Fucking Disgusting.

Article. (http://blogs.sohh.com/media_check/archives/2006/04/new_york_newspa.html)

im gonna email him multiple times

Use of the word "executed" was a bit far fetched. But what did you expect the article to say? Journalists have no clue about hip hop culture, to them, it's an opportunity to say "hip hop is the cause of violence and here's the proof" (no pun intended). They'll just never understand it, but they will continue to use it in a negative fashion that attempts to deter people away from hip hop, essentially making hip hop the "fall guy" of the music industry

No one should be dissed about their death, but I've lost respect for him. He murdered a bouncer, and died. On top of that, he started the fight, there was no reason to take out a gun to handle his business.

bill.hoffmann@nypost.com


This dudes gonna have to change email addresses. Im not even gonna say what I want to do to buddy cuz Im sure others feel the same way and when it happens I aint goin down for it.

ima go email that dude, stupid piece of fuck

executed and 'blew his brains out'..wtf no need for these words

Yeh was harsh...god i hate it how they go back to that old east/west b/s with pac n big...proves they know jack shit

^He Wasn't Going Back To The Big/Tupac Shit, He Was Trying To Be Funny & Belittle/Mock Us As Minorities/Hip Hop Culture.

You think thats bad?
Check out how disrespectful these guys are:
http://www.gta-sanandreas.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=69213&st=100
But of course, These are braindead white teenagers, not Respected men of the media.

You think thats bad?
Check out how disrespectful these guys are:
http://www.gta-sanandreas.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=69213&st=100
But of course, These are braindead white teenagers, not Respected men of the media.

LOL thats the pussiest forum ive ever seen...wat queers

Even saying I like rap at school gets me looks and laughs.
"What do rap and candy bars have in common? You throw them out after!"
Smh..

Im curious, where do you live?
As long as you aren't posing it up acting black, I don't see how these people can mock you.

Im curious, where do you live?
As long as you aren't posing it up acting black, I don't see how these people can mock you.

Wtf? whats with u and the word 'black'..how can u act a color anyway :rolleyes:
Hip hop is based in more then 1 culture u fruitball

Wtf? whats with u and the word 'black'..how can u act a color anyway :rolleyes:
Hip hop is based in more then 1 culture u fruitball

Thank you. Well said.

Wtf? whats with u and the word 'black'..how can u act a color anyway :rolleyes:
Hip hop is based in more then 1 culture u fruitball
lmfao, Im a "fruitball" huh.
I don't wanna have another inmature text fight with another Low Self Esteem having wigger...

This happens whenever I keep it real with the braindead.
"Hood wear" was in the Black ghettos before it was adapted by the mainstream. By "Acting black" i mean "Ghetto black."
Simple as that.

The way he put it, it was like he gets mocked just for liking rap music. That just seemed strange to me. So I asked if he was a wigger, cause that would explain things.

Im curious, where do you live?
As long as you aren't posing it up acting black, I don't see how these people can mock you.

our school is like a bunch of ethnicity cliques... everyone of each race pretty much sticks together. so since im asian, we're kinda characterized as listenin to fob music or rock stuff...

anyways i had this one girl who came up to me and asked why did i have 'NWA' scribbled on the cover of my text book, and she had this really mocking face like as if i didnt know what NWA was... smh...

lmfao, Im a "fruitball" huh.
I don't wanna have another inmature text fight with another Low Self Esteem having wigger...

This happens whenever I keep it real with the braindead.
"Hood wear" was in the Black ghettos before it was adapted by the mainstream. By "Acting black" i mean "Ghetto black."
Simple as that.

The way he put it, it was like he gets mocked just for liking rap music. That just seemed strange to me. So I asked if he was a wigger, cause that would explain things.

I'd answer you, but I don't understand gibberish.
Please speak SLOWER.
..And with less spit. The news, not the weather.

lmfao, Im a "fruitball" huh.
I don't wanna have another inmature text fight with another Low Self Esteem having wigger...

This happens whenever I keep it real with the braindead.
"Hood wear" was in the Black ghettos before it was adapted by the mainstream. By "Acting black" i mean "Ghetto black."
Simple as that.

The way he put it, it was like he gets mocked just for liking rap music. That just seemed strange to me. So I asked if he was a wigger, cause that would explain things.

Why would we have a 'text' fight wtf...and why am i a low self esteem wigger? You can tell that from a post? Genius
So i hope u enjoyed trying to sound like a smart ass, if failed nicely...lmmfao...u sound like a twat trying to define black LOL...wat a tosser..go back to ur other ass fingering forum that u came from

our school is like a bunch of ethnicity cliques... everyone of each race pretty much sticks together. so since im asian, we're kinda characterized as listenin to fob music or rock stuff...

anyways i had this one girl who came up to me and asked why did i have 'NWA' scribbled on the cover of my text book, and she had this really mocking face like as if i didnt know what NWA was... smh...
Right, they don't expect you to listen to NWA. That's one of the positives to originality. Keep it real, don't try to be what your not.

I'd answer you, but I don't understand gibberish.
Please speak SLOWER.
..And with less spit. The news, not the weather.
LMAO. Are you braindead? We aren't in reality speaking to each other. I sadly can't emit bodily fluids over the interweb.
You can read my post at whatever speed you wish.
I don't know if that post was a sad joke or if your so used to the internet you can't tell the difference.
Go outside, sport.

1.Why would we have a 'text' fight wtf
2...and why am i a low self esteem wigger? You can tell that from a post?
3.So i hope u enjoyed trying to sound like a smart ass, if failed nicely...lmmfao...u sound like a twat trying to define black LOL...
1. Are you having problems with Memory Loss? YOU started this, YOU tell me. I was innocently asking the man a question.
2. Every wigger has Low Self-Esteem. Otherwise they wouldn't feel the need to act a different way to be excepted by there peers.
3. Rofl my waffles. I don't care what you say about the way I talk, cause im not a poser. Your atttempts to offend me have failed. Nice try though, sport.
I wasn't attempting to define black. I was telling you what EVERYONE means when they say "Acting black." You should thank me, since you were confused on such a simple subject.

Umm, big deal? The trash I have seen posted about certain fame deaths is far worse than "blew his brains out". What about when WWE wrestler Eddie Guererro died last year from heart complicatations? Coiln Cowherd of ESPN was quoted saying "Who cares that he died" and that it wasn't news worthy because he was a wrestler.

This dude's comments are nothing compared to that.

EDIT: And to make a point, your emails, petitions and animostity towards this guy aren't going to do shit. Colin Cowherd is still around, and was actually quoted dissing Eddie again a few weeks ago... That NY radio host who calls all blacks "Savage negro beasts" is still around. This is freedom of speech in its worst form, but there is next to nothing you can do about it.

^lmao @ that sight...I agree

Freedom Of Speech Is A Double Standard. Crackers Say Racist Shit And Get Away With It, But Let One Of Us Say Something Slightly About Lifting Our Own People, Or Anything Slightly Revolutionary, And We're "Breaching The Patriot Act"...

2. Every wigger has Low Self-Esteem. Otherwise they wouldn't feel the need to act a different way to be excepted by there peers.

^That's Actually True. And This Goes For ALL Races, Even Black...If You're Not From The Hood...Stop Acting Like It.

^^^^Are you actually implying that Projects have different personalities from Suburbs and Cities? That makes no sense at all ... And Rap, especially, has no characteristics. There are no qualifications in order to listen to or write Rap. Yeah so it originated in hoods, but now it's worldwide, origin means nothing, there are plenty of non-black, non-hood rappers that have a lot of respect and skill.

I wasn't attempting to define black. I was telling you what EVERYONE means when they say "Acting black." You should thank me, since you were confused on such a simple subject.
Everyone? So you took every human in the world, set up a poll with define vs opinion vs stupidity variables, and concluded 100% of the world's population thinks the same about "acting black"???

Once again, BillAbonG enters a thread and thinks he knows what he's talking about.

smh...

Crackers Say Racist Shit And Get Away With It, But Let One Of Us Say Something Slightly About Lifting Our Own People, Or Anything Slightly Revolutionary, And We're "Breaching The Patriot Act"...Honestly, i believe both blacks and whites feel the same way. Simply calling white male a "white boy" in oppose to a threat doesn't seem to be racist around certain areas of the world. But when you hear a white guy just say something like "that black guy", he becomes defensive because the afro-american feels as if a racist comment has been thrown.

Thats bullshit...imma e-mail him

damn jo...

Lmfao... That shit's hilarious.

Mad respect is due to the man for actually having the balls to state the truth other than hide being their false respects.

^^^^Are you actually implying that Projects have different personalities from Suburbs and Cities? That makes no sense at all ... And Rap, especially, has no characteristics. There are no qualifications in order to listen to or write Rap. Yeah so it originated in hoods, but now it's worldwide, origin means nothing, there are plenty of non-black, non-hood rappers that have a lot of respect and skill.Actually they do... I know it sounds wrong to state, but it's true. Believe me, I grew up in ghettos and projects, but now I live in the Suburbs. It's a completely different culture and lifestyle. Completely different sets of rules, respects, rights, and responsiblities.

1.Are you actually implying that Projects have different personalities from Suburbs and Cities? That makes no sense at all ...
2.And Rap, especially, has no characteristics. There are no qualifications in order to listen to or write Rap. Yeah so it originated in hoods, but now it's worldwide, origin means nothing, there are plenty of non-black, non-hood rappers that have a lot of respect and skill.
1. People keep trying to be politically correct, and won't except facts. Listen to ??????.
2. And I agree. But from my experience white rappers that aren't trying to be what there not, get a whole lot more respect then ones that are trying to act hood. It's just something you guys have to except.
Be Yourself, Keep it real.

^^^You're telling me, I'm from Camden originally, and I don't see anything about the world different there. Sure the lifestyle is different and people are more aggressive and less friendly etc., but does that give them this divine right to be the only one's that can listen to rap?


EDIT :: ^^^That was to Sadistyk


At Billabong yeah if you're filthy rich don't talk about having to risk your life everyday to put food on the table, that's being something you're not. But listening and/or writing rap is something anyone can do, not just people from project areas.

No... But rap, originally, was about a hard life. It's what people did to break out and express themselves. So people can listen to it, but unless they've been through some shit, they really have no right to spit.

You all have a lot to learn. How I would love to write a couple things for you all to read. Enlightenment is essential. Four points:

(1) Blacks and whites are different; and thus you can 'act black' and vice versa. This difference has nothing to do with where you live -- be it the projects or otherwise -- it is about something bigger than that. Blacks don't live by the same principles. And if true to themselves would reflect these differences in almost every area of society.

(2) The origins of anything should never be forgotten. When you forget a past you get exploited. Rappers are suffering this fate now. They're emphasis has deviated away from the core so as to accommodate a capitalist system that doesn't have black communities or black music at heart.

(3) Rap is not universal -- like country music isn't universal. Whites just hope it may be called universal to deprive it of its essentially black qualities. The whole hip-hop aura is premised on a past predicated by blackness. Listen to all forms of black music be it hip-hop, R&B, dancehall, and eke out the similarities. The beats are built around the black heartbeat. Why do you think whites can't dance to that heartbeat?

(4) Blacks should not be concerned about what whites consider racist. Whites have proven all too long ago that they don't have a proper hold on the definition.

MORE LATER...

^^Obviously never known a rich black man. They act just like rich white men. Believe me, I work at the air force academy. Nothing but rich kids and they all act the same, despite their color.

There have been black country stars, so obviously it's decently universal.

And explain how white people don't have a hold on the definition of racism. That's about the stupidest thing I've ever heard. You don't know shit about racism, you weren't around when the real shit was going on. You're just catching the aftershocks and acting like you're being discriminated. Ask your grandfather what discrimination is, I'm sure he can tell you horror stories that would turn you racist.

You all have a lot to learn. How I would love to write a couple things for you all to read. Enlightenment is essential. Four points:

(1) Blacks and whites are different; and thus you can 'act black' and vice versa. This difference has nothing to do with where you live -- be it the projects or otherwise -- it is about something bigger than that. Blacks don't live by the same principles. And if true to themselves would reflect these differences in almost every area of society.

(2) The origins of anything should never be forgotten. When you forget a past you get exploited. Rappers are suffering this fate now. They're emphasis has deviated away from the core so as to accommodate a capitalist system that doesn't have black communities or black music at heart.

(3) Rap is not universal -- like country music isn't universal. Whites just hope it may be called universal to deprive it of its essentially black qualities. The whole hip-hop aura is premised on a past predicated by blackness. Listen to all forms of black music be it hip-hop, R&B, dancehall, and eke out the similarities. The beats are built around the black heartbeat. Why do you think whites can't dance to that heartbeat?

(4) Blacks should not be concerned about what whites consider racist. Whites have proven all too long ago that they don't have a proper hold on the definition.

MORE LATER...

you'd think after all these years you'd finally get your head out ya ass and get some common sense... lmfao at that whole post.

this...
Whites just hope it may be called universal to deprive it of its essentially black qualities.
in particular was beyond laughable... prolly one of tha most ignorant statements i've read on here. So myself (and many other white people who love rap 'cos of how it makes them feel, and DON'T portray a 'gangsta' image when they're not) only like rap to try to take it away from black people?

i normally don't have a problem with anyone... but you have consistantly shown yourself to be the dumbest smart person i've ever seen. How someone with your ego and bookish intelligence can lack any common sense or grip of reality is literally mind blowing... incredible.

----
anyway, on to tha thread... yeah tha guys an idiot but hes not indicative of white people in rap, hes indicative of an upper class white section of tha media intent on villainising (sp? lol) hip hop... they exist its true... but most people (white/black/asian/martian) realise its tha extreme minority, and pay them no mind

Finally, somebody else said it besides me. I've known he was full of shit since I first came to this site but everybody seemed to respect his intelligence.

Lol at martian...

Saying Hip Hop is for blacks only...is that not just the same idea as saying the front of a bus is for whites only ?? same goes for saying its only for people from the hood or whatever.

Thank you, Oblivion and Sadistik. I feel complimented by you both. You have both demonstrated that you were offended by my words. Nothing more. You responded with such emotion. Such vigour. Such life.

America and the United Kingdom are two places dowsed with the stench of racism. They stink of oppression. Two places of one culture built atop two pillars: greed and imperialism. Two places of one culture with two twin principles: capitalism and democracy. Democracies which thrive off keeping the poor poor. Capitalism which thrive off cemeting into Black people a legacy of underachievment.

Thank you, Sadistik for pointing out that some Black people have gone astray. Start believing that whites are their friends because whites have money and now they have a little too. Those Blacks act like whites; but more often than not, they die poor like Blacks. They get rich because white people are simply using them, but they don't see it.

And if they're lucky enough to see it in their lifetimes, they stand atop cars and scream for their brothers to help (Jackson). They put down their guitar and overdose (Hendrix). Some Blacks sacrifice it all for a vagina of a different color (Bryant). Some Blacks sing music for money at the expense of the younger generations of their people (Jackson and an endless list). But they aren't the full story are they?

The more important Blacks are those who realised that the glimmer of diamonds and the weighlessness of cash money are mere follies. With the diamond comes death in the Mother Land. With the money comes famine and tribal bloodshed. The more important Blacks are those who realise that our inefficiency is the only thing which holds white society afloat. And there will be a day when we're not inefficient. This is not a dream it's a reality.

The more important Blacks don't live in agreeance with white society. That's impossible. Morality disallows such behavior.

Convincing a white person that white people dont understand racism is impossible.

Convincing a white person that they will never grasp the essence of rap music, or jazz, or the blues, or dancehall is impossible.

Convincing a white person that you can 'act Black' and that isn't a bad thing is impossible.

If you feel its necessary to hate me for what I believe than so be it. You hated my ancestors because they weren't on your side of the fence. And nothing has changed.

I do not care to convince white people of anything. I have no allegiance to them, nor are they my kinfolk. I'm not trying to convert white people. I'm not seeking equality with white people. I don't want integration. I'm not trying to assimilate into a white belief system. I don't care about white money. Or white neighborhoods. Or white religion.

And in time I've learned not to care about what white people think of me. I feel liberated. To know I wake up everyday and make decisions unguided by white philosophy or white society.

I am Black. My thoughts are Black. My ancestors are Black. My future will be Black. And I hold on to everything Black.

White does not fit into my equation, like Black does not fit into a white person's equation.

So now you're entitled to call me whatever name you will. Maybe you think 'racist' fits the bill. If you think I'm racist then you would undoubtedly prove you have no grasp of the term. But if you truly think I'm ignorant, or racist, or unintelligent, say what you will. I promise I will no longer respond to your comments. Because, like you, your comments are unimportant to me.

You're damn right I'm offended by your words. How the fuck would you feel if I said black people were stupid? Cause that's exactly what you just said.

Ignorant racist hypocritical piece of shit. I hope some white cop did beat you like King.

How come its not improper to call Chinese music Chinese, Turkish music Turkish, Arabic music Arabic, Indian music Indian, and so on; but the minute a person says Black music is Black, its improper?

Classical is yours. Have that. Bagpipes are yours. Have them. Trance. Have that. If you listen to music and there's no drumbeat -- have that. Respect your music and love your music because it is yours. It is your people's creation.

But don't claim Black music as being universal.

Your people knew nothing of drums and knew nothing of poetry over those drums. The beat of a drum is reflective of a heartbeat. You dont feel the drum like Blacks do. It's okay to be you. So it should be okay if we're us.

Please leave us alone to do us. Thank you.

Wow. Lets calm down for a little bit.
Eugene stop pissing people off...

Because those are countries, and those musics are origins of those countries. Like Rap is an American music. There is no country named Blackistan.

You hope a white cop beats me like King?

I know you better than you know yourself. I've had a long history with your kind.

Its funny: white's have spent so long calling Black American's 'African American'. Yet when this discussion arises, 'African American' music loses its 'African' and is embraced as 'American'.

Your logic is on-point.

My kind huh? And what's my kind? You prolly still think I'm white.

Well here's a hint. Both of my ancestries have suffered worse than yours ever has.

You all have a lot to learn. How I would love to write a couple things for you all to read. Enlightenment is essential. Four points:

(1) Blacks and whites are different; and thus you can 'act black' and vice versa. This difference has nothing to do with where you live -- be it the projects or otherwise -- it is about something bigger than that. Blacks don't live by the same principles. And if true to themselves would reflect these differences in almost every area of society.

(2) The origins of anything should never be forgotten. When you forget a past you get exploited. Rappers are suffering this fate now. They're emphasis has deviated away from the core so as to accommodate a capitalist system that doesn't have black communities or black music at heart.

(3) Rap is not universal -- like country music isn't universal. Whites just hope it may be called universal to deprive it of its essentially black qualities. The whole hip-hop aura is premised on a past predicated by blackness. Listen to all forms of black music be it hip-hop, R&B, dancehall, and eke out the similarities. The beats are built around the black heartbeat. Why do you think whites can't dance to that heartbeat?

(4) Blacks should not be concerned about what whites consider racist. Whites have proven all too long ago that they don't have a proper hold on the definition.

MORE LATER...

1. I somewhat agree.
However, "Acting black" is an adolecent term used to describe the hustler/gangster like style that many young black men and woman hold, it is certainly not used to describe black people as a whole.

2. Agreed.

3. Somewhat Agreed.

4. This especially got me, very true.

And by the way "Truth", don't take to heart what these people say. Your obviously very intelligent.
The people in this thread don't wanna read something that they do not like.

Oh, I have no doubt he's intelligent. He's smart as a mofucka. But he's ignorant, about this subject in particular.

1. I somewhat agree.
However, "Acting black" is an adolecent term used to describe the hustler/gangster like style that many young black men and woman hold, it is certainly not used to describe black people as a whole.

2. Agreed.

3. Somewhat Agreed.

4. This especially got me, very true.

And by the way "Truth", don't take to heart what these people say. Your obviously very intelligent.
The people in this thread don't wanna read something that they do not like.

I can understand your interpretation of the phrase 'acting Black'. Actually, many people hold your belief. But to me 'acting Black' is much bigger than that. A Black person acting anything other than Black is disguising who they truly are.

'Acting Black' is having respect for your Blackness and having love for Black culture, people and history. The love of the Black identity. It is the knowledge that you part of something greater than yourself.

'Acting Black' means you dont concern yourself with self but with the whole. Its a responsibility and an obligation.

'Acting Black' is not what they say it is. That is far too meagre a definition for Black people.

Oh, I have no doubt he's intelligent. He's smart as a mofucka. But he's ignorant, about this subject in particular.
How do you know that HE is the ignorant one? Perhaps your not looking at the big picture?

i agree with some of what truth said

but what are you saying, rap isn't universal? what you mean by that?

How do you know that HE is the ignorant one? Perhaps your not looking at the big picture?Or maybe you're not. My people have been through some shit too. Maybe I've been threw some shit too. And maybe I don't cry about it all the time like he does. I see it as fuck em, they're ignorant and not worth my time. They'll rot in whichever religions hell is right.

As will he as long as he hates his own species.

Truth... "eugene"... you are intelligent, but you have 0 grip of reality. You're a wannabe 3rd generation lite-activist who thinks subliminal racism and degrading remarks about another race actually constitutes fighting for YOUR peoples rights and power...

i really have nothing to say to you, or anyone who takes your attitude. you think i'm being ignorant at disagreeing with you, i think you're being ignorant by some of tha stupidest remarks i've read. lets leave it at that... 'cos frankly, i'm astonished.

i agree with some of what truth said

but what are you saying, rap isn't universal? what you mean by that?

Is rap universal?

The answer to that question requires analysis of both the definition of 'rap' and 'universal'. The definition of universal is not difficult. We all know what universal means. But the meaning of rap alludes so many. It alludes modern day rappers who merely see rap as a money making strategy.

Black music -- with its heavy reliance on drumbeats -- has changed in America and around the world. When Black people were strung together in the hold of ships. When they finally made it to this new place. When their bodies were oiled. When they were sold. And when they found themselves working without freedom. There was one thing that whites couldn't take away from Blacks. No home. No religion of our own. But we communicated. We communicated through song. We danced and we sang and we beat our drum.

And we survived on the rhythm of our song. That song has transformed itself in the modern day. The 'slave spiritual' became R&B and Hip-hop. In the West Indies it became Dancehall, Soca and Calypso. It became Jazz and the Blues. This is our music because it results from a combination of our struggle and our hearts' way of living through it.

The slaveowner's heart wasn't moved by our slave spiritual. And rightly so. That was not the slave spiritual's purpose. And today, no matter how much some may want rap to be universal, it cannot be. As Blacks we have no choice but to sing in english. Our tribal tongues are gone. So because we speak in english, other english speaking peoples are destined to see the art form and try it. Some come to appreciate the music. Some love it. But none truly understand the essence of Black music. Because they can't. They shouldn't.

Rap is 'the byproduct of a Black struggle'. If you're white, you can't feel it. When the feeling behind something isn't universal, the thing itself cannot be universal.

Let me be clear: I never said white's can't sing and like rap. I never make such claims. But when they sing and dance to rap, then they are rejoicing in Black music. When a white person sings or dances to Black music, the music doesn't lose its core quality and become 'universal'. To suggest so is remniscent of a dirty past where all Black achievement and contribution is whitewashed. A dirty past where all our inventions are downgraded. Where our civilizations are defamed and killed by white educational systems hellbent on holding Black communities hostage.

The Western World would like nothing more than for Blacks to forget their identities. Would like nothing more than for Blacks to dissassociate with other Blacks. To preach equality and be peaceful toward an oppressive regime. Look at the words of Sadistik and Oblivion.

Oblivion called me a '3rd generation lite-activist with a grip on 0 reality'. But how unrealistic am I speaking? And should I take it as an insult that he considers me an activist? I never claimed to be an activist. But if Oblivion feels there is a glimmer of activist in me, then that must mean I'm doing something right.

Sadistik seems to think what I speak of is a competition. "My people suffered more than Blacks." His people may have suffered. They may have been treated terribly. But I'm not an advocate for the Irish. Nor will I be sucked into a debate as to whom -- the Black or the 'non-elite white' -- was treated worse in history. We all know the answer to that.

That's what I mean. I hope I've explained myself.

You can argue that Rap is White music, seeing as if the Americans hadn't enslaved Black people, they would never have started using instruments as forms of prayer and communication which later evolved into hundreds of different types of music

You can argue that Rap is White music, seeing as if the Americans hadn't enslaved Black people, they would never have started using instruments as forms of prayer and communication which later evolved into hundreds of different types of music

I don't even know if the above deserves comment; but:

Once upon a time, long before white people existed, there were tribes of Black people who sang and danced and communicated. And strangely, the Black music of today hasn't changed so much; people just think it has because they know nothing of Black history. Nor do they care to know. Blacks are a cultured people.

And lets say rap was created out of the dust of slavery; how then could it be white music? Your logic baffles me.

well then i guess it depends on each individual's definition of rap....

i personally try not to label music by ethnicities, it's wtvr if others do, imo it kinda gives it a ethnic restriction vibe to it

I don't even know if the above deserves comment; but:

Once upon a time, long before white people existed, there were tribes of Black people who sang and danced and communicated. And strangely, the Black music of today hasn't changed so much; people just think it has because they know nothing of Black history. Nor do they care to know. Blacks are a cultured people.

And lets say rap was created out of the dust of slavery; how then could it be white music? Your logic baffles me. You're just showing your ignorance now.

And about the few paragraphs above, most of it was completely lies.

And to whoever said it being white music because of the slavery thing. It could then be argued that it is literally black music because they were slaves of black people before they were slaves of white people. Africans sold their own people to the white man. It's not like they just came over and took them over.

I love how Truth makes up stories about African history off the top of his head. He, in reality, doesn't know shit about African history. In all probability, he most likely can't even name where his ancestors came from. He'll prolly come in and just name some place off to prove me wrong, but I bet he couldn't prove it.

And about the Irish comment. No, you don't know which is true. Don't act like you do. You didn't even know the Irish were slaves until I first got into it with you on this subject.

Not to mention I'm also Native, not no 1/8ths shit either.

My point was not that my people have suffered worse than black people. That's your ignorance breaking out again. My point was simply this. My people have suffered too. And I don't fucking cry about it every chance I get. I realize that it didn't happen to me, it happened to my ancestors. And anything I may suffer today is in no way shape or form comparable to the injustices done to my ancestors.

So once again. Quit your bitching. It's been what? One or two hundred years? Shut the fuck up already.

I hate that shit, if Bon Jovi died, we'd never hear the end of it.

^^That made no sense. Plenty of rock stars have died. But rock fans are more loyal than rap fans. So they don't tend to say they liked somebody if they didn't.

Before anyone gets all pissy, let me explain. Rap is what's "in" right now. So most of it's listeners are just listening because it's the "cool thing to do". If you look around DR, you'll see plenty of these people.

Whereas rock music isn't that popular right now, yet it's fans stick strong by it. It's like punk fans stick by punk, even though it's been dead since the 80's.

Thank you, Oblivion and Sadistik. I feel complimented by you both. You have both demonstrated that you were offended by my words. Nothing more. You responded with such emotion. Such vigour. Such life.

America and the United Kingdom are two places dowsed with the stench of racism. They stink of oppression. Two places of one culture built atop two pillars: greed and imperialism. Two places of one culture with two twin principles: capitalism and democracy. Democracies which thrive off keeping the poor poor. Capitalism which thrive off cemeting into Black people a legacy of underachievment.

Thank you, Sadistik for pointing out that some Black people have gone astray. Start believing that whites are their friends because whites have money and now they have a little too. Those Blacks act like whites; but more often than not, they die poor like Blacks. They get rich because white people are simply using them, but they don't see it.

And if they're lucky enough to see it in their lifetimes, they stand atop cars and scream for their brothers to help (Jackson). They put down their guitar and overdose (Hendrix). Some Blacks sacrifice it all for a vagina of a different color (Bryant). Some Blacks sing music for money at the expense of the younger generations of their people (Jackson and an endless list). But they aren't the full story are they?

The more important Blacks are those who realised that the glimmer of diamonds and the weighlessness of cash money are mere follies. With the diamond comes death in the Mother Land. With the money comes famine and tribal bloodshed. The more important Blacks are those who realise that our inefficiency is the only thing which holds white society afloat. And there will be a day when we're not inefficient. This is not a dream it's a reality.

The more important Blacks don't live in agreeance with white society. That's impossible. Morality disallows such behavior.

Convincing a white person that white people dont understand racism is impossible.

Convincing a white person that they will never grasp the essence of rap music, or jazz, or the blues, or dancehall is impossible.

Convincing a white person that you can 'act Black' and that isn't a bad thing is impossible.

If you feel its necessary to hate me for what I believe than so be it. You hated my ancestors because they weren't on your side of the fence. And nothing has changed.

I do not care to convince white people of anything. I have no allegiance to them, nor are they my kinfolk. I'm not trying to convert white people. I'm not seeking equality with white people. I don't want integration. I'm not trying to assimilate into a white belief system. I don't care about white money. Or white neighborhoods. Or white religion.

And in time I've learned not to care about what white people think of me. I feel liberated. To know I wake up everyday and make decisions unguided by white philosophy or white society.

I am Black. My thoughts are Black. My ancestors are Black. My future will be Black. And I hold on to everything Black.

White does not fit into my equation, like Black does not fit into a white person's equation.

So now you're entitled to call me whatever name you will. Maybe you think 'racist' fits the bill. If you think I'm racist then you would undoubtedly prove you have no grasp of the term. But if you truly think I'm ignorant, or racist, or unintelligent, say what you will. I promise I will no longer respond to your comments. Because, like you, your comments are unimportant to me.


In some way I think you remind me of a guy from germany who had a big love for the white people and was speaking about his one and only race, that no other race was allowed to compare with.

wake up maan, you talk like the blacks are another creature than whites . . . the only defreinds are the colour your ignorant scum.

It dont surprice me, if your religion is "brothers from heaven and sisters from earth"

The slaveowner's heart wasn't moved by our slave spiritual. And rightly so. That was not the slave spiritual's purpose. And today, no matter how much some may want rap to be universal, it cannot be. As Blacks we have no choice but to sing in english. Our tribal tongues are gone. So because we speak in english, other english speaking peoples are destined to see the art form and try it. Some come to appreciate the music. Some love it. But none truly understand the essence of Black music. Because they can't. They shouldn't.

Rap is 'the byproduct of a Black struggle'. If you're white, you can't feel it. When the feeling behind something isn't universal, the thing itself cannot be universal.

And That, Ladies And Gentlemen Is Where He Gets His Name From.

Africans sold their own people to the white man. It's not like they just came over and took them over.

So once again. Quit your bitching. It's been what? One or two hundred years? Shut the fuck up already.

What A Fucking Stupid Comment. Of Course SOME Africans Sold Themselves Out, But To Say That No White Man Came And TOOK Anyone From Africa Is Unexplainably Ignorant And You Deserve To Be Pissed Down Your Throat For That Remark. And Just Cause You're Not "Crying" Even Though It's Been 300 Some Odd Years Since Slavery Doesn't Mean Shit. Sure, Bitching Is One Thing, But It's Also Another When Our People (And By Our I Mean ALL Of Us Including Your People) Are Still Reaping The Bullshit, Hate, And Torment To This Day From Shit That Happened So Long Ago...So I Can Honestly Sit Here And Say I Have Absolutely No Problem With Voicing My Opinion On It...Our People Were Enslaved, Torn From Their Families, Beat, Killed, Raped, Murdered, Shit Still Ain't Right, Racisim To This Day Is Still VERY Alive, And You Get Mad Cause Someone Wants To Bring Up A Point Or Discuss It? Fuck Outta Here...

Bon Jovi Died!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?? !?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!

AVE----> here we go, come out with your anger, show your feelings.

Name one Ave, that's all I got to say.

It wasn't like it was with my people. Sure, maybe some did get forced onto the boat. But it's better than having your land you've been on for centuries taken over and all your people, family, friends, even children murdered in cold blood. Get completely forgotton about, and the only stories told in schools of your people was as savages.

Sadistyk, did you just say Blackistan? Lmao.

A blackistani is an actual term in england for a really black paki.

Wow, i'm cool. :)

So that'd make you a crackastani then?

Lyrically, wuN is a wackistani

^^That Carlton sig is the sickest thing I've ever seen.

Africans sold their own people to the white man. It's not like they just came over and took them over.
Before you attempt to put the entire black race in there place, at least know what the fuck your talking about...
Less then 4 percent of the entire African slave population were prisoners of war.

There you go, less than 4 percent were POW's. That means 96% of slaves were sold by their own people. You just proved me right and called me an idiot, what a fucking moron.

And where exactly did you get these statistics anyway? I wanna see some facts up in this bitch.

And meanwhile, while 4 percent of of the slaves were being taken, all my people were being killed leaving only 4 percent of the entire population. Once again, I'm not bitching.

You guys keep coming in, trying to prove me wrong and only proving me right. The point of this was not that all black people were sold by their own people. Hell, that post wasn't even directed at any of the above argument. It was directed at dude who said rap was initially white because of the slave thing. The point was not that black people didn't suffer.

The point of this whole entire argument had nothing to do with Billabong, or any of the rest of you that replied. Keep your ass scratching noses out of my conversation. This was mine and Truths conversation about why he cries so much about shit that has nothing to do with him. No, what happened to your ancestors does not have anything to do with you. Mind your own, and you'll be happier, I promise. That's the whole point of this shit. Is that while both mine and Truths people suffered tradgedies, I don't cry about it like he does.

And if you're going to respond to anything I say, make sure you understand the point you fucking morons.

Oh, and my whole point was laid out plainly above, so make sure you read all of it. Because from this point on, I'm just going to quote pieces of the above posts to prove none of you people are even reading, you're just scanning and replying.

Billabong just proved that by his response above. Had nothing to do with my point. Didn't even have to do with the argument at hand. The part he quoted wasn't even in the argument. It was in a completely different conversation. Yet he responded to it like he would respond to it had it been brought up in this argument.

Does anyone else have anything to say that actually does have to do with this argument? Because it's obvious y'all are women and can't keep out of other people's business.

Even if you are black, this aint your business. I have not insulted the black race in any way. I was insulting Truth, and you people came in crying like it had the slightest bit to do with you.

It seem's that Truths point is exactly the same as every other racial seperatist group(BNP, KKK, National Front).
These group's ignore one of the biggest ideal's we follow...choice...
People like to have a choice over their partner's (Be it White or Black) a choice over their music(including whether they pick up the mic, or the guitar).
Human's like to share their technology...
Imagion it if you took rap away because it was only for black people...
Then White could have Electricity?
And gun's :/
The Arab's could have universities...

At the end of the day, human's are still the same species. and thet've mixed, and there's no real going back from it...

^^ Just my words

Keep your ass scratching noses out of my conversation. This was mine and Truths conversation

This Is MY Thread, Jackass.
If You Want A One On One Convo With Truth, PM Him.
Otherwise, Niggas Can Say What They Want, It's An Open Thread.

^^ okay cool boii

I'ma give you jokers more time to get what you have to say in. I'm used to cunts like y'all ramblings irrelevances. Get your issues down.

lmao @ all this.

Truth you live in the past and you should stick to the future. You can't blame a white guy in 2006 for being racist because 200 years ago white people made black people slaves and brought them to america. that was the past and times change. you got white people that go to africa right now and give money over there to help them so what 200 years ago people did has nothing to do with what people do now. everyone says white people are more racist, but that's really not true. black people are racist as much as white, it's just that it's not noticed by everyone else because there never was abig event like the slaves that occured so everyone else can know about and read it.

and =)) @ once upon a time when white people didn't exist black tribes played music. seriously man you just pointed out that everything you said above that made sense should now be looked upon as bullshit with that comment ...

LOL

Too bad i have gotten over Proof dying...not real news to me anymore

I'ma give you jokers more time to get what you have to say in. I'm used to cunts like y'all ramblings irrelevances. Get your issues down.

every single comeback you have used to come back at how much white people are rasict have been "slaves". you need to get your facts straight and find something else to use to hold againts a race. Your proving to everyone else how much of a racist dickhead you really are, and not somebody else.

A white guy says a word "nigger" and he's already being taken as racist guy, put on TV and broadcast aroudn the world, yet in the hood white people are called wiggers, crackers and etc and if one was to choose to walk thru or get lost he will end up being robbed or killed so whos more racist now.

^^true......

if u think about it, if us humans survive, we're bound to mix with people of other ethnicities so in the future, all humans are gon a mix of white, black, mexican, asian n wtvr that's out there... it's a shame i'll never see that

i always said there is only one thing in the world that could stop wars, racisam n etc againts humans (all kind) and that's if we were attacked by "aliens" and had to join forces to fight for our survive ... other then that there will be always people like the truth, who think like him and say shit like him. Race not mattering, there are idiots who are black, white, green, blue or whatever and as long as they are out there this world will always have wars, rasicam, violence , and etc...

We will never get along.....EVER

Let me get this straight. In your opinion: --

(1) Are black people in 2006 more racist than whites?

(2) Is there no longer a justification for calling whites racist?

(3) Are you saying that white racist beliefs died with the abolition of slavery?

(4) If you are saying that, how do you account for segregation and the civil rights movement in the 60s and 70s.

(5) Are Blacks meant to be poor because they're uneducated?

(6) Why do whites control the monetary flow into and out of Black countries?

(7) Why is it that Blacks only form approximately 12% of America's population, but more of them are in prison than whites? Are Blacks criminal or are America's laws the culprit?

(8) Why are there places called "Projects"?

(9) Why do many Blacks live in those places?

(10) Why can't Blacks be acknowledged for our own music and art forms, inventions and the like?

(11) Why do some of you believe that a white man invented electricity? Did whites really invent the telephone and gravity?

(12) And where did some of you get the idea that arabs were the first people to have Universities?

(13) Do you still think Egyptians were white?

(14) Why don't whites teach Black history?

(15) Are all Black young people gangstaz and hoods?

(16) What's the most prominant trait of Black people?

(17) Why are white people scared of groups of Black people?

(18) Why do you consider every progressive Black leader a racist?

(19) Why did it take so long for Sidney Poitier to win an Oscar?

And finally:

(20) Why do white people feel the need to re-define racism?

And yes, that was 20 questions. Its more than likely that none of you will answer the above questions. All y'all have been concerned with is calling me names. How I describe the lot of you: All disrespect. No substance.

^^ WHO gives a fuck...man fuck you americans...

why why why why

lmao .... cry a river will you

Who cares about New York Ave's thread?

As I suspected: everybody too pussy to answer the questions.

And p.s. I'M NOT AN AMERICAN!

i will answer them when i have time ... i was going to today, but i didn't have time but you will get an answer and

P.S. i am not an american either

(1) Are black people in 2006 more racist than whites? i honestly dont know...

(2) Is there no longer a justification for calling whites racist? any one of any ethnicity can be called a racist

(3) Are you saying that white racist beliefs died with the abolition of slavery?no

(4) If you are saying that, how do you account for segregation and the civil rights movement in the 60s and 70s.

(5) Are Blacks meant to be poor because they're uneducated? um hell no who said that

(6) Why do whites control the monetary flow into and out of Black countries? i dont know

(7) Why is it that Blacks only form approximately 12% of America's population, but more of them are in prison than whites? Are Blacks criminal or are America's laws the culprit? why are you making this a black and white thing, i remember readin that the number of black and mexican people in jail are about the same...

(8) Why are there places called "Projects"?.... i dont know, government reasons?

(9) Why do many Blacks live in those places? cos the government refuses to help em

(10) Why can't Blacks be acknowledged for our own music and art forms, inventions and the like? i think black people are acknowledged for it...

(11) Why do some of you believe that a white man invented electricity? Did whites really invent the telephone and gravity? how the fuck do you invent gravity/electricity? textbook said bell invented the phone, but ionon the text is white-washed

(12) And where did some of you get the idea that arabs were the first people to have Universities? i never had that idea occur to me

(13) Do you still think Egyptians were white?i never thought they were white

(14) Why don't whites teach Black history? who's whites? once again you're making this a white n black thing....ok it's school districts controlled by the government

(15) Are all Black young people gangstaz and hoods?no

(16) What's the most prominant trait of Black people? wouldnt that count as stereotypes

(17) Why are white people scared of groups of Black people? i don't know i've never heard of this

(18) Why do you consider every progressive Black leader a racist? WHY THE FUCK ARE U JUST ASSUMING

(19) Why did it take so long for Sidney Poitier to win an Oscar?bc the academy is fucked up

And finally:

(20) Why do white people feel the need to re-define racism? i never heard of anyone say anyhting about redefining racism...

ok.... i answered, sorry if answers seem stupid, maybe im just not aware or just no substance??

but it seems like you're kind of asking this to a white person (im not white or black) and you're kind of just assuming the person being asked thinks in stereoptypes...

(1) Are black people in 2006 more racist than whites?
I'm going to assume you're talking about America, because racism isn't a problem everywhere like some of you believe. So in my honest opinion, yes they are. Not all black people, it's mainly just the youth nowadays. The more elder grown adults arn't so much so. Like I've never been jumped, or had any racial slur thrown at me by an older black man.

(2) Is there no longer a justification for calling whites racist?
Yes, there is no longer a justification for it. Yes, some whites are racist, but so is some of every race on Earth. To say all whites are racist would be stupid. Yet you say it on many occasions.

(3) Are you saying that white racist beliefs died with the abolition of slavery?
No, I never even tried to say that or even so much as hinted at it.

(4) If you are saying that, how do you account for segregation and the civil rights movement in the 60s and 70s.
N/A...

(5) Are Blacks meant to be poor because they're uneducated?
Black people arn't uneducated. Some are, and the majority used to be, but not anymore.

(6) Why do whites control the monetary flow into and out of Black countries?
Didn't know they did, and prolly because the main trades come from white countries or countries ran by white people.

(7) Why is it that Blacks only form approximately 12% of America's population, but more of them are in prison than whites? Are Blacks criminal or are America's laws the culprit?
That depends on where you go. There are alot of jails with more whites than blacks. And American laws could be the culprit. Or it could be the expectations America has for our black youth. Not just white people, but black people too. America has the expectations for the black youth to be criminals and all around bad people. It's proven that if you are expected to be something by society, you'll usually end up being it.

(8) Why are there places called "Projects"?
For poor people, that's a stupid question.

(9) Why do many Blacks live in those places?
For many different reasons. Some were put there by society. Some where put their on their own accord. You can usually tell the difference though. The people put their by society are the hard workers. The ones who stop at nothing to raise their families out of poverty. Then there's the ones that are, and you might get offended by this, like you. The one's that cry and bitch and moan about how unfair blacks have had it and expect everything handed to them on a silver platter because of shit that happened before they were even alive. People like this are stupid, and should realize that nobody is going to help them. Nobody helps anybody in this country. And no amount of their bitching will get somebody to give them a free ride.

(10) Why can't Blacks be acknowledged for our own music and art forms, inventions and the like?
They are... You're just wrong on rap. It's taught in schools that a black man invented the street light, and that a black man invented peanut butter, and everything else. It's taught in music schools that black people invented Rock music. You just don't see this because you're close minded and ignore everything that doesn't suit your opinion.

(11) Why do some of you believe that a white man invented electricity? Did whites really invent the telephone and gravity?
Did you seriously just ask if a white man invented gravity? And a white man did invent the telephone and electricity. Sure, there might have been black people that helped along the way. But the person to patent it, was a white person. Therefore, legally, the person to invent it was a white person.

(12) And where did some of you get the idea that arabs were the first people to have Universities?
*shrug*

(13) Do you still think Egyptians were white?
Egyptians are pale skinned, but not white. Just like an Italian is pale skinned, but not white.

(14) Why don't whites teach Black history?
I was taught black history by a white woman and a black woman. Both versions were primarily the same. But if you want to know why the majority of black history teachers are black, the answer is simple. Who better to teach something than somebody who has experienced it first hand. Not just somebody who has read about it and decided they knew about it because of stuff they read in a book. Which is something you need to learn Eugene. Books lie just as much as the TV does. And the internet lies more than all of them. They all have the same freedom of speech and press, and therefore can say anything they want.

(15) Are all Black young people gangstaz and hoods?
You're black, and you're not a gangsta. So obviously the answer would be no.

(16) What's the most prominant trait of Black people?
The wide nose. Nah, I'm just playing. I didn't really know any certain race had "traits". From what I've seen growing up around people of many different races, there is no traits of a race. For instance the lazy Mexican thing. Yeah, some Mexicans are lazy. But some of the hardest working people I know are Mexican.

(17) Why are white people scared of groups of Black people?
Some, yes. Which goes back to question one, where a good bit of todays black youth are racist. I myself have been jumped, twice for being pale skinned. I'm not even fully white, but that just proves my point even more. The reasoning was stated quite clear by the guy who seemed to be the leader of the group. He clearly said "We're racist."

(18) Why do you consider every progressive Black leader a racist?
I've never heard ANYONE say this, literally. Hell, I'm not even sure where you got this. The utter stupidity of this statement amazes me. Sure, people like Malcom X were racist. But King, Parks, and many other black leaders were not.

(19) Why did it take so long for Sidney Poitier to win an Oscar?
Because originally America was more racist than it is today. That Oscar should not have been something to bitch about. It should have brought on a realization that things were getting better. And to many it did. But you're ignorant, like I said.

(20) Why do white people feel the need to re-define racism?
I dunno, why do black people feel the need to?

Oh, and about the "I doubt anybody will reply to this." I don't blame you there, this site is full of lazy people. To answer all 20 of your questions it took me roughly 5 minutes not including all the bolding and shit.

I couldn't care less about the argument, but this question is just retarded:

(11) Why do some of you believe that a white man invented electricity? Did whites really invent the telephone and gravity?

If anyone believes that a person 'invented' gravity and electricity then they need to be repeatedly slapped. Discovered and harnessed are more appropriate terms for the actions of humans concerning natural forces, as they are natural forces and were never invented.

I couldn't care less about the argument, but this question is just retarded:

(11) Why do some of you believe that a white man invented electricity? Did whites really invent the telephone and gravity?

If anyone believes that a person 'invented' gravity and electricity then they need to be repeatedly slapped. Discovered and harnessed are more appropriate terms for the actions of humans concerning natural forces, as they are natural forces and were never invented.
I agree

I couldn't care less about the argument, but this question is just retarded:

(11) Why do some of you believe that a white man invented electricity? Did whites really invent the telephone and gravity?

If anyone believes that a person 'invented' gravity and electricity then they need to be repeatedly slapped. Discovered and harnessed are more appropriate terms for the actions of humans concerning natural forces, as they are natural forces and were never invented.


Dont you think the question was ironic you dumb fuck ? Read the hole thread before you come with embarrassing reply's. . . damn children these days

Surely the point he was implying was that black people actually 'invented' gravity, electricity and the telephone. Yet it has always been taught that it was white people who 'invented' these things.

His terminology was incorrect, not an attempt at irony. And when did you get the indication that i hadn't read the whole thread? Just because i said i couldn't give a shit about the argument?

To be honest im actually surprised you're on Truth's side seeing as you usually are a racist fuck. Meh, still not bothered.

(1) Are black people in 2006 more racist than whites?
No, I think there are individuals that are black that are racist, and inviduals who are white that are racist....I've seen alot of both, but wouldn't put any group above the other...
(2) Is there no longer a justification for calling whites racist?
Individuals can be racist however, an entire race cannot...I'm white without being racist..
(3) Are you saying that white racist beliefs died with the abolition of slavery?
There isn't a universal white belief...90% of white people were dirt poor during the slavery period, and gained nothing from it...
(4) If you are saying that, how do you account for segregation and the civil rights movement in the 60s and 70s.
The civil rights movement was a reaction to the views held by the media....There were white people involved in the civil rights movement
(5) Are Blacks meant to be poor because they're uneducated?
Sean Combs....Jay Z....? They poor?
(6) Why do whites control the monetary flow into and out of Black countries?
The richest people in the world are white, or chinese....I personally have no control of the monetary flow into and out of African countries...
(7) Why is it that Blacks only form approximately 12% of America's population, but more of them are in prison than whites? Are Blacks criminal or are America's laws the culprit?
Blacks(and Latin American's) are more likely to come from marginalised parts of society(poor and uneducated) and likely to be drawn into crime...I can relate this to the U.K too, and maybe there is slight institutionalised racism, therefore we need to raise awareness and get people out of bad conditions...
(8) Why are there places called "Projects"?
N/A, not from America
(9) Why do many Blacks live in those places?
N/A, not from America
(10) Why can't Blacks be acknowledged for our own music and art forms, inventions and the like?
No one said that Blacks(James Brown ect) can't be acknowledged for the creation of Hip Hop, however, Hip Hop has diversified to include all races/genders, and that should be accepted...If a race makes a technology, it shouldn't be soley for their use...
(11) Why do some of you believe that a white man invented electricity? Did whites really invent the telephone and gravity?
Bell invented the Telephone...He was white...
(12) And where did some of you get the idea that arabs were the first people to have Universities?
That would be me....And I read it in history book...Might not be 100% true, but the oldest uni in the world is in an Arab country...Ask .Wun...
(13) Do you still think Egyptians were white?
I don't think white and black are of much use of classifying people in modern times, since the human race is 20,000 years old, and with the current diversity, people are gonna have mixes of ethnicities...even if they dont know it...
(14) Why don't whites teach Black history?
Some do?
(15) Are all Black young people gangstaz and hoods?
Nope...
(16) What's the most prominant trait of Black people?
Don't think there is one...
(17) Why are white people scared of groups of Black people?
Due to being socialised different...you ask people from the U.K....If ya see a group of chav's, your going be ready for some sort of trouble even if none happens... Personally I'm paranoid, so am ready for trouble with any sort of group...
(18) Why do you consider every progressive Black leader a racist?
There were member's of the Panther's who helped poor communities, whihc included white people, so no...However some are..
(19) Why did it take so long for Sidney Poitier to win an Oscar?
No idea...
And finally:

(20) Why do white people feel the need to re-define racism?
Because Racism changes constantly....

Oh, and about the "I doubt anybody will reply to this." I don't blame you there, this site is full of lazy people. To answer all 20 of your questions it took me roughly 5 minutes not including all the bolding and shit.
Yup took me that sort of time...

Surely the point he was implying was that black people actually 'invented' gravity, electricity and the telephone. Yet it has always been taught that it was white people who 'invented' these things.

His terminology was incorrect, not an attempt at irony. And when did you get the indication that i hadn't read the whole thread? Just because i said i couldn't give a shit about the argument?

To be honest im actually surprised you're on Truth's side seeing as you usually are a racist fuck. Meh, still not bothered.

How would he know who invented the gravity ? And we know who invented the telephone. He is just asking.

And little man, do you know me, since you are allowed to come with such blame ? cous I don't know you actually, so don't call me racist when you are the KKK leader. oops Im blaming you now.

How would he know who invented the gravity ? And we know who invented the telephone. He is just asking.

And little man, do you know me, since you are allowed to come with such blame ? cous I don't know you actually, so don't call me racist when you are the KKK leader. oops Im blaming you now.

Although that was fairly immature, i'll respond anyway.

I called you racist because i remember your comments when the whole 'cartoon of muhammed' debate was happening on here. If you're not racist, fair enough.

Truth wasn't asking who 'invented' gravity, he's a smart man who knows the common answers just had incorrect terminology. What he is questioning is the belief that white people discovered gravity & electricity, and invented the telephone. He clearly implies in the question that he doesn't agree with these beliefs.

My problem was his use of the word 'invented', as i stated before no person invented gravity or electricity, they are natural forces, i.e products of nature. What he should have said was discovered and/or harnessed.

heard a lot bout proof but never really knew him.
anyway sux that journalists who are supossed to be objective write that kinda shit.
dumass question: is there any site where i can read bout proof and what really happened couz this site of the ocean is kinda non-informed bout whole rap scene:s
sorry...

There you go, less than 4 percent were POW's. That means 96% of slaves were sold by their own people. You just proved me right and called me an idiot, what a fucking moron.
LMAO! You contradicted yourself greatly.
If you can't even interpret what I said, then go on to call me a moron... Who's the moron here wiggerman?
Get your facts straight, sport. White people didn't just go into a country, and talk the leader into giving away his own people. The ones that were sold by fellow black people, were Prisoners of war.
You understand now? It's very simple. Read a history book genius.

In which book did you read that only 4% of slaves were sold by black tribes? Not disputing the fact, just curious as i had read otherwise (historians pretty much always disagree).

"1.yet in the hood white people are called wiggers,
2. crackers and etc
3. and if one was to choose to walk thru or get lost he will end up being robbed or killed so whos more racist now."
1. Wiggers are called wiggers, not white people in general. You can easily prevent that by stopping your posing.
2. Cracker is much less offensive then nigger is. Nigger has alot of background to it, cracker does not.
Besides that, racial slurs between whites and blacks is widely refered to as a double standard. In my opinion, that isn't true.
White people call blacks niggers all the time. (from the safety of there computer, freinds, and ect.) And when we say something about it, they'll say something along the lines of
"Well black people can call us crackers, why can't we call them niggers? It's a fucking double standard! Robble Robble, whatever."
Black people call whites crackers almost never these days, Realize that.
3. Alot of you are gonna be offended by this, so if your easily offended, skip this bit. People in poverty (black, white, whatever) need money to survive. Whites are robbed because there easy targets. There's almost no chance of retaliation.
Lets say that you had to come up with rent money fast, you spent your entire paycheck on food, and you'll get kicked out if you don't.
Who are you gonna rob, the big strong black huster, or the white people that fear you.
It has nothing to do with racisim.
"So in my honest opinion, yes they are. Not all black people, it's mainly just the youth nowadays. The more elder grown adults arn't so much so. Like I've never been jumped, or had any racial slur thrown at me by an older black man."

LMAO!
Old black men are the most racist people you'll ever meet. I don't know how you decided on that post above.

1. For many different reasons. Some were put there by society. Some where put their on their own accord.
2. The people put their by society are the hard workers. The ones who stop at nothing to raise their families out of poverty. Then there's the ones that are, and you might get offended by this, like you. The one's that cry and bitch and moan about how unfair blacks have had it and expect everything handed to them on a silver platter because of shit that happened before they were even alive.
3. People like this are stupid, and should realize that nobody is going to help them. Nobody helps anybody in this country. And no amount of their bitching will get somebody to give them a free ride.
1. Noone was put there by society, or by there own accord. They were born in the ghetto, and that's it.
How the hell you can decide "society" put them in the ghetto is beyond me, and saying they were put there on there own accord is just insane.
You don't see Rich kids moving to Harlem because there lazy.
2. Think outside of your 'take everything for granted' 'parents buy you whatever you want'state of mind for a second.
Growing up with a crack addict mother that dosen't feed you, and a father thats in jail gives you plenty of rights to inform everyone of what's going on in the ghetto.
And by the way, the ones that complain are the ones that work endlessly to get out of the ghetto.
The ones that don't are the ones that smoke crack to get rid of there problems.
3. More arrogance from the rich kid. The person you speak of dosen't exist. Noone sits in there house with no job and 3 kids. Just talking about how unfair it is in the ghetto. Where did you get this ridiculous idea?
My idea, is that you take everything you have for granted, and can't interpret the idea of struggling in a poverish life. That's ok, just stop talking like you do. You clearly don't.
There not complaining for free rides, there complaining to educate the public.

"I myself have been jumped, twice for being pale skinned. I'm not even fully white, but that just proves my point even more. The reasoning was stated quite clear by the guy who seemed to be the leader of the group. He clearly said "We're racist.
They jumped you for trying to be hood. I know this because i've done it myself as an adolecent.
They aren't jumping you for being white, but for acting black.

In which book did you read that only 4% of slaves were sold by black tribes? Not disputing the fact, just curious as i had read otherwise (historians pretty much always disagree).
Chronicles of Negro Protest: A Background Book for Young People, Documenting the History of Black Power, by Bradford, Comp. Chambers

It's indeed a disputed fact, but it's certainly not the majority as he puts it.

Yes, older black men can be the most racist, but in terms of quantity and not quality there are more racist black youth than racist black elderly.

And why are you responding to my post? I was not speaking to you, and have yet to EVER speak to you. So why do you think you have the right to talk to me? Go read my thread, you're one of the females I was talking about.

"[COLOR="SeaGreen"]"I myself have been jumped, twice for being pale skinned. I'm not even fully white, but that just proves my point even more. The reasoning was stated quite clear by the guy who seemed to be the leader of the group. He clearly said "We're racist.
They jumped you for trying to be hood. I know this because i've done it myself as an adolecent.
They aren't jumping you for being white, but for acting black.

You're obviously an immature, ignorant, moronic, needs to be shot in the back of his head with a very large calliber, piece of shit. I HAVE NEVER and WILL NEVER try to be hood, gangsta, ghetto, or anything else having to do with being poor you fuck. I struggled my whole life to pull myself and my family out of the projects. And now that I have and I'm not looking back, I have pieces of shit like yourself telling me I'm trying to be hood. Fuck you, go die. Better yet, go drink draino so your family can watch as your stomach implodes.

I hate pieces of shit like him. I have never talked in slang on this site. I've never said I was black, used the term "nigga" or talk about how "gangsta" I am. I don't even battle. I did at first, until I discovered Drop Rhymes, which is originally what I wanted to do. All I have done from day one on this site is be myself. What are you faggots thinking? That because I'm on a rap site I'm trying to be hood? I write because it's what I love to do and have loved to do since I was young. I rap because I love the music, and it's what I grew up on.

I honestly hope the draft comes back, so pussy fucks like him can be forced to die.

Oh, and by the way. You're wrong to top it off. Those fucks jumped me because I was white. They jumped me in my own neighborhood. They didn't even live in my neighborhood, they lived in the next city over where there are no hoods. Just a bunch of suburban black kids thinking that because they're visiting real life for a moment they have to fall into societies expectations. Their fathers, as well as yours, would be ashamed.

You know what I just realized? This fool is named after a middle class white clothing line. And I'm the one trying to be something I'm not.

Smh... Your father should have swallowed you.

Oh, and the first time I got jumped, it was by Mexicans. Which is why I didn't bother to mention that one.

Don't bother responding. You've been ignored so I can no longer see your posts. It's the mature way of doing things rather than act like the rest of these children and beef on an internet site. I have no reason to read your posts because I already had to drop too many IQ points to read your first post. Now that you're bound to start crying, it's only going to get worse. People like you need to be lynched.

Although that was fairly immature, i'll respond anyway.

I called you racist because i remember your comments when the whole 'cartoon of muhammed' debate was happening on here. If you're not racist, fair enough.

Truth wasn't asking who 'invented' gravity, he's a smart man who knows the common answers just had incorrect terminology. What he is questioning is the belief that white people discovered gravity & electricity, and invented the telephone. He clearly implies in the question that he doesn't agree with these beliefs.

My problem was his use of the word 'invented', as i stated before no person invented gravity or electricity, they are natural forces, i.e products of nature. What he should have said was discovered and/or harnessed.

Do you really think he is so stupid, that he don't know you can't invent the gravity ? cous I don't think so . . . he was just joking sadistyk.

^^ Isn't really danish

^^ huh ?

Racism Is Not Alive!!!

People Are Just Hating People Because They Want To...and They Truely Do Not Know Why!!!

^ that could be true

1. Yes, older black men can be the most racist, but in terms of quantity and not quality there are more racist black youth than racist black elderly.
2. And why are you responding to my post? I was not speaking to you, and have yet to EVER speak to you. So why do you think you have the right to talk to me? Go read my thread, you're one of the females I was talking about.
1. Once again, no. Almost every single old black man I know hates white people.
Adolecents rarely do.
2. L M F A O !
Look back a few posts, you retardedly misinterpruted what I said about African POW's.
So yes, you were talking to me...
BTW, im really laughing at "So why do you think you have the right to talk to me?"
You make 7 posts a day.
How about going outside and seeing the sun, sport.

1. You're obviously an immature, ignorant, moronic, needs to be shot in the back of his head with a very large calliber, piece of shit. I HAVE NEVER and WILL NEVER try to be hood, gangsta, ghetto, or anything else having to do with being poor you fuck. I struggled my whole life to pull myself and my family out of the projects. And now that I have and I'm not looking back, I have pieces of shit like yourself telling me I'm trying to be hood. Fuck you, go die. Better yet, go drink draino so your family can watch as your stomach implodes.I hate pieces of shit like him. I have never talked in slang on this site. I've never said I was black, used the term "nigga" or talk about how "gangsta" I am. I don't even battle. I did at first, until I discovered Drop Rhymes, which is originally what I wanted to do. All I have done from day one on this site is be myself. What are you faggots thinking? That because I'm on a rap site I'm trying to be hood? I write because it's what I love to do and have loved to do since I was young. I rap because I love the music, and it's what I grew up on.

LMAO! You say you don't act hood, but then you say your from the hood?
LOL!
I don't know how old you are, if you supposedly moved out of the hood with hard work and such, you must be in your late 20's-30's.
So let me ask you, whats a 30 something year old doing making 7 posts a day on a internet forum? You should have other things to do at that age...

And yes, my nickname - Billabong, has alot of background to it. The clothing brand has nothing to do with the name.

^Yea that is true about old black people, my grandaddy is the most racist man in history, he thinks all whites are evil. But he was a sharecropper when he was little so he has a good reason to believe so.

I never said I was from the hood, I said I grew up in the projects. There is a big difference, whether you're smart enough to see it or not. The projects are Section 8 low income government housing. A "hood" is urban slang for a ghetto area. God, you're extremely stupid. No, I am not proud of the fact that I grew up in the projects. I don't run around this site saying it everytime I get the chance like some people. I hate being from the projects, it's degrading. Everybody still there should be embarassed.

And I'm 21... Had a job from the time I was 15. Had odd jobs before then. As I said, I worked my entire life to pull myself and my family out.

So, if you're going to try to speak on somebody, know who the fuck you're talking about. Don't just assume that because I'm white I'm a wigger. Not to mention that by calling me a wigger, you are degrading your own people. By calling me a wigger you are essentially calling me a "white nigger" in turn using a derogatory phrase against your own people. And saying that because they are black they have to be rappers just to be anything at all while saying that because I'm white(mixed but he wouldn't know that cause he's an idiot) I have to be able to afford college and go to Harvard or whatever else he expects out of white people.

Hate to tell you kiddie, but I had to file for a student grant to go to college and pay for the rest of it myself.

Oh, and by the way. You're only proving my point. If you were smart, you'd see I'm only speaking on old black men from experience, just as you are. Every older black man I've met, and I've known more old black men than I've met old white men, liked me and accepted me. Meanwhile black youth, such as yourself, assume I'm trying to be something I'm not and degrade me because of your own insecurities.. Not all black youth, just the ones like yourself who are too ignorant to get to know me.

So once again. Fuck you, you racist piece of shit, go die. I'd help you out, but you're prolly not even on my side of the country. So you're own your own finding a way to end your meaningless existence.

"1. I never said I was from the hood, I said I grew up in the projects. There is a big difference, whether you're smart enough to see it or not. The projects are Section 8 low income government housing. A "hood" is urban slang for a ghetto area. God, you're extremely stupid. No, I am not proud of the fact that I grew up in the projects. I don't run around this site saying it everytime I get the chance like some people. I hate being from the projects, it's degrading. Everybody still there should be embarassed.

2. And I'm 21... Had a job from the time I was 15. Had odd jobs before then. As I said, I worked my entire life to pull myself and my family out.

3. And saying that because they are black they have to be rappers just to be anything at all while saying that because I'm white(mixed but he wouldn't know that cause he's an idiot) I have to be able to afford college and go to Harvard or whatever else he expects out of white people.

4. Hate to tell you kiddie, but I had to file for a student grant to go to college and pay for the rest of it myself."

1. If the housing project you grew up in wasn't in the ghetto... What exactly are you getting at?
Moving out of the ghetto is one thing.
Making a few dollars to buy a new apartment is completely different.
I've never seen a housing project that's not in a hood btw... but I beleive you.
2. See above.
3. That was pointless, noone said black people have to be rappers, or white people have to go to harvard...
Im in NYU, with a Medical major, and im black.
4. And what exactly is your point? I wasn't doubting that there are braindead white people, theres lots and I know that.
Im in NYU on 4 scholarships that I earned in my last 3 years of High School. I have white freinds that toke up all day, every day. That dropped out in the 10th grade.
I don't know if im misunderstanding your point or not...

So then why the fuck are you getting on my case? I don't try to act ghetto. I don't speak in ghetto terminology. I don't run around saying I "pop cats" or "gangbang".

You're just not going to understand man. You couldn't possibly understand. I've spent a lifetime battling against people like you. Both white and black. For somebody like me, who al they have is theirself and make no attempt to be anything else, the shit gets to me when somebody tries to tell me who I am and how I've lived.

By the way, I don't have an apartment. If you must know, Im going to school for criminal justice, then going for a 6 year military stint, and then becoming a cop. After that I'll work my way up to SWAT, and be happy.

And I'm not white, well not fully. I'm 3/4 Irish, 1/4 Native American.

1. Oh, and by the way. You're only proving my point. If you were smart, you'd see I'm only speaking on old black men from experience, just as you are. Every older black man I've met, and I've known more old black men than I've met old white men, liked me and accepted me. Meanwhile black youth, such as yourself, assume I'm trying to be something I'm not and degrade me because of your own insecurities.. Not all black youth, just the ones like yourself who are too ignorant to get to know me.

2. So once again. Fuck you, you racist piece of shit,
3. go die. I'd help you out, but you're prolly not even on my side of the country.
1. Wow, your getting really emotional...
You need to go see some sun, im serious.
2. You need to learn to analyze what you read. I've said in just about every post that I hate wiggers, not white people. I love white people. I hate wiggers, and all posers. I hope we're clear...
3.LMAO, you just suggested you'd kill me. I seriously doubt you can get your ass off your computer chair to do such a task...

Not in a computer chair, sitting on my couch.

I work between 8 and 12 hours a day, so I couldn't sit on my ass all day if I wanted to. Today is my day off, my only day off. And I already have enough hours in this last week to cover my entire pay period. If you look at the time between certain posts, you'll see what I mean.

And I wouldn't be home right now, but I crashed my car. So I have to wait till taxes come in to get a new one.

And you're damn right Im getting emotional. I normally ignore this shit because it's the net, but it's beginning to get to me.

Not in a computer chair, sitting on my couch.

I work between 8 and 12 hours a day, so I couldn't sit on my ass all day if I wanted to. Today is my day off, my only day off. And I already have enough hours in this last week to cover my entire pay period. If you look at the time between certain posts, you'll see what I mean.

And I wouldn't be home right now, but I crashed my car. So I have to wait till taxes come in to get a new one.
Alright man, fair enough.
Your clearly not a poser, and I appoligize for claiming you as such.
Sounds like you have a bright future to...

Thank you...

And I apologize for saying I'd kill you. And whatever else I said in this. I did the same and assumed you were something you weren't.

Nice job on NYU by the way. I won't get in nowhere near as prominent as a school as that, but I hope to get in a university during my military stint and further my education. Not really for any reason, but it'd be nice to always have an extra degree in case being a cop doesn't work out.

Saw you said a medical major. You going for the full doctorate or...?