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grove street 12-22-2005, 11:39 PM I have started to listen to Immortal Technique and the guy just blows my brains out, defiantly one of the best emcees I have ever heard. He really has the ability to get people interested in topics like politics, a true musical activist of our time. Every time I hear one of his songs I think to myself if Immortal Technique was able to go mainstream without changing his views/image then more people would have respect for rap, but at the same time a part of me knows that he would be overlooked, due to the fact that the majority of mainstream rap is fill of posers and the majority of mainstream rap fans are nothing but suburban wannabe gangstas. All these 13 year old kids would probably be like. ''Who's dat nigga, never heard of him, he can't be dat gud if they dnt play him on MTV, when I get home I'm going to throw a hissy fit until my parents buy me 50 Cent's new album cuz he's so gangsta.''
It really shows how much Hip-Hop has deteriorated when a rappers skills are based around how many times they have been shot, how much money/jewelry they have and how big their car rims are instead of how good they are at actually rapping.
PeeJai 12-22-2005, 11:51 PM Yes IF <<big if, he could find a label that lets him do what he wants he could go nas sorta mainstream, nobody is going to get really big like 50 etc. and be real/good because of what you said before about the 13 year olds. But i don't think he should go mainstream anyway, if you appreciate hip hop for the music rather than the name and how famous they are then you will appreciate him and know he is one of the best rappers around atm, he is making good music so i wouldn't ask him to change, no.
Immortal technique is god.....its impossible for him to go mainstream and if he does go mainstream, 99% of his shit would be so censord or it would cause MAJOR problems/conflicts (ide love it)...the man speaks nothin but 100% hardcore truth..im not dickridin the man but this tech's music goes like crack...ever since I started to listen to technique ive been opened to the truth about alota shit and more involved in politics....
the same shit you said niggas would b like, ''Who's dat nigga, never heard of him, he can't be dat gud if they dnt play him on MTV, when I get home I'm going to throw a hissy fit until my parents buy me 50 Cent's new album cuz he's so gangsta.'' .... you just don't understand i hear that shit everyother day seriously...its sad...I would love for him to go mainstream, he could neva turn into a pop fruit cake like 50 and them because he would of simply went with the large advances that he was previously offered by Sony and Def Jam...niggas are always sayin that nigga is too political or somethin but its just the truth..
peep this interview....
http://www.dubcnm.com/videos/immortal_technique-dubcnn_interview-(dubcnn).wmv
::bump::...n e 1 watch the interview?
X-NINE 12-23-2005, 01:59 AM hes should go mainstream, Just cuz sumone goes mainstream dont mean they sell out, plus I think he'd try a lot in his power to get his controversial messages acrooss plus the masses need more exposure to the tuth, that being immortal technique
D^Coy 12-23-2005, 02:40 AM If he goes mainstream, then he better stop saying bullshit when it comes to politics...
SYmBiOTe 12-23-2005, 03:38 AM ^^^what the fuck..the shit he says is all true damn it..unbelievable..what you just said..
unless you mean it in a way that people would get insulted by the truth so he should lower it down..
but he mentioned he was never gonna do that..in "obnoxious"..
man just listening to dance with the devil is not enough..you need to listen to the whole of revolutionary vol 2 (his best) to appreciate him..
grove street 12-23-2005, 06:02 AM If he goes mainstream, then he better stop saying bullshit when it comes to politics...
If you don't like his political views then maybe you could consider listening to country music.
Glenn Swagmire 12-23-2005, 03:14 PM didnt def jam and sony try to sign him after revoloutionary vol2 came out ?
D^Coy 12-23-2005, 03:25 PM ^^^what the fuck..the shit he says is all true damn it..unbelievable..what you just said..
Sigh...
When it comes to his political views, it's like he really didn't take the time out to even do a little more history and research on it. I'm not saying what he's spitting is bad. I'm just saying he should get more information about certain subjects beforehand.
This shit is run by fake Christians, fake politicians
Look at they mansions, then look at the conditions you live in
All they talk about is terrorism on television
They tell you to listen, but they don't really tell you they mission
They funded Al-Qaeda, and now they blame the Muslim religion
Even though Bin Laden, was a CIA tactician
They gave him billions of dollars, and they funded his purpose
Fahrenheit 9/11, that's just scratchin' the surface
You'd basically get this kind of information by watching the Fox News Channel.
prankster198 12-23-2005, 03:56 PM dont think he should
If he goes mainstream, then he better stop saying bullshit when it comes to politics...
you don't know wtf your talking about.....you obviously are a blind fool who can't back up what you say. what bullshit?
Sigh...
When it comes to his political views, it's like he really didn't take the time out to even do a little more history and research on it. I'm not saying what he's spitting is bad. I'm just saying he should get more information about certain subjects beforehand.
You'd basically get this kind of information by watching the Fox News Channel.
GEt the fuck outa here...you people stop sayin shit that make no sence....
you would never hear shit from the 4th branch on the news...internally bleeding...leaving the past...you would't hear shit like this either:
"The way the government downplays historical facts
'Cuz the United States sponsored the rise of the 3rd Reich
Just like the CIA trained terrorists to the fight
"
"
They gave Al Queda 6 billion dollars in 1989 to 1992
And now the last chapters of Revelations are coming true
And I know a lot of people find it hard to swallow this
Because subliminal bigotry makes you hate my politics
But you act like America wouldn't destroy two buildings
In a country that was sponsoring bombs dropped on our children
I was watching the Towers, and though I wasn't the closest
I saw them crumble to the Earth like they was full of explosives
And they thought nobody noticed the news report that they did
About the bombs planted on the George Washington bridge
Four Non-Arabs arrested during the emergency
And then it disappeared from the news permanently
They dubbed a tape of Osama, and they said it was proof
"Jealous of our freedom," I can't believe you bought that excuse
Rockin a motherfucking flag don't make you a hero
Word to Ground Zero
The Devil crept into Heaven, God overslept on the 7th
The New World Order was born on September 11
"
"And just so Conservatives don't take it to heart
I don't think Bush did it, 'cuz he isn't that smart
He's just a stupid puppet taking orders on his cell phone
From the same people that sabotaged Senator Wellstone
The military industry got it poppin' and lockin'
Looking for a way to justify the Wolfowitz Doctrine
And as a matter of fact, Rumsfeld, now that I think back
Without 9/11, you couldn't have a war in Iraq
Or a Defense budget of world conquest proportions
Kill freedom of speech and revoke the right to abortions
Tax cut extortion, a blessing to the wealthy and wicked
But you still have to answer to the Armageddon you scripted
And Dick Cheney, you fuckin leech, tell them your plans
About building your pipelines through Afghanistan
And how Israeli troops trained the Taliban in Pakistan
You might have some house niggaz fooled, but I understand
Colonialism is sponsored by corporations
That's why Halliburton gets paid to rebuild nations
Tell me the truth, I don't scare into paralysis
I know the CIA saw Bin Laden on dialysis
In '98 when he was Top Ten for the FBI
Government ties is really why the Government lies
Read it yourself instead of asking the Government why
'Cuz then the Cause of Death will cause the propaganda to die..
"
etc..
get the fuck outa here with that non-constructional criticism....
didnt def jam and sony try to sign him after revoloutionary vol2 came out ?
yeh...from the interview he said hes gotten lots of development deals n artist deals, some of the major ones were def jam n sony
Young-Legacy 12-23-2005, 04:40 PM no doubt he would make it as one of the hottest mainstream artists i think, but it all depends on the listeners ya kno. his political views and juss wha he says to some people may cause a lot of conflict n beef that he dont deserve to be into... as opposed to him bein undaground in which the only people that listen to him are the ones that like him and wanna listen to him. as good as he is i think he should stay underground seein as how much you hear him talkin about how much he loves to stay true to the undaground. he'll be makin good money n reckognition as one of the hottest undaground artists there are.
DMX1998 12-23-2005, 04:44 PM Of course he should go mainstream, he just cant become a bitch like most rappers do. He's gotta stay real. If X and 2pac could do it he can to.
D^Coy 12-23-2005, 04:55 PM you would never hear shit from the 4th branch on the news...internally bleeding...leaving the past...you would't hear shit like this either:
"The way the government downplays historical facts
'Cuz the United States sponsored the rise of the 3rd Reich
Just like the CIA trained terrorists to the fight
They have. Sorry, but it's true. Fox, CNN, etc. They've all said it. Remember what happened to CBS and why they did it?
He's basically, "hey, i learned this shit from books and the news, so i guess i'll rap about it."
Gokill Urselv 12-23-2005, 05:25 PM They have. Sorry, but it's true. Fox, CNN, etc. They've all said it. Remember what happened to CBS and why they did it?
He's basically, "hey, i learned this shit from books and the news, so i guess i'll rap about it."
I do agree with you on hearing it in books, movies ect. ect.
But that good thing thing about Technique is....He will appeal to many kids much more then books or movies will. Insted, some one can put on his cd relax listen to the lyrics which are not only political but always having some witty world play or amusing punchlines,
Im sure alot people will find it a better source of disscussion on politics, rather then a boring documentry or some thick 2,000 page book.
DIJINN 12-23-2005, 05:33 PM Hah.. I.T mainsteam ehh.. A Wider Audience mos def.. betta production and that sh!t would be tight.. but imagine this nigga on MTV Top 10 or sum shit hahah.. people won't get half the shit hes talking about..
grove street 12-23-2005, 07:02 PM If he went mainstream I could just imagine all these republican conservative christians trying to ban his music, hell there will proably even have a big gathering some where and throw his cd's into a bon fire like they do to harry potter.
PAX DECEPTICVS 12-23-2005, 07:11 PM dont think he should
On that note, I kinda agree. I just see the media, if he did go mainstream, kinda play he up to be the 'real' voice in modern day rap -which I kinda agree with in part- but then they'll just turn around and call him boring, and palyed like they did with Ms. Dynamite
On that note, I kinda agree. I just see the media, if he did go mainstream, kinda play he up to be the 'real' voice in modern day rap -which I kinda agree with in part- but then they'll just turn around and call him boring, and palyed like they did with Ms. Dynamite
well....either way he would still get recognition and others will see the truth...
SYmBiOTe 12-24-2005, 09:42 AM Sigh...
When it comes to his political views, it's like he really didn't take the time out to even do a little more history and research on it. I'm not saying what he's spitting is bad. I'm just saying he should get more information about certain subjects beforehand.
You'd basically get this kind of information by watching the Fox News Channel.
man..he mentioned fox news as snake ass bitches tryna manipulate ya opinions..
his politics is good man..instead of hearing bitches like lloy dbanks talk bout the governmentcontrollingthepolice bullshit..he researches..
and he spits it all with so much clarity..
young bane 12-24-2005, 01:46 PM it wud be cool...BUT ABSOLUTELY NOT! immortal technique is livin big aledy. He's runnin things on the underground. N if he were to go to the mainstream, he wudn't succeed n album sales. The mainstream side of hiphop nowadays dusnt want amazing lyricists they want sumn they can dance to sumn they can bump or sumn about the opposite sex. Immortal tech spits the realest, dopest stuff on deep topics, n i cant say u can dance to his tracks n i've never herd a song about the ladies frum him at least not the type the mainstream wants.
.Inphinite. 12-24-2005, 05:22 PM No..................
grove street 12-24-2005, 05:54 PM No..................
I think some of you Immortal Technique fans are greedy and want to keep him all to yourself:D
Tw!stEd 12-24-2005, 06:13 PM I think some of you Immortal Technique fans are greedy and want to keep him all to yourself
No, I spend ton's of time repping him...
I just dont want to see him in the chart's, as he would be a complete hypocrit if he did...
No, I spend ton's of time repping him...
I just dont want to see him in the chart's, as he would be a complete hypocrit if he did...
wtf? no he wouldn't...how
X-NINE 12-24-2005, 08:50 PM it wud be cool...BUT ABSOLUTELY NOT! immortal technique is livin big aledy. He's runnin things on the underground. N if he were to go to the mainstream, he wudn't succeed n album sales. The mainstream side of hiphop nowadays dusnt want amazing lyricists they want sumn they can dance to sumn they can bump or sumn about the opposite sex. Immortal tech spits the realest, dopest stuff on deep topics, n i cant say u can dance to his tracks n i've never herd a song about the ladies frum him at least not the type the mainstream wants.
NIGGA WTF IZ U TALKIN BOUT.....
this is another thing that pisses me off, iz dudes that think mainstreeam is about sellin out, that day get gets on major, hell spit some truth to the ppl, just cuz ur mainstream dont make u bad.....seriously, FUCK all this talk about "ur only hiphop if ur underground" BULLSHIT
it wud be cool...BUT ABSOLUTELY NOT! immortal technique is livin big aledy. He's runnin things on the underground. N if he were to go to the mainstream, he wudn't succeed n album sales. The mainstream side of hiphop nowadays dusnt want amazing lyricists they want sumn they can dance to sumn they can bump or sumn about the opposite sex. Immortal tech spits the realest, dopest stuff on deep topics, n i cant say u can dance to his tracks n i've never herd a song about the ladies frum him at least not the type the mainstream wants.
u sure he wouldnt succeed in album sales? he would get sales from underground as well as some mainstream as long as he keeps it real which is still doing better imo
NIGGA WTF IZ U TALKIN BOUT.....
this is another thing that pisses me off, iz dudes that think mainstreeam is about sellin out, that day get gets on major, hell spit some truth to the ppl, just cuz ur mainstream dont make u bad.....seriously, FUCK all this talk about "ur only hiphop if ur underground" BULLSHIT
ima make a graphic that says backpacker for them
DJ C4 12-24-2005, 09:51 PM i dont think he's got any mainstream appeal.
theres a reason pac got away with spittin poilitics to the mainstream and barely anyone else can
when you say shit back it up bro..because you don't know wht ur talkin about by saying such a comment as it seams
NYCSPITS 12-24-2005, 10:50 PM Sigh...
When it comes to his political views, it's like he really didn't take the time out to even do a little more history and research on it. I'm not saying what he's spitting is bad. I'm just saying he should get more information about certain subjects beforehand.
You'd basically get this kind of information by watching the Fox News Channel.
^^ lmao @ this imbecile, his IQ is prolly bordering 100, and he has no job. All he does is spit bullshit nobody cares about on RWs, and think he's smart. smh.
"Same shit by fox news"? Lol? Technique's spits lean left and fox is the most conservative station in the US. I think you're the one that needs to "do research" faggot
NYCSPITS 12-24-2005, 10:52 PM They have. Sorry, but it's true. Fox, CNN, etc. They've all said it. Remember what happened to CBS and why they did it?
He's basically, "hey, i learned this shit from books and the news, so i guess i'll rap about it."
Okay idiot, think outside the box. How many times was "runaway bride" and "jackson's trial" playing on the news while this was going on??? Americans have the attention span of fruit flies, it didn't process through their ignorant minds. You are obviously an example yourself
D^Coy 12-24-2005, 11:30 PM "Same shit by fox news"? Lol? Technique's spits lean left and fox is the most conservative station in the US.
No, you research it. I bet you can find 10 things I.T. said that Fox News has already said. You probably (not prolly) didn't start paying attention to politics until 9/11 struck. BTW, i don't even watch the damn channel.
think outside the box. How many times was "runaway bride" and "jackson's trial" playing on the news while this was going on??? Americans have the attention span of fruit flies, it didn't process through their ignorant minds. Yes, all americans think the same. Lets all listen to this guy because he seems to be very intelligent when it comes to us americans who watch the news.
And for the last damn time. Lay off my nuts.
And why didn't you post this here instead of sending me it as a message?
The rest of it has been left out considering it's just filler.
...immortal techniques messages sway to the left, yet you compare him to fox news???? Oh, you forgot to say anything about CNN. Any other network who seem to talk about the same shit (and still are) wouldn't be accurate because they all think differently. What, you guys don't watch TV anymore so you get all of your informations and FACTS out of thin air? Please tell me your secrets.
See, you guys back some of these rappers up with their lyrics while I go outside of the rap worlds.
So the question is, what's going to happen to I.T. if he goes mainstream? He'll probably start dissing emcees over dumbshit like "you're rap is decaying the sensitive minds of the American youth who's eyes look up to you, when basically truth wise they should be looking right through you." He'll probably be a crybaby. "You ain't shit", "i'm this", and "all of y'all wack" is what i'm expecting.
Oh, tell me how I.T. spits "true shit" when most of you didn't even watch the news before 9/11. For some of you when you listen to him, it's like "it all makes sense now!" when you don't even know the difference between a rep. and a dec.
So no. He shouldn't go mainstream.
NYCSPITS 12-24-2005, 11:51 PM You are a moron^^^ , your entire argument is based on speculation and childish disses ("you probably didn't watch the news before 9/11" , "for the last time get off my nuts")....I listen to the radio, read the paper, know people that are involved in politics. You're just some 20 year old geek with 3000 posts trying to own little kids through fallacies and fluff. Kill yourself please, you probably couldn't give me a fact on 9/11 if you tried.
And yes, your life is worthless, but keep trying though bitch. I'd love to see you in real life and verbally/physically own you. kill yourself.
NYCSPITS 12-24-2005, 11:54 PM the fact that fox and cnn seem to spew the same shit is meaningless. However, the fact that you compared I.T. to Fox of all news stations truly exposes your stupidity. Please bitch, I'm owning you without even trying, come harder than that
D^Coy 12-25-2005, 12:08 AM I guess my dick has good taste :(
-walks away-
NYCSPITS 12-25-2005, 12:14 AM ^^ point proven, he's a 20 year old geek with no life, so he tries to act big and spit condescending shit @ kids younger and much more intelligent than him...rofl, go chew some dip and spew racial slurs or some shit, you dumbass hick
SpareChange 12-25-2005, 12:17 AM he should go mainstream then finally the mainstream public will actually be exposed to the truth, you know finally listen to the real shit. i'm confident he won't sell out, seriously man instead of playing some candy 50 cent shit, play hard-core lyrics that can change the world
grove street 12-25-2005, 01:14 AM he should go mainstream then finally the mainstream public will actually be exposed to the truth, you know finally listen to the real shit. I'm confident he won't sell out, seriously man instead of playing some candy 50 cent shit, play hard-core lyrics that can change the world
It will be like going back to the days of Public Enemy.
I read in an interview that Immortal Technique was interested in politics long before 9-11. He said in a interview he would try to read a book a month, from there it grew to 2 months, eventually it was a book a week and while in prison he would read a book every two days. He talks about while in prison he taught himself to speed read and how he read books in prison like the history of the Cuban revolution. He talks about how his thirst for knowledge grew in the song. ''You Never Now''.
He's a pretty bright cookie :D and that's why we need more people like him in the game.
NotoriouSFaN 12-25-2005, 01:26 AM He shouldn't go mainstream, mainstream should go IT.
He shouldn't go mainstream, mainstream should go IT.
word......ima use that
^^ point proven, he's a 20 year old geek with no life, so he tries to act big and spit condescending shit @ kids younger and much more intelligent than him...rofl, go chew some dip and spew racial slurs or some shit, you dumbass hick
ownededness...you already owned him just let his remains sit an decay
also decoy...you are right when you say some of the shit Immortal technique raps about shit you hear on the news, but obviously cnn,fox etc.. will bring it across in a biased view to manipulate your opinion, for example: how tech says:
"
we gave al quieda 6 billion dollars in 1989 to 1992 an now the last chapters of revelations r commin tru.....aside from the bible aspect...everyone knows we gave them the money but how the news brings it across is that it was to "ensure america's protection"....matta fact it was the director of the CIA that said whats more important? toppling the russian intrest in afganastan? or havin a bunch of crazy people from the taliban runnin around, n it didnt look like nothing back then but look what happen...its a situation that has come out of control and now you have the taliban that was harboring terrorist..
"
Decoy did you watch the interview ?? I posted the link on the first page...yall niggas peep that shit
Donmega 12-25-2005, 12:57 PM ^ ever heard about Edit?
Plug Zero 12-25-2005, 05:41 PM if Immortal Technique was able to go mainstream without changing his views/image
^That right there is impossible. It's only about money to the record label, so they would totally fuck with IT's image. I don't like IT, but I'm positive he would lose all his respect from old fans if he signed to a major label. Maybe it's just me, but I proceed to like some of my favourite artists more when nobody else know's about them. Otherwise, I'm just a poser and that's not cool.
He shouldn't go mainstream, mainstream should go IT.
That right there is the truth, minus his wack flow.
Tw!stEd 12-25-2005, 05:56 PM He don't need to anyway, He has a niche market, and proberly earns more then alot of mainstream rapper's...
^That right there is impossible. It's only about money to the record label, so they would totally fuck with IT's image. I don't like IT, but I'm positive he would lose all his respect from old fans if he signed to a major label. Maybe it's just me, but I proceed to like some of my favourite artists more when nobody else know's about them. Otherwise, I'm just a poser and that's not cool.
That right there is the truth, minus his wack flow.
dont come here with that bullshit...how would he loose respect...they wouldnt change his image man..get the fuck outa here..if that was so and he was easily changed by money..he would of easily taken 1 of the many large advances he was offered by sony def jam and some others....btw listen to his new shit..his flow is ill...his shit was wack b4
omicron 12-25-2005, 08:41 PM this is the dumbest thread
IT will NEVER go mainstream
so whats the point in talking about it
^^^ dont totally agree with coldlampin, but i know i would lose MAD respect for IT if he went mainstream.
X-NINE 12-25-2005, 09:55 PM ^what makes it bad if a nigga goes mainstream? Like I said, theres no such thing as being hiphop if ur only underground........thats shits a fuckin misconception
well like ive sayin...people say stuff but they don't give supporting details or back up what they say to make it a valid opinion...
wtf y do people say it would be hypocritical if he went mainstream.....being apart of mainstream doesn't mean that the person's mentality and priorities will be forgettin/changed nor does it mean that the person will become a money lovin pop star.....
you gotta realize most of the people in mainstream rap or hiphop or w/e you wanna call it had the want for money/fame/riches/recognition...they wanted to be successful rappers and be rich...they had no desire in making a difference in society or bringing out the truth in poiltics or just doin shit for tha love of hiphop....niggas nowadays are more focused capitalistic ideals and "livin tha life wit money cars money bitches n money." fuck that......there aint nothing wrong with wantin to make money and be relaxed but thats what mainstream hiphop is MOSTLY about...tech aint about that shit and i don't know where you get that from...
the main problem with mainstream hiphop always being about money, bitches, guns and related shit, is that THAT itself plays a role on society which we all know but the point im tryin to make is that tech aint about himself..that nigga's revolutionary..fuck outta here..
this thread is pointless now
omicron 12-26-2005, 12:49 AM ^what makes it bad if a nigga goes mainstream? Like I said, theres no such thing as being hiphop if ur only underground........thats shits a fuckin misconception
if he goes mainstream, he'll just fall off like 99% of other ppl do when they go mainstream from underground, what label is gonna want to sign this kid? my mind aftermath will try to get this guy, then he'll start doing songs with em, game, all those wackasses, trust me he'll fall off
hes better off underground, ur not gonna hear any of his raw rhymes hes doing rite now on mainstream ill tell ya that for sure
if he goes mainstream, he'll just fall off like 99% of other ppl do when they go mainstream from underground, what label is gonna want to sign this kid? my mind aftermath will try to get this guy, then he'll start doing songs with em, game, all those wackasses, trust me he'll fall off
hes better off underground, ur not gonna hear any of his raw rhymes hes doing rite now on mainstream ill tell ya that for sure
your doin that on purpose so i can keep talkin shit....did u even read my post ^^
X-NINE 12-26-2005, 04:29 AM if he goes mainstream, he'll just fall off like 99% of other ppl do when they go mainstream from underground, what label is gonna want to sign this kid? my mind aftermath will try to get this guy, then he'll start doing songs with em, game, all those wackasses, trust me he'll fall off
hes better off underground, ur not gonna hear any of his raw rhymes hes doing rite now on mainstream ill tell ya that for sure
yea and what i was I saying about "just cuz u underground, dont mean ur hiphop"? talk
First off if some one from the underground got mainstream appeal, they are open to alotta shit that could get thrown at em, true.......
Its only bad if you let ur self become a fuckin media rapper, thats having lies told about ya on and off, and letting yourself become vulnerable and let urself become controlled by that label, and not have no say in what u do on tha shit................so what, Mf Doom got mainstream appeal, off that Dangerdoom album, got tha shit gettin commercialz on Adult swim, and u mean to tell me, thats not keepin it real? Tech would not let no label get in his ear about shit, his interviews, commentary and rapping, speakz for itself....if he got on there he'd GET some more fuckin exposure and the attnetion he deserves, rather than stay in the fuckin unknown, which is the underground.....as long as he stays true to the art and makes a real difference, THEN he's str8.
SYmBiOTe 12-26-2005, 11:20 AM omicron i cannot believe you just said IT would do shit with that homo eminem..
and x97 your fuckin nose is HUGE
Plug Zero 12-26-2005, 11:51 AM ^what makes it bad if a nigga goes mainstream? Like I said, theres no such thing as being hiphop if ur only underground........thats shits a fuckin misconception
Maybe what I said came out wrong.
I truly believe that the only way a major record label (eg. Aftermath, DefJam) would ever sign Immortal Technique would be if he was willing to change his style, even if just slightly. I don't think you'd ever hear another song like Dance With The Devil if he got signed.
And...
Since I know IT would never do that to his fans, he would never change his style for more money, he'd never get signed to a major label (eg. Aftermath, DefJam, Rocafella).
The two things just don't agree with eachother
grove street 12-27-2005, 02:20 AM If he ever went mainstream, he would never be as big as 50 Cent, his popularity would be as similar to Nas. Even though Nas is a rap legend, he is mostly only popular among st true hip hop fans. Ask any kid if they know who 50 Cent is and most of them will tell you they know who he is, ask any kid who Nas is and most of them will probably say they have heard OF him, but haven't heard any of his music.
The same thing probably applies to Big Pun too.
D^Coy 12-27-2005, 02:50 AM Y'all can say I.T. won't do some of these things, but who would have predicted 50 Cent bringing a whole lot of people to his label? Sooner or later, something's going to click in his head and he'll be like, "i really need some money."
And ya gotta remember. When you go mainstream, you're gonna owe a lot of people money.
SYmBiOTe 12-27-2005, 08:49 AM ^^he is a different kinda emecee..and he is quite rich(most indie kinda fuckers are like that)..he dont need that much money..so hes gonna stay an underground nigga..
grove street 12-28-2005, 06:46 AM Immortal Technique mostly appeals to a niche market, but his popularity in underground hip hop is huge across the world and is continuously growing, sooner or later his label Viper Records is going to take off and become a huge success in terms of an indie label.
Plug Zero 12-28-2005, 02:26 PM What's the point in even wanting him to go mainstream. He's got plenty of money. It's not like he's not gonna stop making records. Sure, he'll get more money if he signs, but how do you benefit?
FlamingBlade 12-28-2005, 03:12 PM Put it this way.
Mainstream = more exposure/possible changes = more money
Underground = illest realest rhymes = less money
Honestly I dont give a fuck if he goes mainstream or not, as long as he drops the realest, illest and truest rhymes then I'm ok with that. But personally, I am edging towards staying underground as he is one of my all time favourites and I hope he don't change.
omicron 12-28-2005, 07:26 PM lol symbiote why u talking like u fucking know him in real life or something
flamingblade said it
Underground = illest realest rhymes = less money
if he goes mainstream people might still think hes really ill, but he wont have his nice rhymes he has rite now, AS I SAID BEFORE. u dumb fucks. fucking pay attention
and for that, is why i will lose respect for him if he goes mainstream
D^Coy 12-28-2005, 07:30 PM lol symbiote why u talking like u fucking know him in real life or somethingThat's why I argue with some of the people on here.
ObnoxiousRapper 01-01-2006, 04:31 AM He should go mainstream but only if he could keep he's style,which is kinda hard.We would still be dope no doubt,but probably more soft,he's massage dosen't have any mainstream appeal,and he could sure piss some people off.
*Toby* 01-01-2006, 12:40 PM truthfully,
I hope he doesn't b/c he will just continue you the fad....
it's bad enough turning on BET and having to see:
Ja Rule
Lil Wayne
DMX
50 Cent
Jermaine Dupri
Ludacris
T-Pain
Fat Joe
and all them other ugly cats
I dont wanna see I.Tech's hootie and the blowfish look a like ass.
I like him way better just on my mp3 player.
Tw!stEd 01-01-2006, 01:47 PM Why do people automatically assume mainstream means the artists get's more money?
90%+ goes to label's, record exec's, distributer's, manager's...
Alot of the car's/houses are rented...
whereas Tech earn's around $400,000(estimated) a year...
Necro and Ill Bill are millionaires....
IdE-iLL™ 01-01-2006, 01:55 PM Tech'd never go mainstream.
Imperium 01-01-2006, 08:51 PM i couldnt care either way, it wouldnt make a difference to me, then again it would be nice to see some underground artists get some recgonition. What did annoy me about this thread is you assume everything he says is true and insightful. Decoy has got a point, he does get alot of his 'info' from the media and i think its pretty sad that alot of you seem to automatically assume that because he spit something it has to be true. Seems like ya'll brain washed to me
Tw!stEd 01-01-2006, 09:27 PM it would be nice to see some underground artists get some recgonition
Then their no longer Underground....
Decoy has got a point, he does get alot of his 'info' from the media and i think its pretty sad that alot of you seem to automatically assume that because he spit something it has to be true.
Dude, you need to sort out your word useage....
Media:
Messages that are distributed through the technologies, principally text in books, study guides and computer networks; sound in audio-tapes and broadcast: pictures in video-tapes and broadcast; text, sound and/or pictures in a teleconference.
That encompasses anything you see...
www.infowars.com (http://www.infowars.com) is media...
just as www.bbc.co.uk (http://www.bbc.co.uk) is
So if he werent getting his info from the media, then his either seeing it first hand, or making it up...
I assume ya meant mass media....Which is wrong...
Alot of his info is heavily used from conspiracy sites, and he has been qouted on a few...
Sorry to go off on a tangent there....
I aggree, Tech has alot of people who belive anything he spit's, and people who do that are as bad as those brainwashed by mass media...
You have to keep open minded and read everything.
Imperium 01-01-2006, 09:35 PM smh@ you nit picking my post and then agreeing with me :(. Your last sentence summed up what a was trying to get across though
Tech has alot of people who belive anything he spit's, and people who do that are as bad as those brainwashed by mass media...
You have to keep open minded and read everything.
But i do apoligise for using the word media, obivously i meant mass media :( thank you for pointing it out to me. But yeh conspricy sites...alot of his conspircay theoeirs are borrowed from said sites and therefore people need to realise that some have no proof, and it wasn't tech who made them up. I should surport Tech as his rhymes and views are boradly left wing but theres something about him which grates on me. I wish he wouldnt assume everything he read was a fact, he needs to take your advise and do some more broad reading.
wtf you guys are idiots....who takes everything he says to be true...i listen to his shit and do my own research....he has credibility because a majority of what he spits is proven and why do you say its a "conspiracy theory" give an example?.....what 911? what?
SYmBiOTe 01-02-2006, 02:57 AM Why do people automatically assume mainstream means the artists get's more money?
90%+ goes to label's, record exec's, distributer's, manager's...
Alot of the car's/houses are rented...
whereas Tech earn's around $400,000(estimated) a year...
Necro and Ill Bill are millionaires....
^^theres the shit for ya omicron..im not sayin that i know i.t....
but hes rich enough underground..
omicron 01-02-2006, 06:06 AM ^^^
shut the fuck up u lil fag
when did i say anything about how they didnt make money
u fucken dumbass
Tw!stEd 01-02-2006, 11:38 AM smh@ you nit picking my post and then agreeing with me
Smh @ you going onto msn and telling me to argue with you...
he has credibility because a majority of what he spits is proven and why do you say its a "conspiracy theory" give an example?
When did the Illuminati declare themselves....
When has it been proven that the Knight's Templar found anything in Soloman's Temple(Or that there was ever Treasure in vaults under it)...
shit at least your honest n not fake like some ppl here but
il post shit about the knight's templar shit a little later but for starters check out that uhm..documentary on martial law where it has bush and kerry talking about there affiliation in skull and bones secret society and watch bush's reaction when they ask him on the spot how he gets nervous....remember these are secret societies so theres not gonna b much publicity on them but when there was they decided to go public....check out that documentary...www.revradio.org/movies/ml.wmv that shit is ill....its long but its worth it....it talks about the bohemian grove where they did the cremation of care or something i gotta check, skull n bones, masons illuminati...all that shit..peep it bro 1
Donmega 01-02-2006, 01:25 PM ']shit at least your honest n not fake like some ppl here but
who's fake?
Tw!stEd 01-02-2006, 01:34 PM it talks about the bohemian grove where they did the cremation of care or something i gotta check
I watched the Alex Jones one...
Aload of crap to me...
A two hour hour propaganda speech against paganism doesn't prove jack...
Imperium 01-02-2006, 03:59 PM Anything looks like it can be 'proven' given the right amount of bias. Something which can look like proof can be taken in a completly different way by someone else, given different influences and circumstances. The illuminati is a nice little theory but i'm not sure im entirly convinced. Ill check out your link later one when i get time.
drastik9 01-02-2006, 05:42 PM You'd basically get this kind of information by watching the Fox News Channel.
You mean CNN. Fox News has always been known for its more conservative views in politics.
Tw!stEd 01-02-2006, 05:51 PM check out that documentary...www.revradio.org/movies/ml.wmv that shit is ill....its long but its worth it....it talks about the bohemian grove where they did the cremation of care or something i gotta check, skull n bones, masons illuminati...all that shit..peep it bro 1
Meh
Was welll too bias...
The bit's about the explosions are the only thing that I really took away from that video...
Everyone knows that the powerfull people are linked...
That doesn't mean that there are one group running the world...
And that they all worship Satan ect....
Meh I believe that there are people running shit behind the scenes, bu aint none of them people in the vid, else that vid wouldnt be around, n neither would Alex Jones...
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