I gotta write a paper or two about my views on religion... but I can't be biased, I need to cover everything, ya know? So, I know there are some dudes on here who are intelligent and can help me see different perspectives... So... basically:

How do you view Organized Religion?

ME:

Part of me always felt that religion was a fake way to explain something that we can't explain logically. Like magic. When some people don't understand how something happens, they may feel the desire to find someway for their brains to sorta get a grip on it. We may even make up a reason. Like magic. But magic isn't real, it's somethin' someone came up with to trick people.

"You can pray to a tree... it don't mean the seasons are changin' 'cause you believe in the leaves." - dZk

That right their sum's up my view...

But I still am not 100% sure, I grew up with an "over-religious" father...

...blah... your turn.

This Is The Truth :

The Only Difference Between A Religion And A Cult Is Size !

Be Like China And Dont Follow Religion !

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My view on organized religion is different than most, in that I don't believe in organized religion anymore. I've studied and studied religions trying to find where I belong, and came to one simple conclusion. It's all bullshit. Yes, I do believe in a god, I'm just not sure who it is.

The way it looks to me is that most religions were made and/or changed to control the population. This is a fact with Christianity, we already know that. But what I've got from reading other holy books is the same feeling I got when reading the Bible. It just felt wrong, and none of it really made any sense.

But yeah, I more or less agree with Grizzly.

I doubt that can help you for your assignment, but I just wanted to post.

Religion points us to the Door in the Dark...but its up to US where we choose where that door may lead

religion is essential...

but its only a stepping stone...it shows us the way...but is not thee Way

^^What in the hell are you talking about? First, religion isn't essential. If you are too weak to believe in yourself, than yeah you're going to need someone to believe is going to do everything for you.

How about not turning this into an argument guys... Obviously, we're all going to have different views and feelings, but there's no need to knock the next person if you tend to disagree, you know...? Anywho...

I've been raised to believe in God. Not "A" God, but THEE God known to the Christian religion. I've never really taken the time to search for the right answers to many questions that even I've asked myself regarding the belief. However, I had a very interesting conversation with a friend of mine the other day about this issue...

Apparently, he believes that there is a God, but not as we perceive it. I remember him stating that he follows his own religion, and that the word "religion" as we define is actually the devil to him. He said " I believe that life itself is God". When asked about Heaven and Hell, he responded that Hell to him is basically the fear of dying, and Heaven being at peace when you die. As far as afterlife, he said that those who are at peace when they die, take on everlasting life by being reincarnated, which is why he believes humans have deja vu.

Made a bit of sense to me... I mean, I'd actually have to have him join the board to he can explain it himself... But basically, he thinks that God is life, and Satan is death. Satan meaning "adversary" is his argument that God is peace and death is war, basically anything that conflicts between the two.

He also stated that even we as humans may be "little Gods". A weird example he used, how he has the power to make things happen. He used a remote for instance, it doesn't work on it's own, but we have the power to operate it... It was confusing.. Dude is mad intelligent... I may just have him come and explain his views... not saying I agree, but it was the most sense I've seen in a person arguing religion itself.. I'll elaborate on it more later, can't really get into what I'm trying to say from work...:(

check this


spirituality is part of human nature
every single person on this planet is spiritual to some degree

organization is also part of human nature
we work in groups, its our nature, hence you got things like family and whatnot


now when you combine the two, both essential aspects of human nature

you get religion

organized spirituality = religion




think about it

^Word... That's real..

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The way it looks to me is that most religions were made and/or changed to control the population. This is a fact with Christianity, we already know that. QUOTE]

But how do you know it wasn't entirely truth or at least based on truth before crazed zealots started using religion as a presmise for control of the state?

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The way it looks to me is that most religions were made and/or changed to control the population. This is a fact with Christianity, we already know that. [QUOTE]

But how do you know it wasn't entirely truth or at least based on truth before crazed zealots started using religion as a premise for control of the state?

Do you know what it was called before all that happened? The Torah.

check this


spirituality is part of human nature
every single person on this planet is spiritual to some degree

organization is also part of human nature
we work in groups, its our nature, hence you got things like family and whatnot


now when you combine the two, both essential aspects of human nature

you get religion

organized spirituality = religion




think about itI will have to dissagree. There are alot of people who don't do either. Athiest for example, not spiritual at all. Well true Athiest anyway. Not the ones who do it because it's the rebelous thing to do. Also true with Agnostics. We are spiritual in a sense, but we deffinetley don't need large groups. Ever wonder why Agnostics are the only people without a chat on Yahoo? It's not really our preference to get together and discuss our beliefs. Reason being, most of us decided on our own what we believe. Nobody convinced us to question the religion, nor do most of us try to convince other people what to believe. When people ask us about our religious beliefs, we tell them truthfully in a non-discriminatory matter.

I think the reason you think what you think, is the reason all people think what they think. It's how they grew up to think. Maybe everybody in your life is as you said, so you believe it's true with all people.

As to my previous statement, I apologize if anyone took offense. I do have a problem with sounding angry when I'm not. I was not looking for an arguement, just simply stating the truth as I see it.

Maybe I should also explain my above statement before anyone gets pissed. The reason I said it was called the Torah, is because that's what the bible is. A revised version of the Torah. So before all revisions were made, that's what it was.

yeah religeon feels knda gimmicky..

but recently when i read the translation of the QURAN..there so many things related to science and stuff..like during that time when the earth was flat (according to learnett ppl(people that definetly tell the truth and show proof too) the Quran already said that the earth was round..and the earth around the sun and stuff..

but it still aint completely figured out cos of some problem or something with number 9...

yeah and also the spontaneous and evoulotion thing...

what if ADAM(s.a.w.) was a microrganism thingy or the earliest form of human or something like that..(IM NOT SAYING HE IS A APE..im sayin maybe during a certain level of a ape..it becomes human..maybe God just breathed his creation into it..(of course originally he wasn't created on earth...)..

aight sorry this was confusing..

yeah and the christianity thing..i asked my christian friends and they all said the same thing..the Bible was changed from time to time(no hate pplz)..probably to satisfy the needs of christians..

not surprsingly..seconds after i said that..they said christianity was better cause it was not that strict(see what i mean?)

The way i look at it religions are like gangs, like if you live over here you will be "red", if you live over there your "blue. It all depends where you grow up, parents teach you how to live. They pass down every thing they were taught, from brushing your teeth to to a way of life "religion". Every religion conflicts with another but they all have the same message " don't steal" "respect your parents" "don't lie". Think about it, everyone who is a christian prays to a man "God" nailed to a cross by the wrists and feet Growing up we don't think that we just know "oh shit i have to pray to that". But as soon as we get older we question "WHY", because if you haven't noticed there is no religion has prof that they are right, others just accept the fact they follow what every they were taught to follow.

This is just my OPINION plz don't attack me with your OPINION

I think the reason you think what you think, is the reason all people think what they think. It's how they grew up to think. Maybe everybody in your life is as you said, so you believe it's true with all people.


You insult my intelligence.

I will have to dissagree. There are alot of people who don't do either. Athiest for example, not spiritual at all. Well true Athiest anyway. Not the ones who do it because it's the rebelous thing to do. Also true with Agnostics. We are spiritual in a sense, but we deffinetley don't need large groups. Ever wonder why Agnostics are the only people without a chat on Yahoo? It's not really our preference to get together and discuss our beliefs. Reason being, most of us decided on our own what we believe. Nobody convinced us to question the religion, nor do most of us try to convince other people what to believe. When people ask us about our religious beliefs, we tell them truthfully in a non-discriminatory matter.


Human beings, when looked at as a species and from a evolutionary context, are social creatures. Yes, there are shy people and yes there are people who live in seclusion alone in the forrest for years. But that is not the norm. 99.95% of this planet lives and operates in groups. That is how civilization came about, that is how humanity came about. People are social creatures. Period.


Secondly. Spiritituality and religion are two different things, as you prolly (hopefully) know. A person can be totally anti religious but very spiritual. An atheist, establishes their standpoint on this subject, and just by doing so they acknowledge this concept exists. They choose not to believe it but if it did not exist, why would they address it in the first place ? Because its there, because spirituality is part of human nature. Even cavemen acknowledged greater powers. Every single civilization on this earth, from the beginning of time acknowledges some sort of greater power. This doesn't have to be God (though it often is) but just something that is beyond our scope, that is beyond this world. You can't deny human nature, no matter how hard you try.


And best believe.......when an atheist is on his deathbed, knowing he only has a few moments left on this earth. Somewhere deep in his mind, the thought of what's next will cross their mind.




Dont try and argue something as objective as human nature with me or anyone else. Your better off trying to prove 1+1 aint 2

ayo fuck what u heard man Christianity is the way to go..yo us ganna get saved and go to heaven and have eternal peace i mean come on whats better than that?? money? girls? education? hell no

I see where you're coming from, but it's just simply not true. Yeah, maybe in the old days and in the beginning of time. But people are growing wiser and further away from primal instincts. The human nature is a violent, ignorant, scared little creature. Which is most likely why we are the dominate species on the planet. We fear everything, and kill what we fear. Now as we know, not all people are like this anymore. So if spirituality is in the human nature, it too can and has been broken. Saying that every Athiest dies wondering what's next is like saying every Christian dies happy thinking they're going to Heaven. It's simply not true. Me personally, when I die, I'm not going to waste the thought of where I'm going. It's not going to change where I'm going. So why think about it when I could be thinking about things that make me happy? But yeah, maybe some do think about what's next. That's not spritiual, that's fear of death. Which, in an Athiest's mind, concidering they do not believe in Heaven nor Hell or any type of afterlife, is a very logical fear and a very reasonable question to ask on your Deathbed.

But you can't base your argument on human nature for one simple reason. If there has been one thing humanity has been good at in our existence, it's defying nature.

Religion asks question's that need not be asked. I'm religionless. Life is a coincidence, get over it. Quote me on that sunshine.

That's not spritiual, that's fear of death

fear of death, fear of God

same thing


I dont think we can escape our nature. Nature is what defines us. And the same truths have been presents since the beginning. Im going to write a book on human nature and really set out to define this in an academic manner, but that will be later.




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a note to every british person.............we dont need your comments, the whole worlds knows y'all stance on religion and God, so no need to state the obvious

How is fear of death and fear of God the same thing? They're completely unrelated. God fearing people are stupid for one reason, there is no reason to fear God. God fearing people are the ones, in reality, killing God. As you said, it's human nature. If human nature kills what it fears, than by fearing God we will inevitably kill him/her/it. Therefore killing spirituality with it. So in any case, human nature will fail.

i'm a catholic

but i dont really look into religion

Religion asks question's that need not be asked. I'm religionless. Life is a coincidence, get over it. Quote me on that sunshine.

nah..i don't agree..


you mean the universe . started with nothing?...or just like THAT?..thats an even worse explanation on how we were created..

nah...i know its logical for humans to believe that something bigger created them..

and its weird to believe God had no beginning or end....but maybe God's beginning is different from ours..and the christians..they think that God's a human( no hate)..maybe they were taught to do that..and they can accept it..

but i can't..God is not a human..he doesn't need a son..he doesn't need anything..probably his meaning of emotion may even be different from ours..

Well, thanks guys... different views on shit always helps me...

But...

I agree that religion could be a form of control. Example: The Ten Commandments have rules (or laws) to follow like "Thou shalt not kill", "Thou shalt not steal", I mean... People who follow religions and actually believe and try to abide by their faith are less likely to commit those crimes. If they think they will burn in scorthing flames for eternity... yeah, they ain't gunna do it.

So yeah, thanks to those with intelligent things to say...

How is fear of death and fear of God the same thing? They're completely unrelated. God fearing people are stupid for one reason, there is no reason to fear God. God fearing people are the ones, in reality, killing God. As you said, it's human nature. If human nature kills what it fears, than by fearing God we will inevitably kill him/her/it. Therefore killing spirituality with it. So in any case, human nature will fail.



the term fear of God is always a misinterpreted thing
the context of 'fear' changes and the word is interchangable with love
and how is it the same thing.......

God is Life...once again the words are interchangable

thus

God / Life
fear / love

if you love life (ie, fear God) you will fear (this time the original context and meaning) death, cause their opposites, thats the balance of nature

its all tied in perfectly and it all follows simple logic, nothing mind blowing
just dont get confused with words

confusion of words is whats wrong with religion
thats how all this war and strife arise from, people interpret words wrong

^ He's right actually... When people use the term "fear of God", it isn't necessarily meaning "fear" as the word is defined... God is love, although the capability of his wrath should be feared... However, it's the same type of fear that a respectable child would hold toward their father...

A child loves it's father unconditionally... However, at the same time, a child also fears it's father within that love. Not the fear of a monster, but the fear handled as with disipline, and respect. You don't remember being a kid and telling your father that you loved him as much as possible? Then when you get in trouble your mom says " I'm going to tell your father".. Ofcourse you'd be afraid... I believe Spectrum is referring to that point, although my explanation isn't all that good..

Please explain how fear and love are interchangable. They are literally exact opposites. Fear is the deepest of all dark emotions, love is the deepest of all good emotions. With love comes happiness, with fear comes sadness and anger.

A child loves it's father unconditionally... However, at the same time, a child also fears it's father within that love. Not the fear of a monster, but the fear handled as with disipline, and respect. You don't remember being a kid and telling your father that you loved him as much as possible? Then when you get in trouble your mom says " I'm going to tell your father".. Of course you'd be afraid... I believe Spectrum is referring to that point, although my explanation isn't all that good..Everything you just said is completely and utterly untrue. I know from personal and mutual experience.

So you're saying when a friend of mine had her hands nailgunned to a wall and her ass beat literally with a hammer by her father, that she still holds unconditional love towards him? You're saying that when this girl had her teeth literally knocked out by her father for not doing the dishes fast enough, that she's going to hold an unconditional love for him? You're saying that my cousin, who's father blew his mothers face off with a shotgun right in front of his 6 year old eyes, holds unconditional love for him? So tell me then. Why is it that girl wanted me to burn her fathers house down with him in it, and why my cousin cried at his mothers funeral but not at his fathers?

Now, a father is there. He is not a theory, you can see him, you can feel him, he is the reason you are in this world. If you are capable of turning against him, than you are certianly capable of turning against a God that you don't even know is real, and don't give a shit about and in some cases hate.

Now if Christian mythology is true, the angels are perfect beings. Yet God's right hand man turned against him and led a war against him. If beings that God created to be perfect, can turn against him, why can't a being that the Bible cleary states is imperfect?

Fear is the deepest of all dark emotions, ... with fear comes sadness and anger.

^... Wouldn't hate be the deepest of all dark emotions? Just my opinion...




Now, a father is there. He is not a theory, you can see him, you can feel him, he is the reason you are in this world. If you are capable of turning against him, than you are certianly capable of turning against a God that you don't even know is real, and don't give a shit about and in some cases hate.


^I liked that point...

Spectrum has a point, too, though... I kinda understand what he means with the fear/love/god/life thing... it makes sense... but at the same time it's definitely arguable. I know people who don't fear God, but love life and love God. It's different people's emotions... wow... this went farther than I thought.

^... Wouldn't hate be the deepest of all dark emotions? Just my opinion...Nah, fear causes anger which causes hate.

Well, you know the point I was trying to make..But when I feel like it, I'll make a more elaborate post...

I understood your point, I just used your point to fuel my point.

Y'all arn't going to win this. You're basing your entire argument on human nature and a few thousand years of Christian mythology. I'm basing mine on recent events and stuff I can prove without saying "It's just true because something says it is".

I dont think we can escape our nature. Nature is what defines us. And the same truths have been presents since the beginning. Im going to write a book on human nature and really set out to define this in an academic manner, but that will be later.

I disaggree with a concrete human nature, as I think the way we act is a product of our societies...

^yeh but thats just human nature.....

Jay, you do realize that when you interprete the bible you are not always going to have the ease of reading it and taking it literally. Learn Hebrew and Greek.

Imperium, that's not human nature, that's the nature of our brains and how it interacts with our senses.
Human nature is dependent on alot of variables, so why is everyone trying to give it one definition? Without enviroment are minds are nothing. Humans are easily manipulated beings. The only instinct that I know of is the will to survive, and that's backed up spiritually as well.
If a scientist puts a newborn baby into a room the infant will know nothing but the room.

Jay, you do realize that when you interprete the bible you are not always going to have the ease of reading it and taking it literally. Learn Hebrew and Greek.Nah, I'll just have Shay read it to me. She already speaks Hebrew.

cant help u on this one mate
if ur writing an essay about Religion itself, then i cant help u
if it was on christianity, talk to me and Ill get u an A on this paper.
i know everything there is to know about christianity

^^Really? What does a cherub look like according to myth?

maybe fearing god is some kinda security thing( i dunno how to explain this)..

and if we don't fear god...we dont fear his creations damn it..

we'll spiral violently downward into ignorant creatures..

so fearing god is necessary..

but it also is a contradiction cause does fear bring hate?

dunno bout that..

maybe fearing god is some kinda security thing( i dunno how to explain this)..

and if we don't fear god...we dont fear his creations damn it..

we'll spiral violently downward into ignorant creatures..

so fearing god is necessary..

but it also is a contradiction cause does fear bring hate?

dunno bout that..

^...What!?

He's basically saying that we need something greater than us to exist or else our inate "egos" will cause us to spiral out of control if we were to realize that we were the "Ultimate Beings." That's basically a branch of the family of belief that Man created God..

Organized religion is too touchy a subject for my personal opinion so I've always given different answers based on whatever research I've done at the time..

If you think about it, religion is something that is apart of us. Those who practice no religion is also apart of an organized way of thinking. What they fail to realize is that the subject which they discredit is the basis of their very disbelief...but that's neither here nor there. It's said that religion was put into our brain for a given purpose we have yet to understand. This is why you can go to the most remote civilization untouched by development and change and they will have some form of religion. The fact that they have some how "organized" their beliefs makes it an "Organized Religion." Damned if you; damned if you don't..


Juss my 2 pennies..


~1ne

Not always, there have been alot of tribes that didn't believe in any gods. Maybe not the majority, but still not always.

True, but I would venture to say that about 97% of them have some belief system. Those that don't probably see society as the center of their belief - no god is necessary. That comes from "rationally" disregarding god(s) from the enforcement of morals. I could very well be wrong, though. Until I know for certain, it's all based on perception..

But see, that's my whole point. 97% isn't all so he can't say all people are spiritual.

I agree. I wouldn't go as far as saying everyone is spiritual, but I would say that everyone believes in something..even those who say they believe in nothing..

^Hense, we all believe in death.

Death can't be considered a belief, though..it's an inevitability (even though some may say that we die because we believe we die)..

^^Really? What does a cherub look like according to myth?


????????????????????????????????????????????????
none of what u said has anything to do with christianity.
ive went to a private christian school since fucking like pre school
or kindergarten

noone named cherub has anything to do with catholicism or christianity.
i know my shit

You're an idiot. A cherub, or cheribum, was a protector of God and a warrior in the great battle between God and Lucifer. Today they are symbolized as little fat angels, when according to legend they were 8 foot tall, nude, and carried swords of flames.

"Therefore the Lord God sent him forth from the garden of Eden to till the ground from whence he was taken. So He drove out the man; and He placed at the east of the Garden of Eden Cherubim, and a flaming sword, which turned every way to keep the way of the tree of life" (Gen 3:23-24).

Read up on Catholicism, kid. You obviously don't "know your shit". This is shit they arn't going to teach you in Sunday school. Just like real school, they only teach you the good side. They never teach the darker side.

You were right about one thing, there was no one "named" cherub. That's why I didn't ask, "who was Cherub?". I asked, "What is a cherub, according to legend?".

You're an idiot. A cherub, or cheribum, was a protector of God and a warrior in the great battle between God and Lucifer. Today they are symbolized as little fat angels, when according to legend they were 8 foot tall, nude, and carried swords of flames.

"Therefore the Lord God sent him forth from the garden of Eden to till the ground from whence he was taken. So He drove out the man; and He placed at the east of the Garden of Eden Cherubim, and a flaming sword, which turned every way to keep the way of the tree of life" (Gen 3:23-24).

Read up on Catholicism, kid. You obviously don't "know your shit". This is shit they arn't going to teach you in Sunday school. Just like real school, they only teach you the good side. They never teach the darker side.

You were right about one thing, there was no one "named" cherub. That's why I didn't ask, "who was Cherub?". I asked, "What is a cherub, according to legend?".

^... DAMN... owned...

You're an idiot. A cherub, or cheribum, was a protector of God and a warrior in the great battle between God and Lucifer. Today they are symbolized as little fat angels, when according to legend they were 8 foot tall, nude, and carried swords of flames.

"Therefore the Lord God sent him forth from the garden of Eden to till the ground from whence he was taken. So He drove out the man; and He placed at the east of the Garden of Eden Cherubim, and a flaming sword, which turned every way to keep the way of the tree of life" (Gen 3:23-24).

Read up on Catholicism, kid. You obviously don't "know your shit". This is shit they arn't going to teach you in Sunday school. Just like real school, they only teach you the good side. They never teach the darker side.

You were right about one thing, there was no one "named" cherub. That's why I didn't ask, "who was Cherub?". I asked, "What is a cherub, according to legend?".

damn maybe u do know more t hen me
which means your probly the most hurting person if u know more then me about a religion
i know a lot, by association cause my parents make me go to a catholic school cause they say itll straighten me out. u dont even go to a catholic school, and u knowing that kinda shit by ur own knowledge? aahah your a fucking book nerd

Actually, I'm not even Catholic, or even Christian really. However, my grandfather is a preacher and I have done extensive studying on religion to find where I belong and which religion I believe.

You know what really threw my off Christianity? When I read the third version of the Bible.

And if having intelligence makes me a nerd, than yeah, maybe I am. I don't care though, because intelligence is what will get you through this world.

I'm still trying to figure out how you made it through Sunday school without reading Genesis.

damn maybe u do know more t hen me
which means your probly the most hurting person if u know more then me about a religion
i know a lot, by association cause my parents make me go to a catholic school cause they say itll straighten me out. u dont even go to a catholic school, and u knowing that kinda shit by ur own knowledge? aahah your a fucking book nerd

^... why is someone a nerd because they know more than you? I hate when people automatically assume I'm a nerd when I know some fuckin' answer to a test or some simple shit like that... Don't know if you were serious... didn't seem like it to me... I just had a bad day... *rant over*

He's basically saying that we need something greater than us to exist or else our inate "egos" will cause us to spiral out of control if we were to realize that we were the "Ultimate Beings." That's basically a branch of the family of belief that Man created God..

Organized religion is too touchy a subject for my personal opinion so I've always given different answers based on whatever research I've done at the time..

If you think about it, religion is something that is apart of us. Those who practice no religion is also apart of an organized way of thinking. What they fail to realize is that the subject which they discredit is the basis of their very disbelief...but that's neither here nor there. It's said that religion was put into our brain for a given purpose we have yet to understand. This is why you can go to the most remote civilization untouched by development and change and they will have some form of religion. The fact that they have some how "organized" their beliefs makes it an "Organized Religion." Damned if you; damned if you don't..


Juss my 2 pennies..


~1ne


thanks man..for explaning..

Yall can keep your liqour, your weed
Ill take my chance wit JESUS!

Satanism - Lavey Satanist.. lol

No really though dont judge it till you read it i guarantee you you will agree with it and even relate.. i read it.. i know.. and its the most REAL religion your goign to get..

Satanism - Lavey Satanist.. lol

No really though dont judge it till you read it i guarantee you you will agree with it and even relate.. i read it.. i know.. and its the most REAL religion your goign to get..
Yup....America represent's this....
Selfishness, greed, and ignorance...

Isnt abotu selfishness greed or ignorance..

LeVay states that Satanists are there own god.. chocies in lfie are made by the person not another entity and only to not show respect to those that dont deserve it.. and to lead your own life..

If someone hits you hit them back (not otherwise unless they have done somethign which deserves it)

LOOK INTO IT! IM NOT WIERD!!!

Isnt abotu selfishness greed or ignorance..


The Church of Satan proposes that emotions such as greed, lust, and hatred are natural instincts and the denial of these feelings is utterly incorrect...

from
http://religiousmovements.lib.virginia.edu/nrms/satanism/churchof.html

They are natural instincts. Well greed isn't, but the rest are.

Religion = The F.A. Premier League

but thats our way of life theres no denying that..
its all speaks the truth.. wether you believe or not..

I only go to church cause there are some good lookin chicks there. Im tellin ya, all the freaks are up in church.

I believe in empricism, the belief that humans learn through experiencing things in life using the senses, and who we are isnt determined by innate characteristics. Therefore knowledge cannot go further than experience with the senses, in other words if somethin has no evidence available to our senses then it doesnt exist...

plain and simple i dont BE-LIEVE in anything...
BE menas to exist and LIEVE is derieved from the base word LIE
so when all put together you get to exist as a lie.................
so what do i know i know that there is somethin greater than me...
what that is, is the mystery......
i know for damn sure that the BIBLE is a story made up by men not by the 'LORD'....
basically i dont think that there is a heaven hell or nonna that shit....
i know that we amke our own destinies and control everything that happens to and around us.............

honestly i believe in god. reason being partly because my family is, but as I got older, I decided to have a look at some of the other religions, and honestly, mine seems to make sense to ME as an individual. I think it all rests on opinion. In my opinion, my religino is true. In your opinion, your religion is true. When it comes to religion (and lots of other things), I do not think there is a true meaning fo the word "fact", it is all opinion. So it cannot eb siad "this" religion is true but "this" is not. Its opinion. While some may think that we are here by coincidence, I think not. Simple rules, like gravity, will not invent themselves. Now don't give me the crap about "larger mass having a pulling force" etc etc, because that is a RULE, and one of the foundations I believe god put in. This is why education is looked upon highly in religion, to understand how things work, and to REALISE that god has created them that way. Nautre..the seasons...the moon..the tides...ok there are reasons why all of them are there, but we have to understand GOD has created them instead of looking at some geeks formula. See, this is the human nature thing, they would rather believe a formula (which is very likely is true), than understand that if there was no god, there would have been nothing to calculate. Think about it. Carbon Dating. We now know how it works, but it's something that according to science could have always been done. So people are saying that just because we didnt know about carbon dating 2000 years ago it wasnt possible? No. It was possible, science just hadnt advanced that much. Basically I doubt any of the above made any sense, but my final point is to understand how things work and happen, but to realise god put them there. Just my view. Feel free to murk lol

^^yo bro nice explanation..what religeon are you by the way..just wonderin if you researched your religeon..

oh yeah and bout those natural insticts anger and greed shit..its true we cannot deny their natural..but obviously those are the shits that gave humans the killer instinct..these natural instincts will lead us to hell..thats why its called satanism for god's sake..

when people start accepting this thing like the satanism is the realest religeon....the world will fuck up even more..

ooooh your youre own god..so say i believe women are for fucking and shit..shit will be taken so damn lightly..like you say.."whats wrong with being gay" then go on and sleep with men cause you your own god and you created yourself to believe that shit..

Islam,Christianity and other stuff were created for a reason..to lead us into the right path under God's guidance..if we used our own guidance our killer instinct would be unleashed anytime..

so don't take any chances(advice)

i ain't tryna be a philospher im a follower..

bro I'm muslim, but seriously, I'm not as knowledgable as you would (or not) think, I just think about things on different planes and share ideas, if I was half as knowledgable as some of these guys here, I would put across a much better argument..

and bro don't question your philosopher side, it allows you to learn in such great depth to be able to see things in ways others might not. if you want to go into deeper philosophy, provided you keep and open mind and know where you are going, it should, bring you CLOSER to religion. this is another reason why spirituality and religion are linked (to a certain extent).

^^thanks for the advice bro..im muslim too..cool..you could check out my contradiction drop..its kinda the situation muslims are dealing with now and howwer deal with it..

wow, what a thought porvoking thread

i reckon people chose to believe in a higher power because there has to be something more then life and then death. ok you can say the only reason we are here is to repoduce and evolve....but if that was the case then why is there a growing fascination with love, hate, power, religion...etc.

personally i belive in reincarnation (hinduism) but every religion has its faults. i'd rather HOPE there is 'god' then not believe there isn't one at all!

I believe Jesus Crist died for our sins and all who answer your door will be invited for everlasting life in paradise as long as you accept him as your personal savior and keep his words. You all can be a part of it it you want to.

i believe in god, but not the bible god, like a higher being.....yea

n i use to be confused, why god, why a male... then i thought about it.. like earth is mother nature, a female, so why not something that's intangible be a male

i dont believe in god, an afterlife/ heaven 7 hell etc

although there is evidence to prove JC existed and was crucified......there is none to say he did come back 2 live......although there is a theory that he didnt die on the cross cos he took osme really strong shit so he dint feel the pain so he dint beocme exhausted as easily and that he was cutdown b4 he could have died

it says in thr bible that he died inside 5 hours..........but crucifixion normally takes 3 days to result in dead 3 days.....however if his legs had been broken he would have died much quicker....but i dont think it makes mention of that

i go 2 a catholic school......and some the siht the RE teachers come out with makes me sick.....theyre all cunts lol......

religion is a way for ugly people to make excuses for not haivng sex
yep

and crucifixion would be well painful......probablt even most painful that anal Impaling

Heh, I don't really give a shit about personal religion and bla bla. I know what I am, and where i'm going. So I don't really care. (At least in hell, they have good music =P)

I am interested in religous art though =)

[Side Note: Someone in this thread *cant be bothered going back and finding where he said it* pretty much made alot of sense. Something about Spirituality + Human Nature = Religion.]