this is a post i made bak in the dubss forum, heres my look... well bak then on where jay-z stands,


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Ok.. I hear a bunch of talk jay-z this jay-z that, lets get it straight


First offf


Jay-Z vS. NaS

Jay-z wrecks nas in every fucking way, nas was on jay-z's dick until he got envious and turned on him, lets take example, on the tour with large professor, the crowd turned into a riot, nas and large professors pussy asses ran into the bus, while jay-z waved the crowed off with a gat, reasoning the verse, "who showed yoo ya first tec in tour wit large professor" in takeover, now we got some controversy over oh yeaah blah blah blah, ether wrecked takeover, nawt really, cuz ether's lil disses were like lil 5th grade disses, cockafella, i rock hoes, ya'll wrock fellas, gay-z, camel lips... thats dissing every black person that had big lips, including b.i.g so he needs to stfu, what makes it worse, is takeover was a fuckign summer jam freestyle... fucking pathetic... and it still wrecks wut nas took so long to write... then supa ugly came out, most ppo say, that was gay, n some dick riders just followed them, when supa ugly was a freestyle that wrecked, my fav. lines in that song ""you kick yo little lies i kick mah facts// like yo sneakin out the bak of the source sound lab//---yoo know how i do//look i got more shootaz in queensbridge than yoo// nigga ill tie u up on the collesuem's roof// n open beer bottles off the boys chipped tooth//---- its the j to the a, hova god, nigga never sold shit how u escobar// had to buy ya chain bak last time yoo got robbed// the nerve of this coward oh my god///
--- me n the boy a.i. got more in common// than just ballin n rhymin// get it? more in carmen// i came in yo bentli backseat// skeeted in yo jeep// left condoms in yo babyseat//.
lol aite foe those that say oh oh oh.. he uses biggies rhymes oooo.. nigga plz b4 biggie died he announced in public that jay-z was the best other than him, now did pac ever say that about nas? HELL NO pac had beef with the whole east coast, and nas's pussy ass never dissed him bak cuz his ass was too scared, all nas did was say 2pac your fake... now nas calls himself 2pac, just saying that hes pretty much fake.. thats fucking pathetic...... ok foe all those still skeptic,
takeover vs. ether stats-

takeovers best lines-
i dont care if yoo mobb deep i hold triggaz to crews// yoo lil' fuck i got money stacks bigga than yoo//
dont let em gas yoo// like jigga is ass and wotn clap yoo// trust me on this one ill detatch yoo// mind from spirit, body from soul// they hafta hold a mass putcho body in a hole//
yoo not on mah level getcho brakes tweaked// i sold wutchur whole album sold in mah first week//
went from nasty nas to esco trash// yoo had a spark when yoo started// but now yoo just garbage//fell from top 10 to not mention at all// till yoo bodyguards oochie wally verse betta than yours//
careers come to an end// only so long fake thugs can pretend//
i showd yoo ya first tec// on tour wit large professor//then i heard your album about a tec on ya dressa//
yeah i sampled yo voice yoo was using it wrong// yoo made it a hot line// i made it a hot song
yoo said youve been in it 10 ive been in it 5// smarten up naas// 4 hours and ten years// nigga i can divide//then one oh lets say 2// 2 of em shits was doo// one was naah// the other was illmatic// thats one hot album every 10 yr average//


ehter good lines-
spit on mah grave// talk about me laugh about me behind mah back but not in mah face// (noone did that tho)
when the streets keep callin// heard it in mah sleep// taht this gay-z and the cockafella records wanted beef// startin cocking up my weapons slowly loading up this ammo// to explode it on a camel//
i still whip ya ass// yoo 36 in a karate class/ tae bo hoe//
rocafella died in the age that was the end of his chapter// n thats the man yo named yur company afta// put it together// i rock hoes ya'll rock fellas// (but later in the song he tells jay-z hes got his face ina girls pussy wutever, and rockafeller is still often used..)
yo whole record label get gunned up n clapped quik// jaz o to jay-z damn yoo on jaz dick//them lil shortys get gunned up n clapped quick// how many of biggies rhymes gunn come outcho fat lips//




they both aite, but the fact is jay-z wrecked nas, ... and in a fucking summer jam freestyle.. fucking get it straight


Now i hear about eminem wrecks jay-z blah blah, wutever...


eminem never fucking worked as hard as jay-z, NEVER jay-z came up from nothing, from da streets of marcy,, eminem, just got a record deal from dre. and then yoo gunn talk about, well i dont care about how they commercialize or hustle.. HUSTLING IS WHAT MAKES A NIGGA REAL AND NOT JUST ANOTHER FAKE PUSSY RAPPING ABOUT IT. and eminem obviously doesnt knoe how, cuz dre did everything for em except his lyrics, cuz thats eminem has, his lyrics, and they wreck, woop de doo, but i never grew up in a trailer, i never stood up to mah dad, i grew up in the slums, i respected mah dad when eh was around, never disrespected mah mom cuz she gave me life... so i dont relate to eminem, his lyrics are the shit, but his life is totally different from mine, so if yoo relate good for yoo, then theres the only reason yoo should like him more than jay-z, and then nfurno.. yur gonna tell me ur mad cuz ur mom got in a car accident, if your feeling him so much, why dont u fuckign slit her throat and stick her in your trunk?...get it straight... jay-z wrecks them...

yoo still have more reasons why yoo think ppo are better than jay-z? go ahead tell me

these are the only people that are better than jay-z---

big l
biggie smalls
2pac
jaz o

Still not convinced Mike ;)

hehe :p its the same mikey special copy pasted hehe

YEA NIGGAAAAA!!! Thats it.Say No more.Let them Fag Niggas Hate.Jigga Runnin This Rap Shit.O and the ROC DA MIC TOUR...JIGGA RIPPED IT!!!!! Matter of Fact..The WHOLE ROCAFELLA RIPPED IT!!!! ~wOn~

^^ yup


smart guy right there heh :p

Blah Blah Blah...
Did Jay work his ass of to get the Rebok deal w/ 50 to?
nobody wants to hear a shoe rap!

and out comes da dickrider^.. *sigh*


smh.. hustlas do wut agen?


they try to get money right?


now wut would opening a shoe money do for you?


GET MONEY


get tha fuck outta hea

The only decision I don't stand behind Jay in was the beef w/ Nas for the simple fact that everyone knows, IT WAS ALL TO HELP NASIR'S CAREER (woo and that rhymed) I mean think about it, Nas was this "great emcee" but was getting slept on, he beefs w/ Jay, now all of the sudden, OH THEY THE HEAVYWEIGHTS OF RAP. I still don't look at nas as a heavyweight, to me his lyrics is nowhere near jay's. Jay has punches out da ass, and not them elementary shits like Luda be using (he mah man tho, consistent as hell) Jay spit some murdarous shit. Realest stories, and vicious punches=deadly combo.

The youth I used to be, soon to see a million/No more, "Big Willie" my game is grown prefer you call me William
-"Can I Live"
Reasonable Doubt (1996)

Damn! Jesus Christ!!!! Wait a minute...

About his where-abouts I wasn't convinced/I kept feeding her money til her shit started to make sense (cents)
-"D'Evils"
Reasonable Doubt (1996)

Damn homey! I mean really, he's saying he paid the bitch til she started giving him clear info, but the way he says it is too fucking vicious. Now let's go recently:

"When I blast the pump/I leave you relaxed, in a hospital looking at M*A*S*H for months"
-"All I Need"
Blueprint (2001)

DAMN! You know most hospitals only get that bullshit basic cable, and shit like Mash is what you can expect to see, so damn he did it to 'em raw. Lyrically I think Jay is the best, YES, I say he's better than big. He says real shit, in a vicious way, knows how to make classic albums, sets trends, just like he says on the song Lyrical Exercise. And speaking of, he makes metaphorical songs like a motherfucker. The whole song "Dope Man" from Vol 3...Life and Times of S. Carter he was comparing his career to that of a drug dealer, and the setup was a court trial. Same thing with "People's Court" my man used a court song and made a court/street connection. "Right hand over left, that's how I cross examine" Damn he is a beast.

The whole thing with Em to me goes like this, Em is a beast, Em and Jay are tied in my mind, Em has the rhyme scheme no one can touch, and says shit that ppl either dont think about but agree with, or think about but dont speak. Like when he was talking about J-Lo my man said

"I'm sorry Puff but I don't give a fuck if this chick was my own mother/I'd still fuck her with no rubber/And cum inside her and have a son and a new brother at the same time/and just say that it ain't mine"
-"I'm Back"
Marshall Mathers LP (2000)

Damn! I think that was the wrong year but anyway they tied to me. But on Renegade Em didn't really make Jay look bad, but he did kinda outshine him. But it still dont matter cuz both of them niggas is raw. Jay is the man, I'm a miss him, I still listen all CD's when I'm playin Vice City or Madden, except for In My Lifetime cuz it's the only one I never had. PPL can y'all give me ya pick on Vol 1 tell me if it's vicious.

My order of Jays CD's

1.Reasonable Doubt
2.Blueprint
3.Vol 3...Life and Times of S.Carter
4.Blueprint 2: The Gift and The Curse
5.Vol 2...Hard Knock Life
6.Dynasty: Roc La Familia

Dynasty was still good but Beans and Bleek just brought the bar down too low for me, I still fux wit it.

nigga jigga got sick flo great punches,and mixes some spanish and shit up,hes a got a hot brand(rocawear) and got hot crew roc-a-fella,

thats my word NIGGGGAAAA!!!

hell yea my nigga em rocks the mic if you got flo like him it dont matter what color u are,hes got the best or one of the best lyrics rap has ever hesard,and he only hangs around the realest people and JAY-Z IS ONE OF THEM

fukin dumbshit.
aight check it
first off, nas woz never on Jay-Z's dick. u know y jay dissed nas? (by the way, the first hit was on takeover, thats when the whole thing started) bcoz nas wuldnt do a song wid him. jay wonted a song wid nas, but nas wuldnt do it,
"u been on my dick nigga"
"wanted to be on every one of my classics"
ether

jay-z was ridin nas. on a song he said, "we tight like The Firm"

so wot if big liked jay? jay still rips big's lyrics. tell u who else he rips?
pac
slick rick
sugarhill gang
snoop
dre
eminem
krs one

just a list off the top of my head. also, jay ripped w hole song off a pac album (03 bonnie and clyde) where pac dissed him. and he took it from a song wid a double meaning with guns and gilfriends, to sum bullshit radio rotation song.
also, nas and pac made up b4 pac died, and they were plannin a collab album.

jay-z is a ag, hypocite and a shit rapper. he only raps bout how much money he got. listen to 2 of their newest singles. nas with i can, a motivational song to all those kids in the ghetto, while jay got sum song with beyonce talkin bout how hot she is. no come on. wake the fuck up.

lol I am a true hardcore Jigga fan and I do agree with almost everything u said. Jay-Z do make a lot of long songs to hiself (check out the hovi baby remix, it's like his female sperm is singing to him thanking him for ejackulating) But see the thing is Jay-Z is at a point now where he can only talk about sucess becuz it revolves around him, nas, on the other hand, makes motivational songs. not a bad idea i will give him that, but does a trick ass song as well.

just like jay said, he exposed the hell outta nas:

"Can't y'all, see that he's fake, the rap version of TD Jakes/ prophecizing on your CD's and tapes/Won't break you a crumb off the little bit that he makes/And this is with whom you wan place ya faith?.......Aint I supposed to be absored with myself/Everytime there's a tragedy I'm the 1st one to help......These dudes is all politics depositing checks they put in they pocket/All you get in return is a lot of lip/And y'all buy the shit caught up in the hype/Just cuz a nigga wear a koofy don't mean that he right/Cuz u dont understand him it dont mean that nyce/Just mean you dont understand all the bullshit that he writes/Is it "oochie wally wally" or is it "one mic?" is it "black girl lost" or shorty owe you for ice?"
Blueprint 2
-Blueprint 2: The Gift and the Curse

Now Jay-Z is consistent, he wont make a song dissin females, and then turn around and tell him to keep they head up, he'll keep him on they knees throught the whole album. Jay-Z is my fav (wit Em) in that I know what he's capable of, his punchlines is sick. Look at these internet niggas spittin madd punchlines, shit is hott, but it's just like Jay says "you got a dictionary you can spit anything you want" but Jay is real. He's got the intelligence in his rhymes that a lot of street niggas dont have, yet, he is street. Thats why I fucks wit him personally, plus he makes great music. Nas is vicious, I do not sleep on him, book of rhymes? woah! Last Real nigga alive? Damn! he got hott shit too, but he just a few steps behind Jay.

He's got the lyrics and whatnot, but the sucess isn't there. He is slept on by the industry, but he still aint done nothing about it...therefore, I'm a go wit Jay on this one. Only person Jay cannot see is X-QUIZ but X-QUIZ is a genius and a gangsta at the same time. He's like a smart thug.

lmao @ the end, i agree with all ur shit,y u ask?cuz i like almost all rappas(cept for ja,nelly,pdiddy and all da otha fakas)i dont hav a guy i listen to da most, but in da nas jay beef,nas won and that all there is too it,jay z mite hav more fame but nas is the betta rapper,and actually is startin to get notcied more,so good 4 him

The only reason I say Nas won that battle was simply becuz was a battle created for Nas to gain some fame, which Jay-Z had a lot of. It was a fluke, it was fun, but it was a fluke, and in my mind, the winner of that battle is the one who got the most of what they wanted out of it, which is Nas for gaining some celebrity out of it, Jay-Z really had nothing to gain from it so of course he would lose, AND HE STILL ON TOP. At least he aint like Ja Rule punk bitch selling out ass, gets dissed and is no longer getting airplay. That is kinda shysty tho, even tho Ja did it to himself.

X QUIZ IS A SMART THUG....LOL ILL GIVE IT TO YA,I CANT AHTE ON JAY-Z HES ILL SP WAT IF HE TALKS ABOT I WOULD TO IF I HAD IT....HE GOT CONSITINENT FLO CD'S OFF THE HOOK...TYTE LABEL AND GEAR..THIS NIGGA IS UNSTOPPABLE
HE DOES HAVE GAY LOVE SONGS,BUT WHO DOESNT.HE AN ALL A ROUND G...GIVE HIM PROPS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

im wiv macyrical on this 1,jay is a good rapper but he dotn talk bout real shit,nas' song was inspiring 2 every1 who wants 2 succeed,like em's song lose yourself....both great motivational songs....they're above jay man....soz
alot of rappers do just tlk bout there money,sex,cars etc
i aint heard all of jay-z shit so i dont no but all his stuff ive heard has been bascially bout that.

Originally posted by shadyslady
im wiv macyrical on this 1,jay is a good rapper but he dotn talk bout real shit,nas' song was inspiring 2 every1 who wants 2 succeed,like em's song lose yourself....both great motivational songs....they're above jay man....soz
alot of rappers do just tlk bout there money,sex,cars etc
i aint heard all of jay-z shit so i dont no but all his stuff ive heard has been bascially bout that.

Well in that case, you need to hear more of Jigga's shit...

"Motherfuckers say that I'm foolish, I only talk about jewels/
Do you FOOLS listen to music or do you just skim through it?"

~ Jay-Z, 'Renegades'.

By his OWN admission, Jay-Z releases poppy singles to, as he says, "keep the cash registers ringing".

i aint' convinced

Eh...in every sense of the word... Jay beat Nas.......fact in point...

if there's a net-cee battle...and someone just brutuly moloest another dude with personal's then it's a wrap..... In 1 verse Jay made a mockery out of Nas's whole rap career...and Nas came with a whole song and couldn't find but one hard personal which is his personal opion...:"You 36 in a Karate Class...Tae-bo ho"....besides that....Jay closed the case....and NO Jay is the illest breathing....but once again top 5 dead or alive....and you can't compare Jay and Nas they do they thangs the best....I'm done......big up's to P. Pimpin.....KEEP IT MOVING......-ghost

yeah id haveta agree Jay's on top of the beef.....but, i prefer nas just to listen to...
jay's got better punches yada yada yada.....in a battle sense hes nice (more so than nas), but so are lot of mcs ....nas's lyrisism is a lot more unique.....and.....im gunna be slaughtered for saying this lol......sometimes jigga seems pretty off beat to me.....renegade being a prime example.........hes gotta plenty nicer delivery and mic presence than nas.......but for me nas has the flow & the lyrisicm over Jay.......

Blah. Fuck that shit

eNiTe thinks the same way that I do. If you're a real hip hop head you'll see how Jay really won that battle against Nas, cause all Nas did was repeat the same shit back at him.

"Fell from top 10 to not mentioned at all, til our bodyguards Oochie Wally's verse was better than yours, matta fact you had the worse flow in the whoole fucking song.."

-Jay-Z


"Eminem murdered you on your own shit"

-Nas



"You'se the fag model for Karl Kani and Esco Ads"
-Jay-Z


"You think you getting girls now because of your looks?"
-Nas





But yo, this shit really don't matter cause Nas is way too in consistent in his career to ever be placed above jay in my opinion. And I mean the nigga talks a lot of honest shit, and realness, but he doesn't do the shit in real life. You can talk about wanting to help your black people out all fucking day, but he doesn't do a damn thing. No charities. NO free concerts, no nothing. Not even a fucking tour lately.


Don't talk about it, be about it.

That nigga Jay be in the hood every Christmas giving away toys, gifts, X Boxes, PS2's to the Brooklyn Kids.(This year Beyonce was there too.) He does free concerts everynow and then. He's on tour every summer, and proceeds from his ticket sales benefit a whole lotta different shit, from Columbine, to 9-11, to everything. And niggas got the nerve to say that Jay isn't real.
That's bullshit

^I clap to that

Nas is good...but Jay like one of the realest emcee's out there when it comes to his shit Nas be on some save the world shit I aint see his ass helping no youth do shit. jay was Principle for a day at Crossland which is in PG county where I grew up I went to Largo tho.

Agrees with YWE...

Jay is the illest..

Preach! Preach!

I've never seen so many Jay-Z dick riders in one place at the same time. Seriously, anyone who buys a Jay-Z album because "Jay-Z contributes to charities" is a weak mo fo. Weak just like their mentor's lyrics. You people make up any lame excuse to hate on Nas or to glorify Jay-Z - it's ridiculous.

Lyrically there is absolutely no competition, Jay-Z pales in comparison. Flow wise Jay-Z is nice but the flow isn't his - it was fathered by "insert name here." Someone mentioned "Renegade" LoL - Jay-Z did nothing for that song but mess it up - the original version with Royce the 5'9 is way better. Download the original on Kazaa if you don't believe me.

Ether burned this dude and none of the disses were copied - they are the truth. Ask Jaz! True, Nas' career is plagued with hoirrble beats and bad decision making, but, I'd rather listen to an insightful Nas track than an inferior materialistic Jay-Z one.

Nas:
"You can't be me, not in your wildest fantasy /
It's childish; should I have to resort to violence? /
Pay me a half a million, I'll consult your album /
And show you how to stay off my dick /
That's the thing I hate the most, can't even call you a man /
When you gotta call out my name to get you some fans /
No talent, you need direction; you a pussy with a yeast infection /
You unlucky, I'm your fuckin C-section /
Plus I'm the last real nigga alive /
Toast glass, Ill Will, the label get high /
Realize / How many classics I gave you? /
Perhaps if you think back you'll realize that I made you /"

Escora shut the fuck! up. Nas wouldnt even be shit without Jay Z. He was Jays apprentice, so half the shit he say he learned from Jigga. Quit hatin and get yo facts right!

Escora shut the fuck! up. Nas wouldnt even be shit without Jay Z. He was Jays apprentice, so half the shit he say he learned from Jigga. Quit hatin and get yo facts right!

In what fantasy? Nas was out way before Jay-Z was. When Jay-Z came out he didn't even sound as he does now - he sounded as if he was a member of the Fu-Shnick crew with his wack ass. Nas has had the same flow, same character, and same insights since his debute. Without Jigga, no doubt, Nas would probably still be sleeping and most likely would not have released Stillmatic or God's Son. Nas was definitely awakend by the insubordinate Jay-Z, but Nas put that bitch back in his place.

Nigga, Nas started all this beef with jay to boost his career. You see he needed that shit, cause nobody wanted to hear his gay ass. I guess he acomplished his mission, cause now he has more niggaz on his dick than he can handle(Escora).

Nigga, Nas started all this beef with jay to boost his career. You see he needed that shit, cause nobody wanted to hear his gay ass. I guess he acomplished his mission, cause now he has more niggaz on his dick than he can handle(Escora).

Unlike you, I don't ride dicks. I call things down the middle, the way that I see them, with facts. I don't fabricate scenarios to ride an MC's cock. Look at your name and tell me you're not a JZ groupie? I'm sorry that facts hurt you so deeply, but nevertheless, they must be told.

(Also, just for your information, my user name is ESOCRA not ESCORA. The name has nothing to do with Escobar like you seem to be trying to imply. It is short for Socrates with an E in front of it cause my name is Eric.)

How did Nas start this beef again? I'd like to hear this one.

Yo from what i know, Nas Was upset about Memphis Bleek using Primo's Beat "Nas Is Like" off the "I Am" album and responded back to Memph with "Nastradamus" with the line 'you wanna ball to you fall i can help you with that.'
Memph and Nas traded punches at each other until Memph went on the air and asked nas why he had beef with Memph and not going at Jay.

These are not my words:

"Despite all the indirect lines and the little jabs, I think what did it for Nas was when Jay-z said, "Ask Nas he dont want it wit Hov", at a NYC Hot-97 Concert. Nas responded by making "Stillmatic". Nas pulled out a flurry on "Hov" when he said, "Is he H to the Izzo M to the izzo?/Fa shizzle, you phony/The rappin version of Sisqo. Jay-z shook off the attack by returning a huge flurry himself with "The Takeover". "The Takeover", was supposed to be just what is was called, Hov's takeover but, Nas was up for another round. Nas returned with "Ether" like "The Takeover" never even phazed him. On this track Nas shows why he is still not to be taken lightly. Jay-z didn't stop their though he created "Super Ugly", a song that Jay says, was only a freestyle and was only meant to be on a mixtape but, it hit the radios and before you knew it the people of NYC, was saying that Nas was king. "

I dont give a fuck about your name, or your agenda. Now that thats straight, Im not a groupie. I just know real hip hop when I hear it. And I know bitches when I see em. Nas is one, and Jay Z is a better MC. I know your pro Nas cause you from Queens and all, and you could probally "really" ride nas's dick. Actually you have probally done this many times before, so many times that his dick has made you a believer, that he is better than Jay Z.

I dont give a fuck about your name, or your agenda. Now that thats straight, Im not a groupie. I just know real hip hop when I hear it. And I know bitches when I see em. Nas is one, and Jay Z is a better MC. I know your pro Nas cause you from Queens and all, and you could probally "really" ride nas's dick. Actually you have probally done this many times before, so many times that his dick has made you a believer, that he is better than Jay Z.

Yea, OK little HOV. My residence in Queens has nothing to do with an MC's lyrical ability. I'm from the same exact hood as Norega yet you won't EVER hear me backing up his lyrical ability or complete lack thereof! Like I said before, I call shit how I see it. Geographically, I live closer to Marcy than I do to Queens Bridge. Big fucking deal? My location has nothing to do with it, instead, lyrics have everything to do with it. If you don't feel Nas is lyrically superior than either you haven't listened to enough Nas tracks or you're a fucking moron. Choose one.

How many times have i said it, Anybody who says Jay-z is better then Nas, is just a dickrider, Nas had murdered him in Ether because everything he said bout jay was funny, CAUSE IT WAS TRUE, jay-z disses Nas with his own "opinions", Nas comes at jay wit "facts", get it straight, Yeh it boosted Nas' career, but he didnt do it on purpose, Nas sat back and did his thing, the deep poetic lyricist that he is, Jay started the beef, and what, is Nas supposed to sit back and let Jay diss him? no, so he disses him back and completely murdered him with ether, listen to all of the Nas albums and then listen to Jay's albums, u will completely tell the difference and know y nas is better, every rapper in the game knows nas is better then jay, yall r just lil groupie fans who dickride, just face it, u can not come up with solid "facts" to y jay would be better then nas, cause he is not, everyone knows that, the only people who dont seem to realize that r the dickriders, when sway interviewed jay-z on the "all eyez on me" special, jay didnt even want to respond to sway bout the beef wit nas cause he knew he lost, everyone knew he lost, there is too many dam dickriders, Illmatic was one of the all time hip hop albums ever, jay could never come up with a classic like nas, lets compare a few of their hit songs and see which rapper is better

JAY-Z
aint no nigga
sunshine
can i get a
money aint a thang
big pimpin
give it to me
girls girls girls
me n my girlfriend
changes clothes

ok ^^most of those songs are bout sex,money or drugs, lets check nas tracks

halftime
if i ruled the world
street dreams
hate me now
nastradamus
you owe me
got yourself a gun
one mic
made you look
i know i can

^^ those songs actually had meaning behind them, some were deep and had good messages, and some consisted of tales bout kids in the hoods tryn to do good, and some were raw hits just to bump ya head to and rap along wit

not to mention on every nas album there is always a track bout the world today and politics and society,
examples
If i ruled the world- It was written
New world-nastradamus
I want to talk to you- I am
We will survive- I am
Doo Rags- Lost tapes
Rule The World- Stillmatic
My Country-Stillmatic
Almost all of the God Son album was deep real, and had tracks bout life

But not to mention he can still make tracks and bangers for the streets, Nas makes a variety of songs and raps bout more serious shit and still has a nice flow when he spits bout the shit that normal everyday rappers spit bout

Jay jus has nice punches and metas, nice flow too, but is not on the level of Nas, yall dickriders jus fail to realize that

And i am not siding with one another, i just spit the truth, since i like BOTH artists

I have albums from both

Ones from Jay-z
Reasonable Doubt
Vol. 2 Hardnock Life
Dynasty
Blueprint
Black Album

Ones from Nas
Illmatic
It Was Written
I am
Nastradamus
Stillmatic
God's Son

And I've listened to enough of both artists to know Nas is better, no dickridin involved, its just a straight up FACT, You niggas need to get off jiggas dick

Fuck all that shit. Everything HOV said is true. Ya niggaz say illmatic is a classic. Ok look at Jay.
Reasonable Doubt
Blueprint
Hard Knocka Life
Black Album
Dynasty
Blueprint 2.1
shit all of them are classics. And nas, he takes 3 years to write a fuckin album. Jigga dont even write, its all off the top. Lets look at it like this if Nas and Jay Z were both to have a concert in MSG(Madison Sqaure Garden for slow people like Yo Less) on 2 seperate nights. Who's concert would be sold out the fastest, and whos tickets would cost more. Jay takes em both. If you did a survey of who thinks Jay Z is better than Nas, Jigga wins. If you take a poll on who really won the "battle" nas shit was just funny, Jiggas shit actually had meaning. Ya niggaz need to shut the fuck up and realize who the true King of Hip Hop is. Jay Z's name is synonomus with the word. If you yelled out Jay Z in the middle of the street, everyone would know who he is. Yell out nas and see what type of responses you get.........Stupid ass niggaz............

First off, Jay does not freestyle his songs, he memorizes them and then records them, i used to do that, but then realized it was stupid since you might forget rhymes later on, but i still do it kinda, when im in the car, at a party, or whatever, whenever i get a line i memorize it and write it down later, so jay-z's method is not that great, So your saying that jay-z is better cause he's more famous? what a dumbass!
so nelly is better then royce cause he's more famous? fucking herb, you know nothing, and jay would have higher prices at a concert? thats not a good thing you idiot, fans want prices to be cheaper so they can get in the concert easier, you dam moron, so ignorant, just look at ur dam name........ idiots these days

And none of jay's albums are classics, the closest ones are blueprint or reasonable doubt, even his last record "Black Album" was wack as fuck, prolly one of his sorriest albums, and thats the way he wants to go out? lol

Nas is King
Jay-Z is Not

Face the truth and just keep walking

Fuck all that shit. Everything HOV said is true. Ya niggaz say illmatic is a classic. Ok look at Jay.
Reasonable Doubt
Blueprint
Hard Knocka Life
Black Album
Dynasty
Blueprint 2.1
shit all of them are classics. And nas, he takes 3 years to write a fuckin album. Jigga dont even write, its all off the top. Lets look at it like this if Nas and Jay Z were both to have a concert in MSG(Madison Sqaure Garden for slow people like Yo Less) on 2 seperate nights. Who's concert would be sold out the fastest, and whos tickets would cost more. Jay takes em both. If you did a survey of who thinks Jay Z is better than Nas, Jigga wins. If you take a poll on who really won the "battle" nas shit was just funny, Jiggas shit actually had meaning. Ya niggaz need to shut the fuck up and realize who the true King of Hip Hop is. Jay Z's name is synonomus with the word. If you yelled out Jay Z in the middle of the street, everyone would know who he is. Yell out nas and see what type of responses you get.........Stupid ass niggaz............


Is synonomus even a word?
^^^dumbass

Is synonomus even a word?
^^^dumbass

Nope, it isn't a word. He meant to say "synonymous." It means that a word has a similar meaning to another. For example, HOV is synonymous with weak minded JZ dickrider.

I agree with Venom, just because an MC sells out his concerts, or is better known, does not make him the better lyracist. Like Venom said, I'm sure Nelly would sell out KRS-ONE, does that make him the better lyracist? HELL NO.

lol..
i respect both artists but fuck.. jay keeps pissing me off with his dick riding!
i mean he even gets on Jim Morrison's dead dick on takeover.. nas could relate to morrison cus' they are both poets where as jay, simply isn't.

omg...ppl sleepin on Jay, how isnt he a poet? He says some of the deepest shit you will ever hear.

"(If I should die) I tell Big they still hearing his songs
Run into pac ask him where we went wrong?
They say life is miserable, when you dealin in the physical form
Is everything that's invisible gone? I need to know"
"If I should Die" from Hard Knock Life...Volume 2.

Unlike well I should say ALL rappers, Jay's whole career wasnt built on going in one direction. Jay-Z is the most diverse rapper. And y'all only think he's about what you see in the videos but you have the nerve to say such erroneous things when you haven't heard EVERYTHING he's put out. Go through his whole career, you'll find all types of songs including those real real deep ones y'all look for. Meet The Parents is a deep ass story as well as a real good message.

Jay Z said it best on the black album the song what more can i say when he said
"I CEO's mine
That marketing plan was me
And no i ain't get shot up a whole bunch of times
Or make up shit in a whole bunch of lines
And i ain't animated, like say a, Busta Rhymes
But the real shit you get when you bust down my lines
Add that to the fact i went plat a bunch of times
Times that by my influence
On pop culutre
I supposed to be number one on everybodys list
We'll see what happens when i no longer exist"

Jay isnt full of gimmicks like most other rappers

The whole beef thing was commercial. Its hard to belive Jay-Z would start beef because of a rumor that Nas was talkin shit about him all the way in Cali on the radio, or some bullshit, overhyped verse Nas said into response to Memphis Bleek. The whole thing itself was another way of movin units.

If you say Nas killed him, Nas killed him,I respect that. In my opinion, I thought Jay-Z murked him with the takeover.

(I think it was a perfect advertisement/promotion to start beef with an artist that has more street cred than anyone at the moment)

Beef aside, how could anyone slam Jay-Z? He's gonna rap about whatever is on his mind, but he wanted it where it's going to appeal to both crowds, the party people and the people who listen to music for Biggie, Pac, Nas or whoever. Jay-Z wanted his music like that so he could sell his shit crazy. He even said it in moment of clarity on the second verse.

"I dumbed down for my audience to double my dollars"

Obviously he gave props to all the artists who have serious lyrical skill including Talib, Common, Nas, or whoever you want to throw on that list. So can you really criticize Jigga for havin commercial hits or simple rhymes? It's not like he's blind to see it, but I'm pretty sure the reviewers are.

Then on 99 problems he dropped another verse why he did it.

"Rap critics that say he's "Money, Cash, Hoes"
I'm from the hood stupid, what type of facts are those?
If you grew up with holes in your zapatoes
You'd celebrate the minute you was havin dough
I'm like fuck critics, you can kiss my whole asshole
If you don't like my lyrics, you can press fast forward"


Commercial shit aside, he rapped about how hard he hustled and hard life was for him. If you go through the same shit, I dont see how you could not like what he's sayin to you. Now if you ballin 24/7 and still keepin it ghetto and you rappin about what you do, I don't see how thats not real. Nigga Jay-Z owned the rap industry for 8 years straight album after album goin platinum, and he took the critics head on with the black album.

Jay-Z was just milkin the rap game off of whats it's mainly criticized for, but hey, at the end of the day he has what he worked hard for. Time for him to move on now that he has what he wanted.

jay-z is the best rapper ever. lil wayne even said it. oh yeah that dude that wanted to here about vol. 1. man thats my favorite. one of my fav songs is #4 imaginary playmate. jay spits on the second verse

now u got these young cats actin like the slung cats
all in they dumb raps talkin bout how the funds stack
when i see em in the street i dont see none of that
damn playboy where the fuck is the hummer at?
wheres all the ice and all the platinum under that?
those aint rolex diamonds what the fuck u done to that?
yall rappin ass niggas yall funny to me
yall sellin records being u but still u wana be me
i guess for every buck u make its a hundred for me
and still you runnin like u got somethin on me
but i done did it now yall wana take my flow and run wit it
thats cool i was the first one wit it
ORIGINAL JIGGAS THE FUTURE FLOW DIG-ITAL
still bustin my gat when shit gets cri-tical
sit it down i dont want yall to get it confused
i rip it down like i got nothin to lose


by the way. FUCK NAS

jay-z is the best rapper ever. lil wayne even said it. oh yeah that dude that wanted to here about vol. 1. man thats my favorite. one of my fav songs is #4 imaginary playmate. jay spits on the second verse

now u got these young cats actin like the slung cats
all in they dumb raps talkin bout how the funds stack
when i see em in the street i dont see none of that
damn playboy where the fuck is the hummer at?
wheres all the ice and all the platinum under that?
those aint rolex diamonds what the fuck u done to that?
yall rappin ass niggas yall funny to me
yall sellin records being u but still u wana be me
i guess for every buck u make its a hundred for me
and still you runnin like u got somethin on me
but i done did it now yall wana take my flow and run wit it
thats cool i was the first one wit it
ORIGINAL JIGGAS THE FUTURE FLOW DIG-ITAL
still bustin my gat when shit gets cri-tical
sit it down i dont want yall to get it confused
i rip it down like i got nothin to lose


by the way. FUCK NAS


^^^ Im feeling that shit. Other than Reasonable Doubt I think Vol. 1 In My Lifetime was Jay's hottest album. Has hit after hit on it. Hov and Biggie are parallel in my opinion. They are the all-time heavyweight champs.

jay-z is the best rapper ever. lil wayne even said it.

thats the SECOND time youve said that on this board. and ill say what i said to you last time....

if lil wayne said it it MUST be true!

...yeah i might have to remind you that was sarcasm...

thats the SECOND time youve said that on this board. and ill say what i said to you last time....

if lil wayne said it it MUST be true!

...yeah i might have to remind you that was sarcasm...

LOLOLOLOL ^^^^ I hope he was being sarcastic about that Lil' Wayne shit - who the fuck cares what Lil' Wayne thinks.

jay-z is the best rapper ever. lil wayne even said it

Damn you a stupid muthafucka.

1.Jay Z is not the best rapper ever there is a list a mile long of rappers who are much better than he is.
2.Who the fuck is Lil' Wayne? Why The Fuck should we care what he thinks? any one with "lil" infront thier name is an indication that they are pretty whack!
3.Jay Z is not the worst rapper ever he has had some good songs
4.Why is if You like Jay Z you cant like nas? have u even heard illmatic?

if u were a real hip hop fan ud know that nas killed jay-z, and i aint just sayin it cause i hate jay-z

i thought nas killed jay, u should specify who u are talkin too.

yea i wernt talkin bout u i was refferrin to all the jay-z dickriders

Nas won period yall jay z fans puttin random lines next to each other it makes no sense of course if I put a good Nas punchline with an alright Jay-z punchline it'll make Nas look better and vise versa put any Good Nas song next to a Good Jay song or Put
Takeover Next to Ether or any Good Random mixtape battle they spit at each other and Nas comes out on on top it's just like the Canibus thing some of these young ass kids are just to fuckin dumb to understand real lyrical content so yall automatically assumes it's gay or it suck read a fuckin book or dictionary then you'll understand maybe it doesn't even take that much just pay attention in class and if you don't please do and more thing compare Nas' first album to Jay's Compare every song on every track do that with all of their albums including Jay's Bubblegum Hits vs. Nas' StreetHits/StreetAthems Jay's really Only StreetAthems were HardKnock Life and it was still bubblegum even if Nas had a hit it was grimey and street savy even "I know i can" ,that's what todays children should be listening to so they don't grow up hostile,in jail,Dumb as fuck,Baby's Mommas and Daddy's instead of Husbands and Wives, or Dead. but anyway Nas is one of the Top 10 Emcees easily Jay probably isn't even top20...sorry, I'm Out like 50cent

P.S.
Didn't Vol 1. have that Poppy ass,Shiny Suit ass Shit Sunshine that the streets weren't feelin' so don't put some shit like Nastradamus cuz that shit still a banger
and it's lyrical content fuckin kills sunshine.(I compared those two cuz those were Jays first bubblegum hit and supposely that's when as you Jay fans put it "when Nas fell off or sold out" which isn't true that album was still nice.)

nastradamus had nice lyricism, but too many gay-ass pop-sounding jiggy beats. nas has never really changed his flow since it was written. i think he wanted to make more dough, so he was like "man maybe if i slap a jiggy beat all these pop-junkies like so much behind my on point lyricism, i can sell more units"...didnt work, big mistake, but he learned!!

all in all nas IS better than jayz, he has the better flow, lyricism and voice. plus he put out illmatic. i mean ILLMATIC. all you need is THAT ALBUM on ure CV and you can pretty much say "fuck you" to any other emcee. but there are many emcees i like more than nas, so dont think im sayin nas is the best, but he is better than jay-z.

jay-z is another rich fuck who WON'T help out hiz own ppl.
but i must say i rather like him, especially compared 2 puffy, now that is a fake nigga.
and i like jay-z's girl betta.

"everything i do, i gggotta own" (said very shy).

fuck u udd, u fuckin snitch. fuckin ass bitch.

why tha hell these fucks actin like they really know what went down personally wit Jay and Nas. Accusing and plottin shit in the back of their demented little meth'ed out brains. For all I know Jay was ghostin for Nas on Illmatic. Or that their battle were planned. YO KIDS, DONT BELIEVE EVERYTHING YOU HEAR IN THE GRAPEVINE! and Nas is the better Emcee cuz an Emcee gots to have new shit to write about on each new CD, look at Jay-Z and try to differentiate all his bullshit records from track to track. Most sound the same. Either pushing guns or pushing ghetto influence. No respect for Jay-Z........fake ass chump /\ nice /\
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Actually no one signed eminem because he was white.

Dre saw him at the LA battling competition and got a copy of his track "Infinite".

Em grew up with nearly nothing as well..

did ya all no that NO1 wanted 2 sign jay-z and hiz guys 6-7 years ago. he had 2 do everything on his --his label, droppin off records @ stores ext ext!!!!

bla bla bla bla, we all know nas is much better than jay and jay aint near the best rapper alive period, he's way overrated, so deal with it or let jay fuk you in ur ass with those stupid lines: 'Im suppose to be number one on everybody's list'....ehm NO!

^^^^^^^Lol

If this nigga so gay leave the fuckin forum then.