Well basically just wanted to see what people think of him being made manager.


My opinion is that the guy is a twat who smiles like a gimp no matter what the result. He's done fuck all with boro, except for the uefa cup this season and a manager shouldn't be selected because of recent results, but the results he's had over his career. Mcclaren hasn't achieved anything despite the shitload of money that has been ploughed into boro, which shows his selections and basic management skills are gash.

I can't understand why people are citing the fact that he's been a coach for England as one of his plus points.....England have underperformed consistently at the big tournaments when he's been a coach. Granted its not been directly his fault (as it was the bastard swede's lack of managerial talent) but having experience in coaching a team full of stars that achieves fuck all shouldn't count for much.

You can basically see that i'm dissapointed in the FA for appointing him.....he could turn out to be a great manager for England but considering who we could have had, Mcclaren is a wank result. Still, glad it wasn't Big Sam that was picked.

Hmmm, managed to spell his name wrong a few times in that post.

Ah well, to brighten the mood, here's another classic fuck up from the bbc online commentary for the city vs arsenal game.

66:27
Shot by Aleksander Hleb (Arsenal) drilled left-footed from left channel (20 yards), save (tipped over) by Jens Lehmann (Arsenal).

I think Sam was probably the best choice, with the England job you gotta have balls and you have to do it your way, that is the main problem with Sven, he is scared of the papers and the big players. There is no management involved for the main part, its all about keeping the papers happy, the players know how to play, they're some of the best in the world it is mainly about the media and keeping them off the players back and then picking a squad which isn't overly hard. After that ok some tactics will be needed for a game but that takes what reading a report from a scout about the opponents and then teaching the players it which will take 5 mins and letting the coaches get them practising.

Sam is a strong character and i don't think the papers would phase him i think he would just get on with it and get things done how he wants, if that means leaving out a big player for the sake of the team and the formation then i think he would do, however Sven would never leave out a big name ever, Mclaren will be the same for me. Pierce in a few years will be a great England manager, but he doesn't have the experience yet, and City are on such an awful run atm they're not gonna give it to him anyway.

I personally don't think stuart pearce should have been mentioned at all, he only started managing last year for fucks sake, it would be stupid. Plus big sam wouldn't have been the best choice either, he's just not good enough tactically.

I think Sam was probably the best choice, with the England job you gotta have balls and you have to do it your way, that is the main problem with Sven, he is scared of the papers and the big players. There is no management involved for the main part, its all about keeping the papers happy, the players know how to play, they're some of the best in the world it is mainly about the media and keeping them off the players back and then picking a squad which isn't overly hard. After that ok some tactics will be needed for a game but that takes what reading a report from a scout about the opponents and then teaching the players it which will take 5 mins and letting the coaches get them practising.

Don't agree with the majority of that. We evidently need someone who can actually show tactical skill and can motivate the players in the big games....leaving the players to themselves hasn't achieved good results.

Its not just about leaving big name players out, its getting the best out of the players and being able to compete for a full match......not getting ahead then letting the opposing team bombard us for the rest of the match. Motivation and actually deciding players' roles are what we lack....i mean we have the best midfield in the world, but they play fucking awfully together.

Bottom line for me is: Sven = gash.....mclaren = gash mark 2

I personally don't think stuart pearce should have been mentioned at all, he only started managing last year for fucks sake, it would be stupid. Plus big sam wouldn't have been the best choice either, he's just not good enough tactically.



Don't agree with the majority of that. We evidently need someone who can actually show tactical skill and can motivate the players in the big games....leaving the players to themselves hasn't achieved good results.

Its not just about leaving big name players out, its getting the best out of the players and being able to compete for a full match......not getting ahead then letting the opposing team bombard us for the rest of the match. Motivation and actually deciding players' roles are what we lack....i mean we have the best midfield in the world, but they play fucking awfully together.

Bottom line for me is: Sven = gash.....mclaren = gash mark 2

Yeh what i mean about the big names thing is though maybe sacrifing say Ashley Cole, playing 3 at the back and say Carrick as a defensive midfielder leaving both Gerrard and Lampard to play their normal attacking games, things like that.

What you said about motivation is why Pierce would be a good choice next time around, he could motivate anybody and if they gave up when they were winning he would scare the shit out of them and get them playing again lol. Tactical skill hmm yes but with the players we have we could straight out play anyone in the world other than Brazil so tactics are simpler than a not so good team. Obviously they are important but with the team we have if you put the right players on the pitch doing the right roles its sorted pretty much.

*Realises it's an essay thread and the illiterate leaves*

Tactics are one of the most important aspects. Sven doesn't have any, and its shown by the fact that we haven't been to a final and have lost twice in the recent tournaments against teams that we were up against. Anybody can pick an england team that will win against most teams, but it takes a decent manager to get england to win against the big teams

I think he's done okay since going to Boro'. Under Robinson, Boro' were in the bracket for potential relegation teams... He's done well to motivate the players, bring decent new players in and its been shown through the fact that they're now a top 8 side.

Decent selection... Mos def not the best, mos def not the worst. I've been sayin O'Neill is the best man for the job from the start.

Dunno how you can say they are a top 8 side considering they are 13th with a game to go.

My point was, that with the money that's been ploughed in, you'd expect Boro to be better.

I know tactics are important but tactics are useless if you have the wrong players on the pitch or in the wrong roles for example if you gave Mourhino our current team that Sven picks and said you're not allowed to change the starting line up, do you really think he would lead us to the world cup? I think not he would have to change the line up to be able to play the correct tactics, this is all well and good, he would do if he had the choice but the thing is Sven won't he is too scared to change things and upset big names and/or the paper and i think Mclaren will be exactly the same.

Motivation and actually deciding players' roles are what we lack....i mean we have the best midfield in the world, but they play fucking awfully together.



I agree on the role playing (as i said earlier) and agree that mclaren will probably do the same thing by not leaving big name players (beckham) out of the team. But i also think that if you gave Mourinho the team that sven picks then he would be able to lead us to the cup. I don't think beckham should automatically start for england, and i do think having a defensive midfielder behind gerrard and lampard (or even leaving one of them on the bench to be replaced) would be beneficial to England as i've said in the past. But, that doesn't mean that we can't win the cup with beckham on the pitch.


Anywho, picking the right starting eleven is what i consider to be a major part of footballing tactics, so we are kind of arguing the same thing.

Yeh i suppose we are kinda lol. Personally i wouldn't leave Beckham out or Lampard but each to their own.

Don't agree with it at all, McClaren is a boring cunt who's achieved precisely nothing as a manager despite having a good set of players at Middlesboro. He's just another Sven, worse, he's Svens understudy which makes him an even bigger prick and less of a football mastermind. His tactics are essentially just as negative as Svens, although as we've seen with Boro in the UEFA cup he is prepared to throw caution to the wind at times. But don't be surprised to see the same old "lets score one then sit back and whenever the ball comes to us, hoof it back to the opposition" technique employed by the marked man that is Super Swede. The FA are losers, again they're just bowing to pressure because the public wants somebody English but for me, McClaren is not the right man for the job. I agree with Funk though, it's better than Big Sam, I've have honestly never seen such a boring, negative team as Bolton, they make me want to kill myself and/or others. Arsenal and Blackburn aside I hate them the most in the Premiership, they're a stain on the good name of football the fucking piss ant lily white boring twats.

Thats my rant for the day, fuck Big Sam fuck McClaren fuck the FA and maim the Swede. Come on England

If i could rep you i would hob....definitely on the same wavelength

I think McLaren's the wrong choice .. i mean i know he's been the protege of Sir Fergie and Sven but .. it'll be too much like the old England .. no change .. and he's done fuck-all with Boro .. too unpredictable .. i mean .. which kinda team loses 7-0 and then 4-0 and then defeats the runaway champions 3-0 .. :( .. it means he can't be arsed at times .. or doesn't care .. we'll see downing on the left now .. definitely .. and we're basically as we were .. no fresh thoughts .. no changes ..

But ..

The others were'nt much either ..

Stuart Pierce was too inexperienced .. too young for the top stop .. and he hasn't really won anything ..

Fat Sam would have been terrible .. Victorious - Yes .. but he'd prolly had Kevin Davies made a British citizen with Nolan behind him and Terry throwing in long balls with G. Neville doing long throws grinding out 1-0 wins ..

Martin O Neil couldn't come because of obvious reasons .. he would have been excellent ..

That left Scolari .. who they handled incorrectly and improperly .. he would have been great too but thanks to the British media he didn't want any of it .. and the fact that he wanted more money ..

They missed out on Guus Hiddink .. he would have been the best i believe .. with international experience and stuff .. Korea '02, Australia now .. I mean.. he would have been perfect .. but he's taken ..

So ..

With the choices the FA had .. i think McLarens a reasonably good choice since he's been around that dressing room for a while and knows the system, the players and everything ..

^.. And I know i refuted my own earlier comments but it's all the FA could do .. really ..

Hiddink would have been perfect. I think the FA botched the whole thing themselves. Scolari's reason about intrusion is billy balls considering what happens in Brazil.....i mean the English media are bad (and sometimes would rather see the England in ruins than see them do well) but compared to mother napping and gang threats, its no contest really. Really it seems like it was just the timing, manner and the actual contents of the offer that put Scolari off the job.

O'neil was the best candidate out of the british managers. Pearce was right when he said he shouldn't have been mentioned (this as a city fan who loves the guy) as he isn't experienced enough and city have been gash for half a season.

there was no1 right for the job