Who do you think can challenge Nas lyrically. Who would Nas have to worry about lyrically?? Give reasons.





I think if Pac was here, he could, but no one comes in mind, except Jay if he concentrates on it. that BluePrint 2 diss was horrible with a nice beat. 50 Cent maybe can hit a few lines, but he has no special asset in his game. Like Nas, he can tell a story in reveres, be a machine gun, you name it.

NaS is truly the king

the only people who are as good as Nas lyrically are Pac, Royce, Eminem and Canibus.

2pac would kill nas lyrically, but sence he isnt here I think nas is the freestlyle king... But eminem is very good 2 so he would had 2 worry with him.
50 and Jay-Z? C'Mon Ill Nas would kill 'em with 4 or 6 lines...

Originally posted by MC Illest
that BluePrint 2 diss was horrible with a nice beat.Nah, that was ill. "Your lil homie Jungle is a garden to me..."
lol @ people thinking Tupac could diss someone. He could be aggressive and threaten to kill them very convincingly, but he didn't bring facts too often, ya?

eminem

In a battle... most any renowned battler could serve him, but just as far as who I think is a better lyricist?

Well, Nas is one of the top three ever for pure lyrics IMO, but I think Ras Kass, when he wants to be, is lyrically above the entire game...

NAS IS DEFINETLY THE KING>> kills anyother..

peace

But just not Eminem!

Originally posted by Tupac
nas is the freestlyle king...he

get off his dick

he can write a song good

but there are people who can freestyle better than him

Chino XL
Eyedea
Copywrite
Slug
Crooked I


and there is no possible way eminem could challenge nas lyrically to the sack of ignorance that said that...eminem barely ever makes a song with meaningful lyrics...he mostly just has multis all over the place(which are nice but thats not what we're talkin bout)

o and by the way all you are retarded


you have completely forgotten(or havent even heard of em...*shakes head*) people

mos def
and of course...................

talib kweli(just listen to his latest single "get by" and you'll see his is the man you're talkin bout in this thread)

oh yea...and...
listen to black haze
remind you of someone?

yea, some of Em songs are just nonsense

This is the thing:

NAS writes intellectual lyrics...listen to his shit, hear the vocab. A lot of rappers have difficulties battlin' because that's not their forte. I don't think it's a problem, per se, it's an inadequacy on part of the judges. If I have a punch that runs into intellectual shit or underground knowledge the judge knows nothing about, then how can I win a battle. Throwing inumerous punches which are non-sequiter wit the person you're battling is what most do. Nas don't do that. I think he would serve Eminem. On a lyrical level, no rapper can challenge him. Listen to lyrics playaz, not the bullshit filler most rappers battle wit.

And remember the once-upon-a-time Jay, who got discredited--and still hasn't bounced back--after Ether and the one man assault on the rap game.

nicely put

IMO i think canibus i above nas lyrically

oh yeah and i dont understand how some said 2 pac he not even near nas IMO

KRS-one

Nas is tops compared to all the other ALIVE lyricists. If you talking all time then its out of Nas, Big Pun, Biggie and Tupac

Originally posted by Tupac
nas is the freestlyle king...


*sighs* No he's not. LOL. He's farrrrrr from being the freestyle king. And Nas could not touch Jay-Z in a freestyle battle. You see it took Nas' life work to beat Jay-Z's freestyles. PLus Nas backed out of Jay-Z's Pay PerView Challenge because he knows Jay is the master of freestyles.

Fact: Jay-Z and Biggie never wrote a song in their life. All was in their head. They freestyle through everything, or memorize a few bars. Freestylers don't have rhyme books. Did you see Nas in the booth on Tha Bassment in 99? Pure garbage. He started off spitting some booty rhyme and then it turned into one of his songs from Nastradamus. I was rapping it wit him!

Nas is one of the greatest MC's of all time, no doubt. But don't make it more than what it is. Canibus is te sickest nigga out. Period. His lyrics are unbelievable. he's got niggas with deals biting his rhymes.

but, NaS is a better MC when it comes to sittin at the desk and writin a rhyme

Just like I'm a better emcee than these cunts who sit in here writing those blase cliches. TAKE THAT TO THE DOME. (LOL)

And Nas is the better lyricist in the rap-game now. Tupac didn't rhyme wit the same lyrical ability, he was just a tad bit catchier. And Jay-Z (for YWE) was never good enough to out-class Nas. If Jay-Z was to sit down and write a rhyme, it'll be more bullshit than how he's rhymin' now. Im watin for the BLACK ALBUM

Who ever says eminem could beat nas has lost it, Eminem talks the most crap in most of his songs.

noone can touch nas if anyone it'll be JADA
1

i would have to say Em, Royce, Krs-1(if something like that was to happen lol) Cormega could get at Nas cuz he knows Nas and can drop disses. Canibus can give Nas a run for his money.

talib kweli

Originally posted by Wiz
NaS is truly the king

your the smartest kid on this site lol

but seriously nas is the greatest lyricists off all time in my eyes

Tu-pac:was good he was prolly the realest rapper but not the best

Biggie:juss had flow

but i dont think pac could challenege him it would be close but i dont think he could challenege as u sauid in your first post juss my veiws nas is the best rapper of all time:D

NOONE

Originally posted by Wiz
Who do you think can challenge Nas lyrically. Who would Nas have to worry about lyrically?? Give reasons

in my opinion i dont think any body is on his level
to challange him
hes the best

^^wrong.....

Jay Z could challenge him and give him a run for his money, maybe even beat him if hes on top of his game...

Em would challenge but would loose out in the end....

Erm....Canibus.... hes ill and would beat Nas i think....

Some underground would challenge him and some might win and other might not....


so....i wouldnt say he is the best Free-styler around atm.....Canibus and Jay r for me at the moment....with Nas just behind them......

^^wrong
read all that shit you typed
over again and make corrections
cause none of them can challenge him
PERIOD

yea, trudat, NaS is plain ILL

Originally posted by THE TRUTH
This is the thing:

NAS writes intellectual lyrics...listen to his shit, hear the vocab. A lot of rappers have difficulties battlin' because that's not their forte. I don't think it's a problem, per se, it's an inadequacy on part of the judges. If I have a punch that runs into intellectual shit or underground knowledge the judge knows nothing about, then how can I win a battle. Throwing inumerous punches which are non-sequiter wit the person you're battling is what most do. Nas don't do that. I think he would serve Eminem. On a lyrical level, no rapper can challenge him. Listen to lyrics playaz, not the bullshit filler most rappers battle wit.

And remember the once-upon-a-time Jay, who got discredited--and still hasn't bounced back--after Ether and the one man assault on the rap game.
HIS vocab is truly amazing....^^

THE TRUTH says it all!!

hence tha name^

Canibus is the battling god

trust me no one can see him not even em

We're talking about lyrical ability right?!

^^yea....and i do think Nas is ill too.........



but u cant say hes the best, ppl can beat him....

i think Canibus can.......hes ill as fuck....

DAMMIT YALL ARE GETTIN IT WRONG!!!

OK THERE IS 2 DIFFERENT SIDES HERE
1. THE LYRICAL SIDE
2. THE FREESTYLE SIDE

NAS=LYRICAL

CANIBUS=FREESTYLE

NAS WOULD GET HIS ASS KICKED MY CANIBUS FREESTYLIN

CANIBUS WOULD GET HIS ASS KICKED BY NAS LYRICALY

GOT IT?

AHA^^ this guys got it!! 2 sides........word

Nas is a LYRICAL Genius.

Not Pac
Not Em
Not Jay
Not Canibus
Nor Biggy can match his talent.

As a Freestylist

Well, He Could Be Em.. But i agree the he could not beat Canibus.

I just wish Nas would shut Kay Slay tha fuck up, and the rest of his long growing list of enemies.

P.s R.O.Y.C.E
add the word "that" to the end of your quote to finish it..

AIght done bro...cheers

OH MY GOD...

Nas is the greatest lyricist to ever grasp a mic and spit, besides Rakim "The God MC". Creating songs with content, meaning and lyrical excellence, then Nas is in a class of his own only joined by Talib Kweli, Mos Def, Blackthought and Rakim, but he's the best at writing than all of them. Illmatic is the greatest Rap album of all time(Period) and one of the top 20 greatest albums EVER(Period). From It Was Written to Nastradamus he showed lyrical depravation in his songs but stormed back and since then he's been the greatest lyricist of all time(Not Greatest Rap Artist You have to be real B.I.G. to get that.).

Now...Battling...Nas is a good battler don't get me wrong, but sitting down and delievering punchlines in a song that'll get people going "OOOOH, AHHHH", Eminem would destroy Nas and Canibus in a battle. I'm not saying that without facts....look at "Get U Mad", hilarious punchlines for days...

Examples

"I'll battle people who ain't got shit to do with it, like Cool J does."

"I'm sick enough to beat u to death with a FEATHER PILLOW."

"Beat Cage with 'Agent Orange' and whipe my ass with his page in 'Source'."

That's just a few...and that's just one of his many dis songs. Canibus usally have some incredible disses but u have to have a dictionary sitting next to you to get most of them. And Nas doesn't really dis.

well if u sayin no emcee is on his level than ur wrong(everyone) cuz really to say that nas is way byond ne mc is just ignorance,cuz most of yall sayin nas would beet ne1,the question is who could give him a run for his money and all these mc's could(im not sayin will) give him a run or even beet him

canibus(good battler)
jay-z (he did giv him a run 4 his money alrdy)
em(good lyricist,impressive vocab n flo)
theres more,these are just the most known,(i aint countin the dead)

NO, the question was: WHO CAN CHALLENGE NAS "LYRICALLY". Not "who can give him a run for his money?". We're judging the emcees (all of them) on their lyrical ability--meaning what they say and how they say it, while maintaining a stylistic character about their work. Thus to answer the question as you ^ did, would be wrong.

challenge nas lyrically doesnt necessarily mean beat him,to challenge a person lyrical ability u just hav to be up to their level lyrically speaking,and those 3 are up to his level,win or lose they could challenge him lyrically

Challenge Nas lyrically...I think Canibus and Jay Z could...Canibus has the illest lyrics i think...

oh 4 fuck sake has every1 4gotten bout em?
em cud beat nas hands down,freestyle or in any other catorgory.nas is an ill rapper but not as ill and talented as eminem.

there is no possible way eminem could challenge nas lyrically to the sack of ignorance that said that...eminem barely ever makes a song with meaningful lyrics...he mostly just has multis all over the place(which are nice but thats not what we're talkin bout)

^^rong!!!most of his songs hav meaningfl lyrics so u r tlkin out of ur fat ass!!!!!u dont no wot ur tlkin about,ems a genius.

whoeva sed this i dont think listens closely enough 2 eminem:

there is no possible way eminem could challenge nas lyrically to the sack of ignorance that said that...eminem barely ever makes a song with meaningful lyrics...he mostly just has multis all over the place(which are nice but thats not what we're talkin bout)

Straight up,
Nas spits knowledge from tha mind, not tryna be no thug
Nas is da King!

Originally posted by GangstaChang
Challenge Nas lyrically...I think Canibus and Jay Z could...Canibus has the illest lyrics i think...

Canibus!!?? I heard Canibus in that song Jack the Ripper or Rip the Jacker, somethin like that, anywayz, it was straight wack!!

wack...rip the jacker had sweet lyrics...same with curriculum 101, genabis...and poet laurete

well, im not hatin, but i guess he sounded kinda weak and it wasn't my style

ill say it again,
eminem wud beat him hands down,hes the best rapper in everyway.

I like a couple of ems songs, but Point Blank, he just spits a couple of words and he has a verse. His lines are plain stupidity. He wouldn't beat nas for his life. he has no vocab, just basic vocab that he makes sound good.

IghzZ, Nas Iz a Heavi Emcee Lyrically Wise But Battlin Freestylin Dat Aint Nas's Caterogry Canibus Would Murk Naz N Em Lyrically Wise Dun Datz All I Gotta Say

Juss Listen 2 Canibus's Lyric'z Den Reply He'z Unbelievble TruzZ

wiz em has more vocab then any other rapper,if u cant see that u shud listen 2 ems lyrics AGAIN.they aint "plain stupidity" ther miles ahead of nas'. em wud murda cannibus,nas....any1 in a freestyle!

...hmm kweli

wiz em has more vocab then any other rapper,if u cant see that u shud listen 2 ems lyrics AGAIN.they aint "plain stupidity" ther miles ahead of nas'. em wud murda cannibus,nas....any1 in a freestyle!

Get off Em's Dick Already!

Em can Challenge Nas Lyrically, that is what the thread is about!

Em is not "miles" a head of nas!
you should try to listen to more then ONE Mc and realise that
there a a lot more better Mc's out there.

Em wouldn't murder Bus, bus is murdering him!

i agree with R.O.Y.C.E Kweli is da shit!

i listen 2 ova ppl 2 and i still fink em IS miles ahead...
i fink em hasnt replied cos he dotn wanna giv him the satisfaction of it,cannibus is just jealous and hes lookin 4 publicity.mayb em will reply but i aint sure,em wud murda him!!!

Many, many emcees can challenge Nas lyrically in all aspects of his work.

Flow - Jay-Z
Storytelling - Slick Rick
Emotion - Tupac
Dedication - Tupac
Battling - Eminem, Jay-Z
Freestyling - Anybody who CAN freestyle - Nas can't
Intellect - Chuck D, Ras Kass, Talib Kweli
'Message' - Tupac
Hyping up a live crowd - Jay-Z, Nas can't rock a crowd for shit (yes, I have seen him live).

Originally posted by Wiz
I like a couple of ems songs, but Point Blank, he just spits a couple of words and he has a verse. His lines are plain stupidity. He wouldn't beat nas for his life. he has no vocab, just basic vocab that he makes sound good.

LOL, you are giving me jokes...

Eminem has basic vocab?

Check his song 'Infinite', then come back and say that...

I can think of very, very few songs where Nas surpasses Eminem's lyrical complexity OR vocabulary.

Originally posted by Wiz
Who do you think can challenge Nas lyrically. Who would Nas have to worry about lyrically?? Give reasons.





I think if Pac was here, he could, but no one comes in mind, except Jay if he concentrates on it. that BluePrint 2 diss was horrible with a nice beat. 50 Cent maybe can hit a few lines, but he has no special asset in his game. Like Nas, he can tell a story in reveres, be a machine gun, you name it.

I AGREE

yeah Nas is da best lyricist. i mean he can tell deep.

REAL DEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEP!

i think nas could produce the better lyrics in a battle with eminem but because of all the publicity surrounding eminem, the media would say that eminem beat nas if a battle went through

yea, trudat

CORMEGA...nas cant fuck with him
he tried to diss him on destroy and rebuild but he got fucked up. check out these tracks by cormega poetry, a slick response, fuck nas and nature, love in, love out

if u wanna see mega's lyrical skills, d/l the freestyle reppin

"Love In Love Out" which used the "juicy" beat by Biggie was bullshit

what more can nas do to prove he is twice the rapper Cormega is, i mean come on, nas has had at least one classic album which is one more than cormega, nas only needed one year to make it to the big time (after release of illmatic) and how many years has cormega been rapping and still not made it?

it would be good to see Nas beefin with Havoc of Mobb Deep!!!

yeah it would be good...

Yo Nas isn't a battler..so in a battle Em would beat him(Publicity Excluded) and Em is probably in the top 3 of the greatest Rap Battlers of all-time. Now lyrically, I'd say Eminem(Nas even said Em is one of the best rap artists) and Jay-Z but more Eminem, cause Jay-Z been falling off since Blueprint.

i know ur entitled to ur opinion

but

why do people say eminem is one of the best battlers of all time??

yes he destroyed Benzino but thats not exactly a great achievement

his reply to ja was pretty weak

and he aint beat Canibus either

so why is he one of the best battlers of all time???

yea, I don't think Eminem is considered one of the best rappers of all time. He just has a lot of fans, but if u listen to some of his songs, they are bull s**t. He has some hot songs, but lyrically Nas and Jay-Z are better than him.

Whoa..Em's battles didn't start with Benzino and Ja Rule..son been battling since back in the days.. listen to "Get U Mad" where he got in Cage's and Canibus' ass real hard. Also listen to "Quitter" and any true Hip-Hop fan knows those are 2 incredible dis tracks. Now Em didn't give his all in that Ja thing I admitt..but it doesn't take that much to kill JA RULE...just like Jay didn't really get at "Jaz-O" that hard. Nas never really battled, besides that battle with Jay where he beat him. Now lyrically I think Nas is lyrically marvelous but he isn't how he was 2 years ago with "Stillmatic". I would say "NOW" listening to songs like "Zone Out", "Heaven" and songs from Em like "We All Die 1 Day" "Hey Lady" I say Em and Nas are equal now.(Sits back and waits for the responses!)

but to me, Nas is much deeper... em is deep too though.

Originally posted by Jenius
LOL, you are giving me jokes...

Eminem has basic vocab?

Check his song 'Infinite', then come back and say that...

I can think of very, very few songs where Nas surpasses Eminem's lyrical complexity OR vocabulary.

i can think of quite a few

compare

Life's a Bitch to Without me

I Gave You Power to Just Dont Give A Fuck

Get Down to Business

Take It In Blood to Say Goodbye to Hollywood


the list goes on


Jenius....ur just a nas hater

it said in ur sig a while back

FUCK NAS

just accept that he has better lyrically than most of the rappers included in ur sig

Jay-Z is tha best...he's flexible wit his shit...he reaches all kinds of peeps....

Eminem...he's good and all...but I don't think he should be amongst the elite's..he needs more time in the game.

Nas...he's jus' been garbage recently, I think he jus' needs the money....

u crazy, u musta forgot about ether, anywayz nas'll murder jay-z and em if he had the time

Big L vs Nas
(r.i.p big l)
i would like to see that battle

"Theres one life/ one love/ so there can only be one king.."
Nobody fucks with NaS now, but maybe Pac or Big L if they were alive.

get off his dick

lol^...nice first post...

nas is good dont get me wrong, but he is nothing even close to the best freestyler...have you heard his freestlyes, they are gay..his songs are pretty tight and all,but has no fucking punches.....HOVA would murder nas in a freestlye battle...and he's not even the best freestlyer...em i think is the best freestlyer, if you dont beleive me listen to his shit on the basement and some underground shit on your computer. em is just plain killing nas in a freestlye battle.... nas aint got no punches or anything, em would just put his ass down WITH PERSONNALS ABOUT JAY-Z AND OTHER SHIT

Originally posted by to ill to speak
nas is good dont get me wrong, but he is nothing even close to the best freestyler...have you heard his freestlyes, they are gay..his songs are pretty tight and all,but has no fucking punches.....HOVA would murder nas in a freestlye battle...and he's not even the best freestlyer...em i think is the best freestlyer, if you dont beleive me listen to his shit on the basement and some underground shit on your computer. em is just plain killing nas in a freestlye battle.... nas aint got no punches or anything, em would just put his ass down WITH PERSONNALS ABOUT JAY-Z AND OTHER SHIT


yea, u right, Jay is a better freestyler, but Nas is a better lyricist...and that's wat matters more in my opinion, and Nas can drop a better battle verse if they was still battlin, but in a freestyle, yea, Jay prolly would win

Originally posted by R*O*Y*C*E
lol^...nice first post...

how the fuck was that a good post

it was a free-post which was not relevant to the subject topic which is who can challenge nas lyrically?

Chino XL

Both Nas and Eminem are tight.Nas is a much deeper rapper when it come to hood politics and such.You wanna talk about broken homes and a fucked up child hood,then Em's got it there.I guess it all depends on what type of lyrics move you most.This arguement can never be won.But I'd say...

Jada Kiss
talib Kweli
Cassidy (maybe)
Eminem
Krs one

I will'n to bet that the best rappers alive are the ones no bodys heard of yet.

Why is it so popular to call Nas the G.O.A.T? He's not. If all his albums were on the calibre of Illmatic, then I'd definitely consider him one of the best, even though I hardly think it was the best thing ever released. But to state the obvious, the only album that came close afterwards was Stillmatic. Nas as he is now (should be interesting to hear his new stuff this year, though), would lose to Bis, Rakim, Em, Kool G and Talib (to name a few) in battles.

Nas as he was, despite the fact I prefer his new style, would at least give ANYONE a run for their money.

Oh, and as for the side-debate; Em would obliterate Nas in a battle, but in terms of intellect, vocab and conceptuality (not ignoring Sing for the Moment, Rock Bottom, Never 2 Far, Stimulate, etc), Nas takes it.

Jada Kiss
Jay hood
Canibus

These cats good the punch linez on lock

Why is it so popular to call Nas the G.O.A.T?

It's just that,a popular opinion.Thats all any of this really is.There are no facts here,just opinions.No one can ever say who the best rapper truely is.Hell,it's hard to even pull together a realistic list of what factors make the best and the worst.It's a really hard topic to argue.


BTW:Nice name Appolyon.I was gunna use the same name,(Negation),but you had it 1st.Good shit.

big pun could beat nas.
also i think cuban link iz better than nas
i aint hatin

Talib Kweli could be up there wit him along wit Common, Blackthought...many of ppl out there...1

canibus
eminem
kweli
vinnie paz
chino xl



WHO EVRE PUT PAC IN THERE LIST SHOULD BE BANNED FROM THE SITE

pac is an emcce,but cant diss worth shit.......nas is on tha highest level for me, canibus,chino xl, and if big l was alive....mos def,chino,these sicc too.

I can name 15 cats

Jadakiss
Talib
Jay-Z
Cassidy
Eminem
Styles P
Rakim
Big L
Canibus
Big Pun
Ma$e
Lloyd Banks
Crooked I
Guru
Scarface

To Everyone-Stop naming other people that can challenge him lyrically and work on your own skill so you can put "your name "down!!!!!

I can name 15 cats

Jadakiss
Talib
Jay-Z
Cassidy
Eminem
Styles P
Rakim
Big L
Canibus
Big Pun
Ma$e
Lloyd Banks
Crooked I
Guru
Scarface

jadakiss-freestyle yes, lyrically no
talib-good challenge
jay-z good challenge but already lost to nas once
cassidy-freestyle yes, iono bout lyrically
eminem-freestyle he'll murder nas, lyrically iono
styles p-no chance in hell
rakim- good challenge
big l-iono bout him
canibus-good challenge
big pun-good challenge
mase-no chance in hell
lloyd banks- good challenge in a freestyle, lyrically no
crooked 1-iono
guru- iono
scarface- FUCK NO! SCARFACE IS WACK AND WILL NEVER BE AS GREAT AS NAS, HE AINT EVEN A CHALLENGE, HE LIKE A WARM UP TO NAS!!!

i like dat ass.

oh shit my bad. i thought i was on another site were it was showing a girls ass. oh shit. my bad. nas lyrically i dont think no one can touch him. my favorite song by him is one mic. listen to it. he starts off soft then he just starts yelling. and it comes from his heart.

I'll just put up my list of top 10:

1. Nas
2. Eminem
3. Canibus
4. GZA
5. Pharoah Monche
6. Kool G Rap
7. Talib Kweli
8. Common Sense
9. Notorious BIG
10. Redman

oh shit my bad. i thought i was on another site were it was showing a girls ass. oh shit. my bad. nas lyrically i dont think no one can touch him. my favorite song by him is one mic. listen to it. he starts off soft then he just starts yelling. and it comes from his heart.


yeah but if you wanna lyrically beat him it gotta come out from ya BRAIN
i bet many can shit on nas.

You can probably name a few rappers who can beat nas in a freestyle , but when it comes down to dropin an album, pen 'n pappa, Nas is just to damn creative. Thats why he's on the throne.

Myself i can't freestyle,( proly cause I've just started writin almost 2 'n half months), but with pen 'n pappa i can drop some game.

aight, i dont know what the rest of u all on, but i dont think nas is that good. sure he got tight vocab and speaks some true shit, but i can think of people that are better off the top of my head. fabolous, joe budden, jadakiss, ludacris, talib, proof from d12 and em, jay z, jae hood, just to name a few. in terms of wordplay and punches, fab and budden rip nas to shreds. nas is hot thought, dont get me wrong, but i would say he can't be challenged lyrically

Eminem would rip Nas any day. Before Em was an artist, all he did was battle rap. Jay-Z would rip Nas too because his flow alone is too much for Nas.

Go listen to Infinite and tell me Nas is too much for Em. I also agree with MC Shadow. I think people sterotype rap so much that hip hop fans want to go listen to somthing that is "Real" and everyone dubs Nas as the realest rapper.

A whole lot of artists have better lyrical skills than Nas. You dont need to have morals or complex metaphors to be a great rapper. Especially when it comes to battle rap.

nah, son............Nas killed Jigga wit Ether and he definitely won the battle.........Jigga and Nas were the two best MC's out at one point, and u could throw Em in the mix, but personally, Em to me is overrated, the kid is sick, but people make it like he's untouchable...........Em could prolly rip Nas, but lyrically, i think if they sat down and wrote a diss and not freestyle, Nas would come out deeper and stronger................

Jigga threw some nice disses, but Nas mos def ended the beef wit Ether, Jigga never threw anything out that touched Ether

honorable mentions are Jadakiss..............the kid is nice, the things he speak, he just doesn't get his respect in the game, he gets it in the streets, but not so much in the rap industry itself......

Man, Ether had some bad lyrics and was just some elementary song. You see how bad Nas is when he doesnt use his rap book. I dont know about winning the battle with that one..

Man, Ether had some bad lyrics and was just some elementary song. You see how bad Nas is when he doesnt use his rap book. I dont know about winning the battle with that one..

He was dissing Jay-Z man, not Common Sense, not Black Thought, not Canibus. You don't need deep rhymes to diss someone who's entire repertoire is full of nursery type rhymes. Plus - in order for the Jay-Z listeners to understand it, Nas could not deliver the complex shit he usually spits or their dumbasses would of been lost. Matter of fact, Nas is lucky it was Jay-Z that dissed him cause had an Eminem, a Rakim, a Kool G, a Chino XL come at him Nas' career would of DEFINITELY been over. Jay-Z was the perfect adversary - a dude with nursery type rhymes that has no street credit and that can't battle worth a shit. Easy victory for a nice comeback.

Peace

So, you're saying in Nas' defense for those bad rhymes that Jay-Z is weak? You tell me what so kiddie about Jay's rhymes that would make you say that.

Well, you can say Nas did this or Jay did that, but the beef was another one of Jay's attempts to sell records. Start somthin with one of the most highly repsected artists sounds like a perfect way to sell records.

So, you're saying in Nas' defense for those bad rhymes that Jay-Z is weak? You tell me what so kiddie about Jay's rhymes that would make you say that.

The weren't bad rhymes, they were simple rhymes, yet they got the job done so they were also effective.

My bad I misread you.

nah, they definitely weren't bad rhymes, the diss was just FIRE...........

Ludicris06 is a weirdo.. another Eminem zombie rooting for "The Great White Hope" who doesn't understand real lyrics worth a damn... Nas Is number four of all time..

1. 2pac (I love this nigga so much)
2. Big L
3. Biggie
4. Nas
5. Canibus (I don't care what know one says, he's ill)

If ya'll know anything about Hip Hop, then you would of realized that Nas has the best Flow and poetic lyrics out right now.... Who ever says that Jay-Z has A better flow is stupid, coz Jay-Z got his flow from Nas...
Also, You see that Eminem isn't even in my top five. I would have him in a tie with Canibus, but Canibus is underrated while Em is overrated, I give Bis that leeway.. Also the only thing that Em is better at than Bis, or any one for that matter, is rhyming.....

In delivery we have...

Overall Quality of Lyrics: Tupac, hands down...
you know how music does something to you, also the right words can make you tremble.. Pac had that, he just said the right things..

Pure Lyrics: Canibus.. the most creative when it comes to vocab and word usage....

Style & Rhythm: Biggie.... ya'll already knew that, no one will get yo heads bobbin like him...

Punchlines: Big L, haha, i luv him.... he was the greatest rapper of all time to me, hence the word "Rapper" and not MC.. two different things...

Message: Nas and 2Pac had the best messages that can touch the heart, they actually did something for Hip Hop..

Poetry: Pac And Nas

Intellect & Wisedom: Canibus for Intellect and Pac had the wisedom, straight game....

Wordplay & Jokes: This is Eminem Country, he runs this because he is funny and can rhyme very well.. that is the furthest I go with him though..


Now Nas should be respected, he fuckin deserves it.. the only reason that I put Biggie in front of Nas is because Biggie is dead, out of respect and relative contributions to rap.. basically Biggie did more at the time that he was alive, but If Biggie and Nas were both just some unknown rappers, i'd go with Nas.... I suggest that ya'll download some songs from "The Lost Tapes" from Nas, you might come back and thank me...................

The best mc and rapper out there is Nas, im not gonna say why. Hes just makes the best musik and i like it the most. The lost tapes is a real good cd best three songs on it is Black Zombie, Purple, and Doo Rags.
my second favorite mc is 2pac, he might be better then nas but i like nas musik more, whar can i say. third favorite is... DMX. i know hes not very popular but i still think hes great.

The best mc and rapper out there is Nas, im not gonna say why. Hes just makes the best musik and i like it the most. The lost tapes is a real good cd best three songs on it is Black Zombie, Purple, and Doo Rags.
my second favorite mc is 2pac, he might be better then nas but i like nas musik more, whar can i say. third favorite is... DMX. i know hes not very popular but i still think hes great.

Listen to "My Way" again - that track is crazy.

DMX?...hes started off real hot, with his first albums, but the last couple of ones are'nt as good. He's good but not on a certain level.Dont make a mistake about it, his first few albums were hot, but the few last werent as good to keep him on the level of the greatest.

Yo, ATESEL.. when was that picture with Nas and Jay-Z tooken?

ok i think lyrically nas is great but yall are forgettin about the visualiza...az his counterpart...az outshined nas on a couple tracks before..it can be done...but royce cannibus em and me could get with him lol

Yo, ATESEL.. when was that picture with Nas and Jay-Z tooken?

Not sure. Probably around the It Was Written / I am... era

no one can challenge him they can try but lyrically he just too high up thurr. Jay-Z only can convince u that he's the best he cant tell u the story and have it make sence like Nas did on "last real nigga alive" that is why NAS is the best.

i think it all about how you feel any one can beat any one on any day but if your talkin a bout of past battle verses koo moe dee, may be LL he a good battler to may be canibus
but not:
jay Z (he a bitch and cant win without usin other peoples rhymes)
Memphis bleek (he a bitch for startin sum and not finishin)
eminem (can you remember a good battle verse for em...no)
50 cent (wouldn't have nuthin to say)

but if you about battilin more about what you know about some one and not how good you are thats why some of the best people suck at online battlin cause that shit fake you gotta know a person past history or somethin 50 knew JA same hood BiG knew PAC they ran tagether for a minute nas knew jigga (i dont know how) easy knew DRE same group.....

pffft.... not sure who can but maybe Dj Premier but dunno!

Canibus is one but it wouldn't happen cuz they cool and they have alot of respect for each other,good thing cuz they both my favorite Mc's

the only people who are as good as Nas lyrically are Pac, Royce, Eminem and Canibus.

I'm very sorry but when you are talking about and lyrically tight rappers, Tupac does not fit the catergory. Right about now lyrically I feel Nas is in a class of his own and can't be really compared. Royce 5'9" got skills but I do not feel that he is deep enough to drown me like my boy Escobar. Eminem is presently lyrically asleep and I do not see him even reaching the ankles of Nas. Canibus is tight but his grip doesn't match the multiple capabilities of the former prince (presently KING) Nas. And that's my word point blank.

Kachi Esq

Pac wasnt even that good lyrically... Royce aint on Nas' level yet.

Cannibus could prolly rape Nas lyrically. Cause Nas aint got the flow that 'Bis has.

He was dissing Jay-Z man, not Common Sense, not Black Thought, not Canibus. You don't need deep rhymes to diss someone who's entire repertoire is full of nursery type rhymes. Plus - in order for the Jay-Z listeners to understand it, Nas could not deliver the complex shit he usually spits or their dumbasses would of been lost. Matter of fact, Nas is lucky it was Jay-Z that dissed him cause had an Eminem, a Rakim, a Kool G, a Chino XL come at him Nas' career would of DEFINITELY been over. Jay-Z was the perfect adversary - a dude with nursery type rhymes that has no street credit and that can't battle worth a shit. Easy victory for a nice comeback.

Peace

No street credibility for Jay? Thats crazy as hell..I can't think of a rapper hustlers relate more too, I can think of a thousand lines that proves Jay hustled..cause there are somethings only crooks(or law enforcement) would know... for instance..

"Lost 92 bricks had to fall back
Knocked a nigga off his feet, but I crawled back
Had A-1 credit, got more crack
From the first to the fifth, gave it all back
If, I'm not a hustler what you call that?
This is before rap, this is all fact"

"Came from the bottom of the block I
When I was born, it was sworn, I was never gon' be shit
Had to pull the opposite out this bitch
Had to get my ri-ide on
Eyes on the prize, Shawn knew I had to
Had to had to get these chips
Had to make moves like Olajuwon
Started out sellin dimes and nicks
Graduated to a brick
No exaggeration, my infatuation with the strip
Legendary like a schoolboy
Crushin merely nearly every every chick"(Side note, this is an incredible simile)


He says he is not a rapper, over and over..thats he is a hustler, and Nas defintely can't out hustle like Jay, as evidenced by the 320 million dollar net worth. What is Nas worth? Poetry is an extension of life events. How much does Nas donate to chartity? Jay is a proven philantropist. Thats why the Blueprint 2 trumps Ether. example...

"Won't break you a crumb of the little bit that he makes
And this is with whom you want to place your faith?
I put dollars on mine, ask Columbine
When the Twin Towers dropped, I was the first in line
Donating proceeds off every ticket sold
When I was out on the road, that's how you judge Hov, no?
Ain't I supposed to be absorbed myself?
Every time there's a tragedy, I'm the first one to help
They call me this misogynist, but they don't call me the dude
To take his dollars to give gifts at the projects
These dudes is all politics, depositing checks" It's about putting your money where you mouth is. That gives more meaning to his lyrics.

I'm very sorry but when you are talking about and lyrically tight rappers, Tupac does not fit the catergory. Right about now lyrically I feel Nas is in a class of his own and can't be really compared. Royce 5'9" got skills but I do not feel that he is deep enough to drown me like my boy Escobar. Eminem is presently lyrically asleep and I do not see him even reaching the ankles of Nas. Canibus is tight but his grip doesn't match the multiple capabilities of the former prince (presently KING) Nas. And that's my word point blank.

Kachi Esq

Are we talking purely mainstream here? Cuase i personally think Immortal Technique isn't that far behind Nas, lyrically. Canibus would'nt be too far off either for me.
If you were to mention vets, what about Rakim, Krs or Bdk, someone along those lines could definatley challenge Nas imo. But the only thing with mentioning that is (with all due respects to them) that they'd have to get up of they ass and go write somethin, which i can't see any of 'em doing in the forseeable future.
The thing with Jay-Z is like he himself admitted, he dumbed down, so many won't see him as genuwine competeion lyrically. I myself would dissagree with that, cuase i think Jay at his best lyrically is a match for anyone.
Tupac, i always think was overrated somewhat lyrically, yes he had deep lyrics, yes he was good, but nothing mind blowing lyrically.
I'd agree Nas is currently the best lyricist in the game, but maybe not as far ahead as people make him out to be.

Peace out, Phy-Flo.

OnE.

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i think common and mos def cud prlly fuk wit him lyrically....and royce too

How about notorious big rakim em, canibus, big l, immortal technique,

^^ yeah a dead person can challenge him,?? Eminem, Jay-Z, Eyedea(in a freestyle), IT

^^ yeah a dead person can challenge him,?? Eminem, Jay-Z, Eyedea(in a freestyle), IT

I think its already been proven that Jay-Z can not challenge Nas. That nigga murdered Jay on ether.

How about notorious big rakim em, canibus, big l, immortal technique, ya they can all chalenge him greatly. out of all i got to go with Notorious BIG he's sick with em ryhmes.

immortal technique can
his rhymes are sick and clever too
they top 2 id say

Anyone can challenge him, but alot would lose. But anywayz Jay could(and did),Jadakiss, shit alot of niggas, but he still one of the best.

you bitches need to hop off em's dick.. yea i know he did alot for ya white people but he's not that serious.. Immortal Technique is great...KRS and Nas are more alike than different, and both destroyed their opponents( KRS destroyed MC chan for those of you who dont know shit about shit)..and both are deeply intellectual.. All you have to do is listen!