooooooo. So oh fuckin well.
LMFAO
typical girl! They do somthing stupid and then get mad at your reaction.
Cool about this forum? Relax i dont want the forum back. But if stop threw to read a little bit i will correct wrong info if i see it. Not a big deal as long as you dont get offended by being corrected.
The Obscured 09-21-2005, 09:27 PM Lol there you go again sterotyping. Geez I dont know how you deal with people in the real world if all you do is judge people in ignorance. LMFAO..typical girl my ass. So should I call you the typical man? the kind that Argue over and over again and wont admit their wrong, wont listen, wont think logically, always trying to debate and dont have their facts straight about things first. Thats typical men behavior right. Yeah, so guess what, according to this, we just two typical ass people then. YAY.
And you claim to be innocently correcting, well im sayin you dont have to be an asshole about the shit. Things on this forum can be read many different ways, and my history dealing with you, there is only one way to read it.
J.Griff 09-21-2005, 09:35 PM Once again, didnt become an asshole untill you posted the loser and ass cheeks icon.
And no i dont inocently correct people i just correct them.
No i dont think i know everything thats why im trying to get into a enginering class. Id like to be able to use a full lathe, design things down to a fraction of a mm in detail. I have a list of things to still learn. But i know what i know and i dont open my mouth unless im ready to bump ideas with someone who might know more.
UNFOURTANTLY you just go blah blah blah and never actualy share your thoughts. AND FUCK ALL THAT "i disscuss shit on car forums" CRAP.
When 2 car junkies meet they talk about cars, wether its at home grocery store, bra shoping with our girl friend. WE TALK CARS!!!!!!!!!!!
The Obscured 09-21-2005, 09:41 PM SO THEN WE ARE GONNA FUCKIN TALK CARS..Tomorrow GOT DAMMIT, FIGHTIN WIT ME LIKE WE ARGUING OVER A PURSE...and i already said you took the icons the wrong way nonetheless. Think about it, in right mind why would i call you an asshole and a looser because you asked about the hp when i didnt even know myself?? Obviously there is something wrong with the picture, but you didnt bother to ask as I didnt see you taking it the wrong way like you did. But hey just like you mis-judged me, i mis-judged you and we are all perfect people.
edit: by the way, i cant share my thoughts with an asshole, like you said you became. However, i CAN share my thoughts with someone who wants to learn just as much as I do. Which one are you, i cant choose.
this will be my last post bout this til tomorrow
J.Griff 09-21-2005, 10:11 PM Wether your action {the icons} was taken the wrong way. Witch i cant understand how else i could have taken it. My reaction was still what it was, A REACTION to your action.
The Obscured 09-21-2005, 11:59 PM Thats a normal human function
Standard 09-22-2005, 12:20 AM well... uh... the car looks ridiculously fast... ive never seen a supercharger & turbo's used in combination before... interesting innovations.
T1Oracle 09-22-2005, 11:48 AM Sorry to interrrupt but... How is the supercharger spooling the turbo?
T1Oracle 09-22-2005, 12:14 PM ^ Nevermind, I thought about it. It probably drives air through the turbo causing to spin thus spooling it.
J.Griff 09-23-2005, 04:52 AM ^ Nevermind, I thought about it. It probably drives air through the turbo causing to spin thus spooling it.
Exactly
And when you use 2 smaller turbos you end up with NO lag. From the looks of the pictures you can tell he has 4 Boost controler's. Oddly enough he is using one of them to trigger a turbo waste gate that open and close's a throatle body on the supercharger so when it gets to a certin P.S.I it shuts it so it wont toast the turbos.
Now last i heard the guy was shootting for 800hp. after he got the final tune done with the EMS. Personaly i dont think he will see more the 600 from that set up.
Paul Robinson 09-23-2005, 08:44 AM hey...we were only joking about the HORSEPOWER i have no idea...guys chill out a bit...we dont need to fight...ill was jst dropping some info about the engines...there was no need to flare up!!!
T1Oracle 09-23-2005, 08:11 PM Exactly
And when you use 2 smaller turbos you end up with NO lag. From the looks of the pictures you can tell he has 4 Boost controler's. Oddly enough he is using one of them to trigger a turbo waste gate that open and close's a throatle body on the supercharger so when it gets to a certin P.S.I it shuts it so it wont toast the turbos.
Now last i heard the guy was shootting for 800hp. after he got the final tune done with the EMS. Personaly i dont think he will see more the 600 from that set up.
Whoa, I never heard of anything like that, that sounds like a clever setup. I guess that's why the intake pipe is so huge. There's no NOS in there is there?
J.Griff 09-27-2005, 02:46 PM Whoa, I never heard of anything like that, that sounds like a clever setup. I guess that's why the intake pipe is so huge. There's no NOS in there is there?
Yes he is running nos to. I dont belive he has ever been to clear on why he is using nos. On a set up like this NOS could cause more problems then good if not set up correctly. He is either using it to back up the fuel system for the sudden burst from the supercharger or he is using it to compensate the 2 turbos when they peak out and heat soak.
VocabulouS 09-27-2005, 04:44 PM Silly XL And Her Tantrums...
-KaZ- 09-27-2005, 05:57 PM ive never heard of turbos and superchargers working together in the same engine-never thought it was possible- i always thought it was supercharger or turbos
and also
turbo-high speed?
supercharger-acceleration?
also how is it setup to use turbos and superchargers together-wat other special mod is needed to use both
J.Griff 09-27-2005, 08:58 PM turbo-high speed?
supercharger-acceleration?
Yes and no. In a basic explanation yes your right. BUT on built motors the end result will vary.
Turbos are ment to give you the option of fuel ecomonmy. You can drive a turbo car and depending on how much gas you give it you dont even have to use the turbo much.
Superchargers are ment to give instant gradification. No spool up time they just kick in RPM dependent.
also how is it setup to use turbos and superchargers together-wat other special mod is needed to use both
The superchrger feeds the forced air into the turbos. {usualy}
Eliminating spool up time.
To use both realy doesnt require a mod in its self. You just need to make sure the car gets the correct amount of Air/Fuel/Spark to handle the amount of instant boost. Also different cars use different quality type of rods/pistons ect ect ect. This is the main concern when adding forced induction.
I would read the articals i posted about how turbos work. You will learn alot.
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