View Full Version : Jedi Mind Tricks are not anti-Christian!!!


Bone24
08-28-2006, 02:31 PM
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Vinnie Paz sent a bulletin on myspace clearing things up.

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"Jedi Mind Tricks vs. Christianity?


A great number of fans ask me about my references to Jesus ( Isa ) and Christianity, and why I seem to disrespect and vilify Christianity in our songs. First and foremost, I love Jesus. I also love Abraham, Moses, and Noah, to name just a few. May God's peace be upon all of these messengers of God. The fact of the matter is this: the right wing Christian fundamentalists who run our country have continuously started wars in the name of their "God", stolen in the name of their "God", and killed in the name of their "God". When the average person thinks of conservative Christians, they automatically think of Jesus. When I attack their ideas and politics, I use Jesus ( Isa ) as a metaphor for modern Christianity and it's stronghold on Amerikkkan culture. I apologize if I've offended or confused anyone along the way. For a better overstanding, read on...


Muslims respect and venerate Jesus Christ. They consider him to be one of God's greatest messengers to humankind. The Qur'an re-affirms his miraculous birth and his miraculous abilities. Furthermore, his mother Mary is regarded as one of the most pure and exalted women of all creation. As the Qur'an says:


"Behold! the angel said: 'God has chosen you and purified you and has chosen you above the women of all nations. O Mary! God gives you the good news of a word from Him, whose name shall be Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, honored in this world and the hereafter, and one of those brought near to God" (3:42).

Islam regards its teachings to be a re-affirmation and culmination of the teachings of previous monotheistic religions like Judaism and Christianity. Hence, all Muslims believe in Moses and Jesus as Prophets of God. Prophet Muhammad was commanded to recite in the Qur'an:

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"Say, we believe in God and that which was revealed unto us, and that which was revealed unto Abraham and Ishmael and Isaac and Jacob, and the tribes and that which was entrusted unto Moses and Jesus and the Prophets from their Lord We make no distinction between any of them and unto Him we have submitted" (3:84).

A Muslim never refers to him simply as "Jesus", but always adds the phrase "upon him be peace." The Qur'an confirms his virgin birth, and an entire surah (chapter) of the Qur'an is entitled "Mary." The Qur'an describes the Annunciation as follows:

"She said: 'O my Lord! How shall I have a son when no man has touched me?' He said: 'Even so; God creates what He wills. When He decrees a thing, He says to it, "Be!" and it is.'" (Qur'an 3:42-7)

Jesus was born miraculously through the same power that had brought Adam into being without a father: "Truly the likeness of Jesus with God is as the likeness of Adam. He created him of dust and then said to him, 'Be!' and he was." (Qur'an 3:59)

During his prophetic mission, Jesus performed many miracles. The Qur'an tells us that he said: "I have come to you with a sign from your Lord: I make for you out of clay, as it were, a figure of a bird, and breathe into it and it becomes a bird by God's leave. And I heal the blind, and the lepers, and I raise the dead by God's leave." (Qur'an 3:49)

Neither Muhammad nor Jesus came to change the basic doctrine of the belief in One God, brought by earlier prophets, but to confirm and renew it. In the Qur'an, Jesus is reported as saying that he came: "To attest the law which was before me. And to make lawful to you part of what was forbidden to you; I have come to you with a sign from your Lord, so fear God and obey me." (Qur'an 3:50)"

.meZ
08-28-2006, 02:37 PM
interesting...

X-NINE
08-28-2006, 08:49 PM
This changed up my opinions on JMT forreal..

fbi10
08-28-2006, 09:09 PM
good shit, bless jmt

Bone24
08-29-2006, 11:35 PM
Doesn't this change anyone elses mind about JMT?

I'm so relieved to hear this. Anyone else?

Multiplaxed,
08-29-2006, 11:38 PM
He definitely has the right idea, shame that he drinks.

southpole
08-29-2006, 11:42 PM
I'm so relieved to hear this.

...Why?

Bone24
08-30-2006, 01:21 AM
^^^
I'm Christian. I like JMT.

overSkill
08-30-2006, 01:24 AM
im christian to man i dont really care what he says about god n shit
i think anyone who rhymes can rhyme about watever the fuck they want, as long as they can rap and they have dope beats, which JMT definately has ill listen to them

Bone24
08-30-2006, 01:27 AM
I don't want to be a hypocrit. You'll never catch me listenin to Marylin Manson. If I did, I would be a hypocrit, because I am against people like him.

P.K.O
08-30-2006, 02:41 AM
Sounds like a bakflip ta me.
Either way I dont really care their shit dont mean anything ta people who need help tha most its a bunch of self righteous shit that hood niggaz aint feel anyway.

.meZ
08-30-2006, 02:01 PM
Sounds like a bakflip ta me.

umm, what?

Tw!stEd
08-30-2006, 02:05 PM
You'll never catch me listenin to Marylin Manson
lol...

P.K.O
08-30-2006, 02:47 PM
What dont you get about it mez?
Sounds like a bakflip.
Damage control.

Dras
08-30-2006, 04:37 PM
Doesn't change my opinion on them, but still good to know.

At least they aren't one of those dudes running around yelling
"FUCK CHRISTANITY" with no idea of what their talking about.

X-NINE
08-30-2006, 10:18 PM
Well I mean, this shit did alter what I originally thought of they music n shit....I thought 'fuck christian' shit was because he converted to being muslim when he put out 'Visions Of Gandi' and all this 'Fuck faggots' and gay ppl' n shit like that was cuz of his conversion to Islam.....But whatever, im like not that religious tho, but it is what it is

keenly
08-31-2006, 12:01 PM
I don't want to be a hypocrit. You'll never catch me listenin to Marylin Manson. If I did, I would be a hypocrit, because I am against people like him.

Why?

I would of said the same shit five years ago. In fact i did to a couple of people at my school. I was clowning them for listening to manson; 'why are you listening to that fucking freak'?

Now i have huge respect for him for having the balls to say 'i want to end chritianity'!

Religion is dictating the world and creating chaos, prejudice and hatred.

Million AND MILLIONS of people have been slaughtered because of relion; all through history around the world and it still happens today!

FUCK CHRIST, ALLAH, MUHAMMED AND ALL THE OTHER FICTIONAL CHARACTERS people kill for!

P.K.O
08-31-2006, 12:28 PM
Lol at you jesus and muhammed were real people in tha real world.
Its human nature to fight if it were not religion or relion as you say it would be something else people have justified their own agendas using religion but it was never tha teachings of these faiths that caused tha drama.
Question what does manson want instead of christianity ?or chritianity as you say.P.S I saw a film clip of him once and he aint have no balls!!!

keenly
08-31-2006, 05:28 PM
Lol at you jesus and muhammed were real people in tha real world.
Its human nature to fight if it were not religion or relion as you say it would be something else people have justified their own agendas using religion but it was never tha teachings of these faiths that caused tha drama.
Question what does manson want instead of christianity ?or chritianity as you say.P.S I saw a film clip of him once and he aint have no balls!!!

you are very ignorant.

There'a alot of religious scriptures which demean women, spread hatred and promote violence.

There would still be problems in the world within cults, i mean religion but not as many. Alot of people don't value life and accept death because of unjustified religious dogma.

I'm sick of people saying 'it was meant to happen' or 'it's god's work'.

Religion is holding science back.
p.s manson wants people to think for themselves and make inteligent decisions as do i.

Clusion
08-31-2006, 07:47 PM
Hmmm. Intresting but he does speak alot of truth.

overSkill
08-31-2006, 08:06 PM
you are very ignorant.

There'a alot of religious scriptures which demean women, spread hatred and promote violence.

There would still be problems in the world within cults, i mean religion but not as many. Alot of people don't value life and accept death because of unjustified religious dogma.

I'm sick of people saying 'it was meant to happen' or 'it's god's work'.

Religion is holding science back.
p.s manson wants people to think for themselves and make inteligent decisions as do i.

make inteligent decisions by urself? when the fuck did manson EVER get intelligent
o wait nvm yea i guess hes pretty smart, he only removed a rib because, quote "In [Marilyn Manson] case, the procedure wasn't to reduce waist size; it was to facilitate oral self-gratification."
yea some wierdo takes his rib off so he can suck his own dick, arite dude u got me hes not only smart, hes a fucking psycho, taking his words seriously is just fucking retarded on your part
either way, u say its better if everyone thinks for themselves, imagine if there was no religion ever in this world, people wouldnt know whats good from bad from the very beginning
which will leave even more chaos then the world now cause people would just do bad shit and think its fine


dumb faggot

P.K.O
08-31-2006, 08:17 PM
you are very ignorant.

There'a alot of religious scriptures which demean women, spread hatred and promote violence.

There would still be problems in the world within cults, i mean religion but not as many. Alot of people don't value life and accept death because of unjustified religious dogma.



Religion is holding science back.

p.s manson wants people to think for themselves and make inteligent decisions as do i.
If there are a lot of scriptures which do as you mentioned I challenge you to quote 10.
You accept death because it is inevitable.
How is religion holding science back they are two different things.
And no manson is not tha answer to tha worlds problems.

overSkill
08-31-2006, 08:19 PM
keenly i found some more quotes from your bf


"He also admitted to being a homosexual as well as a child-molester, and propositioned several teenagers at the church to try to entice them into having sex with him."

sound familiar keenly
ur not the only one who does that now

southpole
08-31-2006, 09:51 PM
keenly i found some more quotes from your bf


"He also admitted to being a homosexual as well as a child-molester, and propositioned several teenagers at the church to try to entice them into having sex with him."



Could you cite that?

From what iv seen/heard of Marilyn Manson,
he seems very intelligent.

overSkill
08-31-2006, 10:59 PM
http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Evils%20in%20America/marilyn_manson-the_truth.htm
might be bias cause its like a christian site hah iuno
but i nev er knew anything about manson till i went to that site

Clusion
09-01-2006, 06:16 AM
As christians say, 'Only god can judge me'

P.K.O
09-01-2006, 06:38 AM
Nah that was 2pac

Clusion
09-01-2006, 06:52 AM
^ i say it and alot of christians around me say it.

keenly
09-01-2006, 06:59 AM
keenly i found some more quotes from your bf


"He also admitted to being a homosexual as well as a child-molester, and propositioned several teenagers at the church to try to entice them into having sex with him."

sound familiar keenly
ur not the only one who does that now


Ha, ha you are delirious.

Whos' my boyfriend? Manson?
I'm not a fan of his, you ignorant cunt.

I don't give a shit about him i just respect people who have the balls to say religion is wrong.

Americans on the whole are followers and let religion dictate life. They are against sex before marriage but own guns(bible belt mainly); WHAT BULLSHIT IS THAT?

P.K.O
09-01-2006, 07:03 AM
So rookie I see you aint found tha 10 quotes then

keenly
09-01-2006, 07:08 AM
make inteligent decisions by urself? when the fuck did manson EVER get intelligent
o wait nvm yea i guess hes pretty smart, he only removed a rib because, quote "In [Marilyn Manson] case, the procedure wasn't to reduce waist size; it was to facilitate oral self-gratification."
yea some wierdo takes his rib off so he can suck his own dick, arite dude u got me hes not only smart, hes a fucking psycho, taking his words seriously is just fucking retarded on your part
either way, u say its better if everyone thinks for themselves, imagine if there was no religion ever in this world, people wouldnt know whats good from bad from the very beginning
which will leave even more chaos then the world now cause people would just do bad shit and think its fine


dumb faggot


Ha, ha. what are you 12 years old?

Who removed a rib? You must be kidding.Ever heard of a joke?
Who takes his words seriously, did i say i was a goth; HELL NO? But yes manson is very smart and even if he had surgery that is irrelevant to human intelligence.

I have immensely strong opinions which i know are right. If i'm unsure of something and do not have suffecient eveidence the back it up i will not mention it.

You carry on with your childish ignorance and unsubstantiated views and i'll carry on being a free thinking, well-informed grown man.

RELIGION =DICATATION!
think for yourself, do some research on the history of religion and the people slaughtered all over the world becuase the mind control it has.

P.K.O
09-01-2006, 07:13 AM
Where you at where your quotes at yo you got nuthing yo!!!

keenly
09-01-2006, 07:15 AM
So rookie I see you aint found tha 10 quotes then

I'm not taking them out of the toilet bowl becuase they're full of shit; get it? I read them,wiped my arse with them, then pissed on them.

P.K.O
09-01-2006, 07:21 AM
And there it is, now you know this cat jus talks on his feelings he got no evidence jus a whole lotta feelings

keenly
09-01-2006, 07:41 AM
And there it is, now you know this cat jus talks on his feelings he got no evidence jus a whole lotta feelings

"[The Israelites] warred against the Midianites, as the LORD commanded Moses; and they slew all the males. [...] And the children of Israel took all the women of Midian captives, and their little ones, and took the spoil of all their cattle, and all their flocks, and all their goods. And they burnt all their cities wherein they dwelt, and all their goodly castles, with fire. And they took all the spoil, and all the prey, both of men and of beasts. [...] And Moses said unto them, Have ye saved all the women alive? [...] Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves."
(Numbers 31:7-18, KJV)

"O daughter of Babylon, who art to be destroyed; happy shall he be, that rewardeth thee as thou hast served us. Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones."
(Psalms 137:8-9, KJV)

"And [Joshua's army] utterly destroyed all that was in the city, both man and woman, young and old, and ox, and sheep, and ass, with the edge of the sword. [...] [Joshua] left none remaining, but utterly destroyed all that breathed, as the LORD God of Israel commanded."
(Joshua 6:21 and 10:40)
"I will sing praise to your name, O Most High.... The enemies have vanished in everlasting ruins; their cities you have rooted out; the very memory of them has perished.... The LORD will swallow [up his enemies] in his wrath, and fire will consume them. [He] will destroy their offspring from the earth ... their children from ... humankind."
(Psalms 9:2, 6, and 21:9-10)



"[Thousands of angels] proclaimed with loud voices: 'Worthy is the Lamb who was slain, to receive power and wealth, wisdom and might, honor and glory and praise!'... I saw heaven wide open, and a white horse appeared; its rider's name was Faithful and True, for he is just in judgment and just in war.... [H]e was robed in a garment dyed in blood, and he was called the Word of God. The armies of heaven followed him.... Out of his mouth came a sharp sword to smite the nations; for it is he who will rule them with a rod of iron, and tread the winepress of the fierce wrath of God the sovereign Lord."
(Revelation 5:11-12 and 19:11, 13-15)

"Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace but a sword."
(Jesus according to Matthew 10:34, KJV)
"And whosoever lieth carnally with a woman, that is a bondmaid, betrothed to an husband, and not at all redeemed, nor freedom given her; she shall be scourged; they shall not be put to death, because she was not free. And he shall bring his trespass offering unto the LORD, unto the door of the tabernacle of the congregation, even a ram for a trespass offering. And the priest shall make an atonement for him with the ram of the trespass offering before the LORD for his sin which he hath done: and the sin which he hath done shall be forgiven him."
(Leviticus 19:20 - 19:22)

"And the daughter of any priest, if she profane herself by playing the whore, she profaneth her father: she shall be burnt with fire."
(Leviticus 21:9)


"Every one that is found shall be thrust through; and every one that is joined unto them shall fall by the sword. Their children also shall be dashed to pieces before their eyes; their houses shall be spoiled, and their wives ravished. [...] Their bows also shall dash the young men to pieces; and they shall have no pity on the fruit of the womb; their eyes shall not spare children."
(Isaiah 13:15-18)


"And Moses said, Thus saith the LORD, About midnight will I go out into the midst of Egypt: And all the firstborn in the land of Egypt shall die, from the firstborn of Pharaoh that sitteth upon his throne, even unto the firstborn of the maidservant that is behind the mill; and all the firstborn of beasts."
(Exodus 11:4-5)

P.K.O
09-01-2006, 08:14 AM
Being that most of these examples are written in past tense.
They dont have validity in your arguement.
If I write that Bin Laden said "all infidels must die "I am not promoting violence just stating was has been said.
Just as if I said "and hiltler declared all jews evil and killed thousands men women and children" I am jus recounting history.

keenly
09-01-2006, 09:02 AM
.ALL THESE PARAGRAPH PROMOTE VIOLENCE!!!!!!!



"Those who do not confess the Torah and the Prophets must all be killed.
(the Jewish Talmud, Schulchan Aruch: Choszen Hamiszpat, 425, 5/50)

"And slay them wherever ye find them,
(Qur'an/Koran, The Cow 2:191)
"Then, when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolaters wherever ye find them, and take them (captive), and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush.
(Qur'an/Koran, Repentance 9:5)



"Our men had captured the walls and towers of the city and wonderful sights could be seen. Some of the merciful crusaders cut off the heads of their enemies; judgment of God that this place should be filled with the blood of unbelievers ... This day will be famous in all future ages ... it marks the justification of all Christianity and the humiliation of paganism."

On 4 March 1519, Hernando Cortés and his army landed in Mexico with the intention of conquering the native Mexicans (Aztecs) for Spain. The Christian Spanish invaders murdered thousands of Aztecs who attempted to defend their country, raped the women, and plundered the country. The Christian Spaniards believed that their murderous invasion was supported by God.
[The Israelites] warred against the Midianites, as the LORD commanded Moses; and they slew all the males. [...] And the children of Israel took all the women of Midian captives, and their little ones, and took the spoil of all their cattle. Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves."
(Numbers 31:7-18, KJV) "O daughter of Babylon, who art to be destroyed; happy shall he be, that rewardeth thee as thou hast served us. Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones."(Psalms 137:8-9, KJV) "Every one that is found shall be thrust through; and every one that is joined unto them shall fall by the sword. Their children also shall be dashed to pieces before their eyes; their houses shall be spoiled, and their wives ravished. [...] Their bows also shall dash the young men to pieces; and they shall have no pity on the fruit of the womb; their eyes shall not spare children."(Isaiah 13:15-18) "And Moses said all the firstborn in the land of Egypt shall die. (Exodus 11:4-5) "If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple."(Jesus according to Luke, 14:26, KJV) "We beg Thee, 0 Lord, Let down Thy wrath on them and inflict them with Thy wrath. Drive them away in Thy wrath and crush them into pieces. Take away, 0 Lord, all bone from them. . Destroy in a moment all foes of Thy nation. Draw out with the root, disperse and ruin unworthy nations. Destroy them! Destroy them immediately, in this very moment!"(the Jewish Talmud, Pranajtis: Christianus in Talmuda e Judeorum, quotations from: Synagoga Judaica, p. 212. Minhagin, p. 23. Crach Chaim 480 Hagah) "Those who do not confess the Torah and the Prophets must all be killed. (the Jewish Talmud, Schulchan Aruch: Choszen Hamiszpat, 425, 5/50) "It is permitted to kill a Jewish denunciator everywhere.... it is permitted to kill him before he has denounced... though it is necessary to warn him and say, 'Do not denounce.' But should he say, 'I will denounce,' he must be killed, and he who accomplishes it first will have the greater merit."(the Jewish Talmud, Schulchan Aruch: Choszen Hamiszpat 388.) "A Gentile girl who is three years old can be violated."(the Jewish Talmud, Aboda Sarah 37a.) "And slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution is worse than slaughter. And fight not with them at the Inviolable Place of Worship until they first attack you there, but if they attack you (there) then slay them. Such is the reward of disbelievers." (Qur'an/Koran, The Cow 2:191) "Then, when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolaters wherever ye find them, and take them (captive), and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush. (Qur'an/Koran, Repentance 9:5) "Now when ye meet in battle those who disbelieve, then it is smiting of the necks until, when ye have routed them, then making fast of bonds; and afterward either grace or ransom till the war lay down its burdens. (Qur'an/Koran, Muhammad 47:4) "When thy Lord inspired the angels, (saying): I am with you. So make those who believe stand firm. I will throw fear into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Then smite the necks and smite of them each finger." (Qur'an/Koran, Spoils of War 8:12)
"If you will not fight this righteous war, then you will fail in your duty, lose your reputation, and incur sin. (2.33) People will talk about your disgrace forever. To the honored, disgrace is worse than death. (2.34) You will go to heaven if killed in the line of duty, or you will enjoy kingdom on earth if victorious (2.37)

"We beg Thee, 0 Lord, indict Drive them away in Thy wrath and crush them into pieces. Take away, 0 Lord, all bone from them. In a moment indict all disbelievers. Destroy in a moment all foes of Thy nation. Draw out with the root, disperse and ruin unworthy nations. Destroy them immediately,

Bone24
09-01-2006, 09:46 AM
^^^

Have you ever heard of the 10 Commandments you idiot.

THOUGH SHALL NOT KILL

That proves that God does not promote violence. Looks like you found all those quotes for nothing. You're a waste of time.

keenly
09-01-2006, 12:05 PM
^^^

Have you ever heard of the 10 Commandments you idiot.

THOUGH SHALL NOT KILL

That proves that God does not promote violence. Looks like you found all those quotes for nothing. You're a waste of time.

'GOD' is a hypocritical, cock sucking cunt!

All religion is full of contradiction and hypocrisy.

You dumb, ingnorant, religious nutcase! I burn down churches on a regular; done three this year already.

I wipe my arse with bible paper and i stuck the spear in that cunt 'jesus'!

P.K.O
09-01-2006, 04:21 PM
I think you jus proved who tha nutcase is!!!

Bone24
09-01-2006, 08:57 PM
'GOD' is a hypocritical, cock sucking cunt!

All religion is full of contradiction and hypocrisy.

You dumb, ingnorant, religious nutcase! I burn down churches on a regular; done three this year already.

I wipe my arse with bible paper and i stuck the spear in that cunt 'jesus'!


All those quotes you posted are not from the Bible that Catholics use. The Catholic religion has the most followers of any religion, and it was started by Jesus Christ himself.

You're quoting stuff from religions that worship cows. Yeah, there are religions that involve sacraficing humans and worshiping animals, but not in the Catholic religion.

fOrMuLa
09-04-2006, 03:16 AM
Why?

I would of said the same shit five years ago. In fact i did to a couple of people at my school. I was clowning them for listening to manson; 'why are you listening to that fucking freak'?

Now i have huge respect for him for having the balls to say 'i want to end chritianity'!

Religion is dictating the world and creating chaos, prejudice and hatred.

Million AND MILLIONS of people have been slaughtered because of relion; all through history around the world and it still happens today!

FUCK CHRIST, ALLAH, MUHAMMED AND ALL THE OTHER FICTIONAL CHARACTERS people kill for!

AMEN..........(RA)

Bone24
09-04-2006, 06:21 PM
Jesus Christ is not a fictional character. He is in the history books and is scientifically proven that He existed.

bogart
09-04-2006, 07:16 PM
Shit, I'm a bit anti-Christian, mainly because of how misguided the followers all. JMT > Christianity

keenly
09-05-2006, 07:10 AM
Jesus Christ is not a fictional character. He is in the history books and is scientifically proven that He existed.

:confused: :confused: I hope your being sarcastic... for your own sake.

Ever heard of dogma; DON'T BELIEVE THE HYPE!

Sp3aker
09-05-2006, 05:30 PM
fuck all the hating on christianity man, yeh you get some misguided fools, but look how much good it has done. how many hospitals started as churches, and if your fucked you can go to a religious person for help. i'm personally not religious at all, but i think there is problems with all religions islam, christianity hinduism etc but i think th epros outweigh the cons

.meZ
09-05-2006, 05:43 PM
:confused: :confused: I hope your being sarcastic... for your own sake.

Ever heard of dogma; DON'T BELIEVE THE HYPE!


you are so misguided and stupid its unbelievable

Crazy Dane
09-05-2006, 07:14 PM
hell with jedi mind trick...

overSkill
09-06-2006, 01:38 AM
hell with jedi mind trick...

?????
ur a dumbass

Class!c
09-06-2006, 01:43 AM
yeh informative stuff

Crazy Dane
09-06-2006, 11:21 AM
?????
ur a dumbass

I know you are

overSkill
09-07-2006, 03:08 AM
lol good one what are u 8
dumb fag

Crazy Dane
09-07-2006, 10:19 AM
^^ haha if you didn't saw it, I was actually making fun of your reply, by reply to you on your own low level.... dumbass :)

YeshuaBenJoseph
09-07-2006, 10:57 AM
"i'm with allah, cos he chose me
to break into the vatican, and strangle the pope with his rosary"

thats why i love jedi mind tricks

bigdcstile
09-07-2006, 11:36 AM
Man. I just love how the conversation goes from Jedi Mind Tricks to Religion bashing.

Crazy Dane
09-07-2006, 01:37 PM
"i'm with allah, cos he chose me
to break into the vatican, and strangle the pope with his rosary"

thats why i love jedi mind tricks


So what your saying, is actually that your a racist ?

SomethingAwfl
09-07-2006, 02:35 PM
I listen to JMT b/c they make good music, I could give a shit less if he's against Christianity or for it.

Crazy Dane
09-07-2006, 03:01 PM
^^ okay cool boii

YeshuaBenJoseph
09-10-2006, 11:13 PM
So what your saying, is actually that your a racist ?

i didn't say i advocate what they say, but what does it have to do with racism? race and religion are different.

P.K.O
09-11-2006, 04:34 AM
Nothing against you but why do you use jesus name?

Crazy Dane
09-11-2006, 09:58 AM
i didn't say i advocate what they say, but what does it have to do with racism? race and religion are different.

No your actually wrong... first I though racism and religiong couldn't be connected but i was wrong.... It's racism when you insult someone because of his religion.

YeshuaBenJoseph
09-11-2006, 08:19 PM
no it isn't.
The Encyclopedia of Religion describes religion in the following way:
"In summary, it may be said that almost every known culture involves the religious in the above sense of a depth dimension in cultural experiences at all levels — a push, whether ill-defined or conscious, toward some sort of ultimacy and transcendence that will provide norms and power for the rest of life. When more or less distinct patterns of behaviour are built around this depth dimension in a culture, this structure constitutes religion in its historically recognizable form. Religion is the organization of life around the depth dimensions of experience — varied in form, completeness, and clarity in accordance with the environing culture."
(Winston King, Encyclopedia of Religion, p 7693)

"The term race distinguishes one population of humans (or non-humans) from another. Many regard race as a social construct. The most widely used human racial categories are based on visible traits (especially skin color and facial features), genes, and self-identification. Conceptions of race, as well as specific racial groupings, vary by culture and over time and are often controversial, for scientific reasons as well as their impact on social identity and identity politics.
Since the 1940s, evolutionary scientists have rejected the view of race according to which any number of finite lists of essential characteristics could be used to determine a like number of races. For example, the convention of categorizing the human population based on human skin colors was used, but hair colors, eye colors, nose sizes, lip sizes, and heights were not. Many evolutionary and social scientists think common race definitions, or any race definitions pertaining to humans, lack taxonomic rigour and validity. They argue that race definitions are imprecise, arbitrary, derived from custom, have many exceptions, have many gradations, and that the amounts of races observed vary according to the culture examined. They further maintain that "race" as such is best understood as a social construct, and conceptualize and analyze human genotypic and phenotypic variation in terms of populations and clines instead. Some scientists, however, have argued that this position is motivated more by political than scientific reasons. Some others also argue that categories of self-identified race/ethnicity or biogeographic ancestry are both valid and useful, that these categories correspond with clusters inferred from multilocus genetic data, and that this correspondence implies that genetic factors might contribute to unexplained phenotypic variation between groups."

big difference. religion is subjective, it is something you choose. race isn't. dickhead.

Crazy Dane
09-12-2006, 11:15 AM
^^

http://news.bbc.co.uk/cbbcnews/hi/find_out/guides/uk/racism/newsid_1703000/1703905.stm

What kinds of racism are there?
Racism is not just a black and white thing. Many children are picked on because they look different, speak a different language or have different religious beliefs.

Some people have to wear certain styles of clothing because of their religion and very often get bullied because of this. Racism includes picking on people who are from a different country too. Many refugee children whose families might have escaped war in their own country are bullied in Britain.


What is racism?
Racism is when someone thinks different skin colour or religious beliefs make some people better than others.


Dumbass we didn't talk about "RACE" or "RELIGION" we talked about "RACISM" fucking retard, learn how to read before you talk shitty...

DICKHEAD !!!

YeshuaBenJoseph
09-12-2006, 12:21 PM
Dumbass we didn't talk about "RACE" or "RELIGION" we talked about "RACISM" fucking retard, learn how to read before you talk shitty...

obviously race is the central point to an argument about racism, and i definately don't have time to argue with you. i will simply reiterate my point because clearly you didn't understand the first time.
race and religion are very seperate things.
you cannot choose your race. it is something you are born with. obviously it is a social construct, but it is also impossible to neglect the fact that different people from different parts of the world have very different genealogical traits. people from west africa are different to people from east asia. they have different facial structure, colour skin, type of hair, body type etc. this is how we determine race. like sexuality or gender it is not something that you can choose.
you can choose your religion. again, religion is a social construct but it is something that someone can either accept or deny. you can believe in the word of the bible and follow these rules. it is your choice, and if i disagree with it, i have every right to say so. it is like politics. if you believe all immigrants should be expelled from denmark, i'll say fuck you, you are wrong. because i disagree with your belief.
and don't talk down to me. don't tell me to learn how to read, or tell me i talk shitty. i have a far greater grasp of the english language than you. dickhead.

Crazy Dane
09-12-2006, 02:14 PM
obviously race is the central point to an argument about racism, and i definately don't have time to argue with you. i will simply reiterate my point because clearly you didn't understand the first time.
race and religion are very seperate things.
you cannot choose your race. it is something you are born with. obviously it is a social construct, but it is also impossible to neglect the fact that different people from different parts of the world have very different genealogical traits. people from west africa are different to people from east asia. they have different facial structure, colour skin, type of hair, body type etc. this is how we determine race. like sexuality or gender it is not something that you can choose.
you can choose your religion. again, religion is a social construct but it is something that someone can either accept or deny. you can believe in the word of the bible and follow these rules. it is your choice, and if i disagree with it, i have every right to say so. it is like politics. if you believe all immigrants should be expelled from denmark, i'll say fuck you, you are wrong. because i disagree with your belief.
and don't talk down to me. don't tell me to learn how to read, or tell me i talk shitty. i have a far greater grasp of the english language than you. dickhead.

Oh my god this is going to be fun, It is much more easy to contradict you that I first though.

well FIRST tell me, what do my english language have to do with our discussion ? My main laguage is not english, so why do you try to take me down with that ? Or maybe did you think that people in Denmark talked english ? well it's possible, but I dont think your so stupid...yet.

Okay to finish this.... WE DID NOT TALK ABOUT THE DIFFERENT BETWEEN RACE AND RELIGION.
we talked about, if it was racism to insult someone because of his religion... and I prooved that, and you did not so please step out of my way, cous your apparently to stupid to read a simple text.