Cite 5 things that you most like him for.................or dislike

i go first

good flow, he has gone against White America and the full-of-love all-good middle class american family, he extended the thematology of rap songs. smartness and well-aimed irony




Too much self-dedicating songs about how he maked it and bla,bla.....his little girl..bitch mum...



no seriously good beef with anyone by now, coward under the belt hits for generating hype.

i love everythin bout eminem i like his flow, his looks, i like the way he puts things into perspective, i dont like kim shes a bitch, and i dont like his mother

i like everything bout him good flow, great looks, he's a decent person, puts things 2geva well, is great to his fans =)

(both, good and bad)he's got good flow but he isnt aggresive enough.
(bad) he hasnt done a good dissin track in ages, his stuff gets repetitive bout his family.
(good) He represents all that white rappers believe in.

what i like most about him:
Not afraid to say what other rappas (espically niggas) won't say

such as?

ah, thats a hard question.....um he's jus more contreversial than any other rapper. becoz he's white, he exploits that and uses it to diss other rappers.
there are no particular examples of wat he does that others are too scared of, it's jus tha general way he is.

His whole rappin ability is unbelievable - flow, lyrics, metaphors, etc. Hes shapin up to be a nice producer (Xzibit My Name, Nas The Cross, JayZ/Royce5'9 Renegades). And hes not afraid to do shit that alot of other rappers would never do - break character and tell everyone about himself. With the exception of the three corny singles, he doesnt care "what sells" as much as other artist especially wit his music but image-wise too. I mean, I mostly dont give a shit about an artist 'image' but his is unique. Your supposed to be all cool if your a rapper but instead he goes in a video in a Robin suit wit his balls bulgin out. Theres not much I dont like about him. He should fix up D12 a little bit (ie. drop Bizarre completely, and keep Denuan behind the boards). And he should make better decisions like squashin beefs with Royce 5'9 rather than Nelly. The only other aspect of him that I dont like, is that really large portion of his fanbase. You know, the ones who spend their lives with the complete and insane devotion to the idolization of a celebrity. One half of this portion is teenage girls who like to not think of themselves as Nsync fans but really go home and cry over Eminems "touching" songs. The other half is rich teenage suburban white boys who with their distorted views of reality actually think they live in the ghetto.
Another part of his fanbase Im becoming to dislike is the members of rapworlds (more specifically the Eminem section) , who wont discuss the Royce 5'9 / D12 beef on my post. <just playin on that but cmon!!...

you mean that because of being white and a broader spectrum of people can identify with him he has said things that should have been said prior to his arrival by others rappers?

i agree with you, but no i don't think he represents white rappers as a wholle nor that he cared a lot of for their right to rap , i think he turned his color and boyishness from disadvantage to advantage for his self-defence.
and he emphasized his struggles with not-believing bitches and exec. so that people could overlook his color and absence of political connection with black hip hop.

^^you both got it in one.....just glad i didnt have to type all that up!

Notice, I didnt mention his skin color as a reason I like/dislike him because to me it has nothing to do with that. Its not a factor at all to me - and the way I see things, it doesnt and shouldnt matter. I dont see skin color as a factor when it comes to "relating" to an artist either, cuz of the fact that Ive been able to relate more to black artists and also more times than I have to Em and Im white. I dont see how anyone is immune from a problem or expierience in life just because of their race (except when the problem is race or has to do with race).
The only times I did mention race was when I generally described the largest portion of his fan base. And also when I breifly touched on how other rap artist gots their hands tied when it comes to creative control. And if yall might of misunderstood me I meant that the majority of people that I come across on the net, come across in life, see on tv, hear screaming on the radio, etc , and seem to fit the description that I gave when it comes to Eminem fans.

Why then you mention that rich teenager WHITE ( DO BLACk HAVE MORE TOUCH WITH GHETTO REALITIES?) suburban boys have distorted views of reality that they actually think that they live in a ghetto?

who said that this is the reason they listen to Eminem? How could they have undistorted views of this reality, it's not theirs..

.And the problem with race is that it is not clear-cut, nobody has problems with race per se.but with how its difficult-to-define indirect effects form their experiences.

race on its
own ain't no problem, the problem is the problems that happen to you because of belonging to a race and which are usually unrealized unless you are in this race. Maybe you didn't connected with em because of his color but how do you explain his cross-over success?

from what i know Beastie Boys and Em are the most cross-selling rappers and are the less-ghetto story-tellers.

if the reason suburban kids are attracted to rap was them being ghetto for a while then others more hard-core black rappers would be equally or more money-getters as the formers, but aren't.

^^ The thing that your wrong about is that black rappers dont just talk about ghetto realities and Em, the Beastie Boys, and other white rappers dont just talk about suburban realities. What Im sayin is that the things that white rappers and black rappers talk about arent any different. And I dont see how alot of black artist tell "ghetto stories". The Beastie Boys make a song about partying ("Fight For Your Right [to party]")- so have WC, Mobb Deep , and Dr. Dre ("Bang Loose", "Double Shots", "Lets Get High" respectively). Eminem touches on his father leaving him in his early child hood ("Cleanin Out My Closet") - so have 50 Cent, 2Pac, and Xzibit ("Problem Child", "Papaz Song", "Carry The Weight"). Kurupt and Royce 5'9 have made tracks about friends turnin their backs on them and movin forward in their lives (I Didnt Change, Malcolm X). And I dont see suburban people relating more to Eminem because he discusses "suburban realities" - because he doesnt. He didnt grow up in the suburbs. I dont see poor white neighborhoods, 7 Mile, and trailer park communities as the suburbs.

So what is the reason that white artists who participate in a culturally AfroAmerican originated musical genre seem become more successful than black artist (ie. Elvis-rock, Eric Clapton-blues, Eminem-rap). Is it cuz theyre better at what they do than their black counterparts? Thats obviously not true since Eminem is often thought to rival JayZ and Nas, but for some reason they dont sell as much records? No, the reason is deeply rooted in the slight prejudices retained from economic segregation of whites and blacks caused by 300 years of racial domination factored in wit a majority white population. Okay fuck the bullshit - he sells more records cuz hes white!!! Its that simple.

Oh and just forget what I said about the fanbase cuz it might not be the same way in the UK or somethin related to that - but here in the States (some of you will know what Im talkin about) its widely becoming "cool" among some retarded members of the white youth of America to pretend that theyre gangstas and talk in African American accents even when 99% of the time they are rich or middleclass and/or have had no contact with a greater number than 4 black people in their entire lifetimes - lol, we in America affectionately have come to know them as "wiggers" or "wegros"(<<my brother made up that one, lol). Anyway not Eminems fault but it just so happens that they all love Eminem.

ok redscare i agree wiv u,black rappers and white rappers dont rap about different things.
also tupac and xzibit hav both tlked about their families so wot is the fuckin problem wiv em tlkin bout his???
eminem has not sold more records because hes white,its cos his music is alot more original,he has betta flow,his lyrics r above any1 elses etc basically he is a betta rapper overall thats y hes sold more records.
as redscare sed eminem DID NOT cum from the fuckin suburbs!!!he had a hard life and went through a lot of shit,he lived in the poor parts of detroit.

oh and back 2 the main question...i like everythin about eminem.
his flow,his lyrics,his personality,his looks,his opinions,his originality,his overall sound,his beats,the way that he doesnt take anythin 4granted and that he hasnt let money or fame go to his head.
i cud go on allday so ill stop now.

Im a huge Eminem fan. And im also a huge fan of more than 30 other rappers. And I can tell you right now, Eminem's music isnt lightyears ahead of everyone elses like some obsessive fans would like to think. Someone said hes said things that no other rappers have said before. What would that be, because I guarantee I can tell you someone whos done it before. So what Im sayin is his music isnt lightyears ahead of his rivals, yet his album sales seem to be lightyears ahead of everyone elses. He sells more cuz hes a white in a nation wit a majority white population. Theres a flaw in alot of people in America of all colors. Prejudice. Why do you think on this very post someone automatically assumed Eminem grew up in the suburbs obviously not knowing anything about his past? Prejudice. This someone made a pre-judgement that because Eminem is white that he must have grown up in the suburbs. What do you think Eminem was talkin about in White America? Prejudice. Its a shame, but even Eminem himself admits most of his fans dont favor him for his skills or his topic matter (because other rappers have identical topic matter and rival his skills). They favor him because of his skin color.

how can you people even be bothered to read all that!!

look redscare eminem is has dun many things that r original so i dotn no wot ur tlkin about and he is lightyears ahead of everyone else!i agree wiv u about the predjudice tho,but eminem doesnt just sell more records cos hes white!ok mayb that has sumin 2 do wiv it but that was more at the beggining of his career,now its not about that!

Okay, you say Eminems so much more advanced than any other hiphop artist. All thats nothin but talk - Im just sayin if you think you right than back your shit up. Give me reasons. I dont know, compare his tracks wit tracks from who you think is the next best artist to show me up. Whatever. And just tell me a few things that hes done that no one else in hiphop does. And ill prove any of yall wrong the whole time, cuz Im right.

ok eminem has dun a movie where he is the main character,its auto-biographical.no1 else has dun that.
He meantions polotics all the time,he made a song about an obsessive fan (stan) and the whole song was through letters.
who else has dun that and i no cannibus did a diss track "u didnt care" about stan but he didnt think it up did he?eminem is original and always has sumin no 1's sed b4.
u aint right u wrong!!it aint all talk!

ovbiously hes inspired by artsits but the way he does things is unique!

THERE IS NOTHIN I DON'T LIKE ABOUT EMINEM.
I LIKE EVERYTHING ABOUT HIM,FROM HIS HEAD DOWN TO HIS FEET,AND MUSIC:) HE'S THE MAN

ok eminem has dun a movie where he is the main character,its auto-biographical.no1 else has dun that.
He meantions polotics all the time,he made a song about an obsessive fan (stan) and the whole song was through letters.
who else has dun that and i no cannibus did a diss track "u didnt care" about stan but he didnt think it up did he?eminem is original and always has sumin no 1's sed b4.
u aint right u wrong!!it aint all talk!

First off, a movie has absolutely nothing to do wit his music and a rapper doin a movie isnt that new. Star roleing isnt that special anyway (Ice T, "Surviving The Game", Cube Friday Series, Snoop "Bones"). Mentioning political issues is nothing new and nothin unique either - NWA, Public Enemy, Ice Cube, Nas, 2Pac, Talib Kweli... The only valid point you made was 'Stan' which was an innovative concept. But thats only one song girl. But you didnt completely answer my question. Explain to me how Eminems musics so much more "advanced" than every one elses? Cuz even as a fan of his, I still dont see it.

Firstly go back and reread what i wrote.

i never wrote that Em writes or comes from suburbs. what i said is that if suburban white males listened to rap because they fantasized or liked themselves feeling a little ghetto as you like to explain the whigger phenomenon in USA then other more ghetto-spoken rappers would be equally or even more popular or sellable to suburbs.

That because Em is the least or one of the least ghetto-speaking rappers. My name is, real slim shady, cleaning out my closet , sup[erman, without me. None of his most popular singles which broadened his popularity have nothing to do with ghetto-inviting identifications . In fact the no2 most record-selling rapper for this year was Nelly a rapper with no reference whatsoever to ghetto-life, mostly a party joining person.

Another thing, two rappers rapping for the same issue doesn't make the reception of the two songs the same, Doesn't strike you that very few people know the songs of the former black rappers which are about their dramas samely to Em's?

Doesn't strike you that black rappers are never covered on articles as life-struggling persons as Eminem? Isn't it possible that white kids prefer listening to a white teen-looking man over-coming the obstacles of his life ( bitch,poverty,more bitches) because of self-belief and proving the power of the american dream to listening about racism and their own people-categorizations?

so wot if it doesnt hav anythin 2 do wiv music.hes the 1st rapper to hav a main role and the 1st rapper 2 hav a film that is semi-autobiographical.
he is way more advanced in every way-
his lyrics(the way he tells stories,wot they're about,original etc), like a lot of other rappers(not all of them of corse)he doesnt tlk about sex,women,cars all the time,how clever he is compared 2 ova rappers (genius),his flow(the way he delivers everythin,his impressions etc),the way he goes into depth about things in his raps,his energy in raps and wen he operforms etc,i cud go on...

see im rite "stan" is original!its not the only song!wot bout "guilty conscience"??who else has dun sumin like that?

Also it would be impossible not to know about his life in a trailer because of his all-the-time self-based songs plus his self-based movie.....i didn't say that black rappers tell only ghettto-stories especially thel mtv-bred but you know imagine Em on the song of dead prez about their school teachers,( don't remember the title.) , get my picture?

And others rappers as you prementioned wrote one-two songs for their families difficulties don't write songs for what;s happening in their lives at any moment of it like a semi-real rap-report, man!!!!!! For the only thing he hasn't written yet is how Kim cleans his toilet and doing a video on it

ritax if ur sayin that white ppl only listenin 2 ova white ppl cos they look the same i think ur wrong.lots of white ppl listen 2 black music,like me. mayb sum r like that,im not sure but i dont think ur rite.black rappers r mentioned in magazines its just eminem is the biggest rapper and he has had a very interestin life(well pretty bad actually) so ppl rote about it.
not everythin has 2 b ghetto,but i think he does tlk ghetto just not all the time.he rites bout alot of different stuff.

dont diss eminem!!!he rapa bout his life because his music is liek his shrink,hes sed himself.it helps him through life.
nelly tlks like hes the guy who writes the playboy magazine 4 christ sake!!!all he ever fuckin tlks about is hoes and sex!!!
the only women in the world he hasnt had in his videos r fat or ugly!!!

I AGREE SHADY EMINEM SINGS ABOUT HIS LIFE AND THAT'S KOOL. HE ALSO BELIEVES IN KEEPIN IT REAL AND THAT'S SWEET. :)

yep,thanku!!

ur welcome :)

Okay, maybe I came a little too strong tryin to advocate my point cuz like I said before, cuz he is the shit. But what I was tryin to get across was that hes bigger cuz hes white. Ill give yall the perfect example - Bubba Sparx. Im not knockin him, but he puts out 'Ugly' while ago and its all over Trl/Mtv. How can a white suburban person relate to Bubba Sparx? By Ritax standard, they cant except for color - and Im just sayin I think this applies to Eminem. Im not sayin its not a problem with either artist, its a problem with the world.

ONE PERFECT WAY TO TEST HOW RACE AND STEREOTYPICAL PERCEPTIONS OF RACES INFLUENCE ON A RAP ARTIST IS TO THINK HOW YOU WOULD PERCEIVE HIS SONG AND SELF-PROMOTION WERE HE OF ANOTHER COLOR.

BUBBA IN MY PERSONAL OPINION ? AN EXPERIMENT OF THE MUSIC BIZ TO REPLACE EMINEM OR TO CHECK IF OTHER WHITE RAPPERS WOULD BE AS MONEY-BRINGERS AS EM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! BUBBA COULD NEVER LIFT HIMSELF UP TO BE MORE THAN A FARM FATMAN RIDICULING HIMSELF AS SEXIST....DID WHITE SUBURBANS IDENTIFIED WITH HIM JUST BECAUSE OF HIS COLOR? OF COURSE NOT . NOR WAS HE SKILLFUL ENOUGH TO GET THIS ATTENTION, HE WAS JUST AN EXPERIMENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! IN HOPE THAT WHITE TEENS ( CAUSE BLACKS HAVE MANY EXAMPLES OF FAT-MEN SURROUNDED BY BURNING-WOMEN) WOULD FIND SOME CASH AND LISTENING SYMPATHY FOR THIS SELF-AWARE UGLY-BUT-TRYING RAPPER. WOULD HE BE EQUALLY SUCCESSFUL BEING BLACK SINGING THE SAME SONG, WHAT DO YOU THINK?

he wud b equally sucessful,hes pretty crap and every1 nos it.u mite b rite about ppl testin him cos hes white but it doesnt matter.if u got talent,uve got it and thats it.thats wot really makes ppl buy records and listen 2 them.

*notices theres 2 em gurls*


*gets a camera hopin there'll be a mud wrestleova who is the best em gurl*

lol hee hee blackwid0w
im up 4 it cos im the best 1 fo sheezy!!!

Alright Im done wit this post. Ritax is cool but the rest of yall is groupies. I dont call this a discussion: "Eminem is the best!!! He was in a movie!!!" or "Eminem is so sweet!!!!:D You all can take out your Justin timberlake posters from the bottoms of ya closets and go back to the britny spears forums. No 12 year olds allowed.

*runs away*

*realizes he aint 12 and isnt the groupie he was talkin bout*

i like 2 pac da best

oh my god, this thread is sooooooo long...*yawn*

i am not a groupie ok and im not 12.i wasnt just sayin that if u read it.i was havin a proper dicussion so i dont no wot u tlkin about.

he speaks his mind an most doesnt care wat ppl say about him

thats v. tru

lolz i like everythink bout eminem....his lookz, thje way he rapz, his attitude...lolz....everythink!

slim shady thatz my baby!!!! :P

^^word