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Mariah Makes Fun of Eminem

Saturday 2nd August, 2003

CHICAGO — Lest anyone had forgotten Mariah Carey had a physical and emotional collapse two years ago, the 33-year-old Long Islander was all ready to remind us that even divas have breaking points.

On Tuesday night at the United Center, two giant video screens projected photos of Carey as a wide-eyed schoolgirl, a diva prodigy and, later, a spent superstar. While Carey sang the gospel-tinged ballad "My Saving Grace" — one of five songs she performed from 2002's Charmbracelet during the night — tabloid headlines touting "Mariah's Breakdown" flashed before our eyes before eventually giving way to images of a beaming Carey. Onstage, her expression was much the same. After a career cul de sac — the breakdown and the disastrous releases of her film Glitter and the titular album — Carey had something to smile about.

With both her duet with Busta Rhymes, "I Know What You Want," and her cover of Def Leppard's "Bringin' on the Heartbreak" burning up the charts, Carey is experiencing a renaissance of sorts. Still, even Carey is feeling the effects of a soggy summer touring market. After booking a tour of 15,000-seat arenas across the U.S., Carey's reps said she would instead play smaller venues to guarantee more "intimate" performances.

In Chicago, one of the few cities that didn't demand a venue change, the only thing that made the performance intimate was the low turnout. The entire upper tier was curtained off, nearly half the loge empty and scalpers were selling $75 tickets for the first 10 rows for well under face value.

None of this seemed to bother Carey. Knifing her way through outstretched arms and flanked by bodyguards, Carey entered the stage from the back of the venue while singing the bubbly "Heartbreaker," from 1999's Rainbow. Wearing a sexy pink and silver sequined cocktail dress — her first of eight outfits of the evening — Carey's mocha- rich voice resonated above the shrieks of a predominantly female audience. The screams got louder when Carey punctuated a note with goose-pimply shrill, as she did on "Dream Lover" and "Bringin' on the Heartbreak."

For the fairly ornate stage show, Carey employs a heterogeneous ensemble to handle spine-defying dance moves, which becomes frequent fodder during Carey's myriad set-interrupting attire alterations. She herself gets into the groove with an unsuitable-for-children-under-17 writhe during "I Know What You Want."

For a while, Carey matched every costume change with a set change, as her art-deco set segued into "The Marionette Show" circus atmosphere. Both a play on her name and The Eminem Show — the performer of which was Carey's purported paramour — this was Carey's chance for payback. After Eminem dissed her on his track "Superman" ("What you tryin' to be my new wife?/ What you, Mariah?") and later in an issue of Rolling Stone ("I just don't like her as a person."), Carey recorded the Eminem-inspired "Clown" for Charmbracelet, although she has always been coy when asked if the song was about Mr. Mathers. There was no denying Slim Shady was the clown here for our amusement Tuesday night, though.

While Carey sat with legs crossed and sang, "You should've never intimated we were lovers/ When you know very well we never even touched each other," two masked men wearing pin-striped suits and standing on stilts pulled a female dancer/human puppet sporting a shaggy blonde wig and Detroit Pistons jersey (get it?) to and fro with an array of large ribbons. When the song ended, a giant screen flashed "The Marionette Show" (with the same Eminem Show-style reversed lettering) again. Carey grinned and said, "It's all in fun. We're just having a good time with the show up here."

Wisely, Carey neglected to play anything from her nadir, 2001's Glitter, throughout the hour-and-45-minute set. Instead, she loaded up on the hits ("I'll Be There," "Fantasy," "Make It Happen," "Vision of Love" and "Hero"), and ingratiated herself to the Windy City, calling Chicago "the best audience I've had to date." True, this was only the second show of her North American tour, but she did recently return from a tour of Japan. But here she's sure everyone's still speaking her language.




well shes a bitch then,dissin em!!!o well em will get revenge,lol!

smh, she's jus an attention deprived little gurl looking for media coverage.

yeh exactly,publicity stunt or wot?she cant even take the piss well!lol

hmm, well that leaves umm flauntin her chest as her talent now..

lol yep,wot she normally does

that slut needs to come suck my dick

eww, would you want her on there?

hey i need to help her out everything she says is so dumb so if she sucks my dick dat'll be the smartest thing to come out her mouth

lmfto!! :D

LOL TRILLA

TRILLA baby since she is a slutt as you say , she has numerous multimil. producers to test her mouth on she wouldn't give a fuck to prove her smartness to you.

Why isn't ok for her to diss Em as he's done?

that aint the point,she cant even diss properly and shes a slut!!!
anyway no 1 shud diss em!!!!!lol

Since this isn't the point and she couldn't even diss him properly i don't see why you open this thread????

By the way when exactly Em dissed somebody properly, by calling half- of showbiz and his life women sluts and half- of showbiz men faggots ?

ok i can predict shady's lady ansa

so?em is the best!!blah blah blah he cool blah,she blah bitch blah.blah blah blah im a lonely person.love em blah.sahe a bitch!!!!blah blah blah blah blah,non sense nonsense nonsesns

^at least she dont need to "restart her net record" on her sig. did you really get burnt that bad?

Mariah is just another artist who can't fight back against em.
just like Christina and N'sync..

fuck dissing her back, it'snot worth it..
he should concentrate on dissing Canibus, Murder Inc, and Royce back. they are people who can fight back!

lol killah,mr chaos if u fink im gonna just tlk like that ur wrong,u aint read all my posts hav u????
ritax-hes called ppl more than sluts and faggots,if u think thats all he does then once again thers another person who dont listen closely enough 2 ems lyrics.

word

Did he diss Mariah properly by just calling her simply slut ? OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH I FORGOT HE ALSO CALLED HER persistent WED-CHASER OF HIS !!!!!!!!!!!!!! Christina another dick-desiring pop-star ( but ohhhhhhhhhhhhhh too little by his standards) .AND not forgetting Debby and Kim his two unloving sluts/ whores /bitches

Moby faggot, Ricky Martin, Britney and NSYNC his cock-suckers . Trully complex and smart word-playing attack who only a female fan self-imagining being his lady, his soul-reader , like you can recognize in his lyrics .

HOW ABOUT YOU GOING TO A BUS-STOP OR AIRPORT, DRUNKING YOURSELF AND WAIT FOR THE NEXT PLANE OR BUS TO LEAD YOU TO YOUR NO1 RAPPER .I AM CERTAIN YOUR LOVE WILL BE HIGHLY APPRECIATED AND HE WILL BE WELCOMING YOU ON ANY DAY OF HIS WEEK

fuccin hell man, wat is your problem wit her?

ritax,he aint just sed things like that about every1,he has loads of truly complex lyics,so ur tlkin SHIT!!!FUCK U!

When was the last time he trully dissed somebody/anybody famous or anonymous properly, using rich lyrical voc.,and offering them the ground to defend themselves then ?

AS REDSCARE SAID BUCK UP YOUR SHIT or

get the bus that will lead you to your so-dreamed of NO1 rapper of yours.

iight you can both discuss the good an bad points of Em, but do you gotta diss each other all the time. Ritax has good pointz and shadyslady is a very big fan, so both of y'all togetha is bound to be a problem. Em aint perfect in every aspect, far from it but you both jus need to discuss it properly coz this whole thread an others like it are full of you arguin.

ok ritax-
1) he dissed hos and groupies in superman,a whole song on it,every line is tellin ppl wot some women r really like and about sum of the types of women hes experienced.
2)he has done many mixtapes wiv incredible diss tracks on them e.g nail in the coffin (benzino diss) and has killed pretty much every1 hes ever come up against.i aint many of his diss tracks but the ones ive heard "truly diss" ppl.
3)he always complains about polotics and disses them,not every1 has the guts 2 do that do they?come on cussin the president and shit.he "truly disses" politics etc


.....enough back up??
sorry killah babe but i didnt start this,if he stops cussin me then ill stop arguin...

you go girl

thanx!ima pm u mc ike...

I completely agree wit Ritax.

On the first point: he doesnt handle his beefs right. And he has NOT killed everyone hes gone up against. In fact if some of yall werent on his dick so much, youd realize that Eminems the one whos been gettin played. I feel I have to stress this again cuz of dumbasses who only listen to Jesus "Eminem" Christ: Eminems one of my favorite rappers(as in I listen to other rap artists).

The only people he disses right are people who arent even rappers - Nsync, Moby, Britney, Limp biscit.... And the only people listenin to those gay tracks (Without Me, Real Slim Shady...) are pop music fans. His only truly dope disses were towards Benzino and The Source - ones a failed producer and the others a magazine (*hint* *not rappers* *hint*). What im sayin is Eminem is a RAP ARTIST and RAP FANS dont give a shit about people who are NOT RAPPERS (Eminem groupies on this board dont count as rap fans). So finally Em comes across some real rappers to begin beefin wit - Ja Rule, Royce 5'9, and Canibus. What happens? He gets shitted on.... He makes an okay Bump Heads and a shitty 2Pac remake wit 50 towards Ja Rule while Ja Rule makes the best tracks of his career. He makes a few lousy 'Can-i-bitch' references on The Eminem Show. And than he completely ignores 5'9 while Royce completely destroys him and D12. Disappointing.

On the second point: Certain people on this board who dont know shit about hiphop. Lol.... Superman is NOT a diss track!!! Dissin politicians? Are you talkin about White America possibly??? Lol.... NOT a diss track! Than she acts like she killed Ritax of the end of the post!! Lol!!! "Enough back up??" Yo Ritax Im sure this shit had you crackin up too!!! Alright girls listen up - its okay that you dont know alot about this kind of music. You all obviously new to it. Im not sayin dont give your opinions. Im sayin be real and listen and learn from other people instead of arguein like you know what youre talkin about. And were cool...

well i think mariah carey is a bitch aye! i mean wot is her problem.....she is just jealous that emz career is going well and is tryinf to seek publicity by metioning his name! the dumb bitch should get a life!!!!!!

redscare--- i neva sed they were diss tracks i just sed he dissed ppl on them.em aint gettin shitted on man!!!he neva does.i fink mayb he cant b bothered 2 reply cos he nos he'll win or mayb hes tryin 2 calm it down coz he dont wanna get shot and leave his daughter wiv no dad.i am a rap fan and i no alot about rap music so ur wrong u faggot!i no wot im tlkin about and i will give my fuckin opinion.o yea and has ritax actually replid 2 my message yet??? ummm NO!!!so shut the fuck up

That shows you how much you know - you sayin that if Em drops a diss track, hes gonna get shot! Lol! Than your unrealistic soap opera-like view of the rap industry is further revealed wit "He cant make diss tracks, becuz he doesnt want to leave Hailie behind :eek: !!!" I admit though you perfectly illustrated one of me and Ritax's points (I think) - hes gonna win, so why bother? (<<"he cant b bothered 2 reply cos he nos he'll wit"). Exactly. Why does he got to diss these dumbass pop acts and non-rappers? Especially when hes got real credible emcees shittin on him - those are the people he should bother dissin.

Let me break down how Ems gottin shitted on since you aint up to date.... And I aint happy wit Em gettin shitted on cuz I know hes capable of so much more - Im just statin the facts.

First Ja Rule. Heres a rapper wit average talent who couldnt make it in the business just bein himself. He imitates DMX and 2Pac and starts makin gay r&B/pop music - hes wack like that, but that doesnt mean he cant rap. So who started it? Eminem.... In 'Go To Sleep'(Benzino/Source diss) he makes threats towards Benzino and the Source and than at the end of his verse he says "Ja you'll get it too". So Ja shocks everyone and kills it wit a suprisingly dope 'Loose Change'. Ems response? 'Hail Mary 2003' which is a wack remake of 2Pac's Hail Mary - another shock to everyone cuz Eminem comes off really wack on this track. Than Ja drops 'Ja Shot Ya' where lightning strikes twice cuz Jas really dope once again. And Em responds wit an average 'Bump Heads'. It was good lyrically, and content-wise I didnt like how Em was backin down ("Me and Hailie dance to your songs, we like you"). Between all of the diss tracks, Ja Rules were better(which sucks but its the truth). So basically Em got shitted on, not just in my opinion but in the opinion of many hiphop journalist.

Than Canibus blantantly disses him a few times and alls Em does is make a few mentions of it on The Eminem Show. He "doesnt bother to" make a track towards Canibus cuz he "knows he'll win". But he bothers to diss a PRODUCER on the same album who doesnt even write his rhymes, Jermaine Dupri (Eminem obviously knew that he would win). Okay maybe he didnt get completely get shitted on here cuz this beef didnt really blow up. As far as disses he did lose.

Than Royce 5'9. This was built up from tensions between Royce and D12 - tensions that could of been squashed by Em (and were squashed in the past). The result: Royce is exhiled from doin business wit Shady Records. Than since there was a possibility that there wouldnt be another D12 album - in a political move for attention D12 disses Royce months later. Royce responds wit a really dope diss track, Malcolm X where he not only blatantly disses all of D12 but also clearly calls out Eminem. He call him a chump. In reference to how quick Royce is killin D12 and Em "...quicker than Eminem can pinch Eltons ass...", and he seals it wit a "...dont call me I dont want to squash it yet..." BLATANT DISSES not to mention theres more on that track, 'What We Do' and 'We Ridin'. Any response from Em? No... Sadly shitted on again.

redscare ppl in da rap industry have been shot 4 sayin shit b4,look at biggie and tupac.Also y does 50 always wear bullet proof vests???hmm?cos he gets shot at and has been shot b4 so i dont think im bein unrealistic about em gettin shot.Hes got some serious threats from ppl and hes got loads of security (6 EX CIA MEMBERS!)and is wearin a bullet proof vest.do u really think eminem wud do that if he didnt have 2?its ovbious he loves hailie so he doesnt wanna leave her without a dad does he???

secondly who givs a fuck if he dissed ppl who aint in rap,he can diss any1 he damn well wants,hes just sayin the shit that alot of ppl think e.g nsync suck and every1 is sick of these manufactured pop groups etc. No 1 really dissed ppl outside of rap b4 em,things that hes said are original.

ja is a shit rapper and always will be,i wouldnt say em gets shitted on cos he doesnt.wen he does diss tracks he kills whoeva hes up against. maybe at the moment hes 2 busy 2 bother wastin his time on rappers who probably are only dissin him cos there jealous or are lookin 4 publicity.mayb he doesnt wanna giv them the satisfaction of replyin.i dunno or as i said it could b cos he dont wanna get shot ova sum stupid beef.
in bump heads i dont thinks em is really backin down i think he is just statin the point that he had no problem wiv ja b4 and if ja had said sumin wen they met (unlike the coward he is) then they cud of sorted it out and it wudnt have got into this.hes basically sayin b4 u started on me i liked.once again he cud b tryin 2 calm it down cos he dont wanna get any1 shot but hes still dissin him but not as bad as he could,i think bump heads is dope...

Ya your right about Em not backin down in Bump Heads - I really didnt look at it like that but the way I saw it he was cuttin Ja Rule some slack on a few lines. But what you said sounds right to me though cuz he talks about how he could of settled it face to face. I know Ja Rule is one of the wackest and fakest artist in the business - what I was sayin is that his diss tracks were suprisingly better than Em's which I believe to be fact. And Hail Mary 2003 was suprisingly wack (at least Ems and 50s verses cuz Busta held his own on his verse). So basically at the end of the whole thing Eminem lost and Ja Rule won - what Im sayin is he bothers to go after shitty pop artist and non-rappers when he could be fightin back at these real emcees comin at him (Ja Rule may have turned pop and wack, but if he wants to rap, hes shown he can). Because honestly I dont give 2 shits about Nsync and Moby and Limp biscit and JD but I do care about one of my favorite rappers losin alot of street credibility by gettin shitted on. On the subject of other rappers shootings - youre confusing two issues. 2Pac and Biggies shootings had nothing to do with their music unlike what alot of media journalists with polical agendas against hiphop would like you to believe. 2Pac was killed because he was involved in organized crime. And Biggie (who never even dropped a diss track towards 2Pac) was shot for unknown reasons (although it has been linked by a retired LAPD homicide detective to the organized crime affiliations of Deathrow records and 2Pac - so it is related to OTHER PEOPLE IN THE INDUSTRY but NOT THE MUSIC). That has nothing to do with the music. 50 Cent was also involved in organized crime (drug traffiking, illegal gun distribution) before he got into the rap game and RAP MUSIC HAS NOTHING TO DO with his shooting in 1999 or wearing a bullet proof vest in public. Eminems motives for protection probably have something to do with human society's irrational obbsession with celebrities. John Lennon of the Beatles was shot because of an obbsessive fan - did he ever drop any diss records??? And you can trust me on this: 99.9999% of beefs in hiphop take place only on records. Lol... I dont even know why Im explaining this!! Anyone who listens to hiphop knows all this... Eminem's reasons for not makin diss tracks is NOT cuz hes afraid of getting shot!!!

thanku 4 agreein on some levels but i dont fink em has been shitted on.i gave u ova reasons he aint replied didnt i...i fink he dont wanna giv ppl like cannibus and royce the satisfaction of REALLY gettin noticed and givin them publicity.
i dont think eminem eva sounds wack,hes 2 good 2;i understand wot ur sayin bout ppl NOT gettin shot but u gotta admit alot of ppl out ther hav guns and shit.seriously i think ur wrong cos if ther isnt a risk of em and 50 gettin shot y wud they wear bullet proof vests all the time?? and y wud em hav 6 ex CIA members workin 4 him and checkin EVERYWHERE he goes??i really dont think em wud do all this shit if he thought he werent gonna get shot at.

o yea....
i no 50 is under threat cos of stuff that happened b4 but em has only just got serious threats and its cos of this beef...

Again your confusing two things - real life and entertainment. JayZ and Nas got in a beef a while ago. Each rapper wanted to prove to the world that they were better or that they were "right" - thats the purpose of a diss track. Not to hurt each other. Now any rational person knows Eminem droppin a diss track WILL NOT LEAD TO HIS DEATH!!! Eminem is protecting himself because of the insane world we live in and not because of his beef. And I dont know what rappers youre talkin about when you keep sayin Em kills everyone he comes across - how bout some names? (Benzino, JD, and Nsync arent rappers). As far as the Canibus beef - first, Canibus drops a few disses on Eminem. If Em really thought that he shouldnt give attention to Canibus than whyd he mention his name in several songs throughout the best selling album of 2002, The Eminem Show? Im just sayin he shouldnt of dissed Canibus half-assed when he devotes an entire track to Jermaine Dupri. About Hail Mary 2003 - you said "Eminem cant be wack because he's too good". If you knew anything about hiphop music, you would know that even the dopest rappers can be wack at times. This is true with Eminem and Hail Mary 2003 in which Eminem delivers a really wack verse - probably cuz he copied off of Pacs flow from the original Hail Mary and its not Pacs best lyrical material. He should of just did his own thing since its a diss track and not a remake - thats what Busta did and he killed it. On the Royce issue - Royce didnt diss D12 for attention. It was D12 who dissed Royce for attention months after Royce left the Shady camp. Heres the entire story so I dont have to explain it. Straight from Royce and I can assure you its all true (cuz followed the whole thing): http://www.hiphopdx.com/index/print/t.feature_article/id.210
Now you know whats really fucked up about all that ^^? On Mtv, Nelly (a popstar who cant rap) dissed Eminem!! Ya thats right! When one of the VJs asked Nelly what he thought of Eminem he says "He eats M&Ms" and "Eminem is candy" and "He eats candy". So what does Eminem do when all this happens? He calls Nelly and squashes it!! A complete stranger! Dont you think its possible for him to call up his FRIEND Royce and squash somethin with him? So if Eminems so real, why doesnt he either A) Squash the beef wit Royce OR B)Tell the world why he doesnt talk to Royce no more (to show everyone why he thinks hes "right" via DISS TRACK!) Cuz lookin at the Royce -D12/Eminem beef, its Eminem thats in the wrong. Like I said, he doesnt handle his beef right.
(Damn, my shits long!!^^ What can I say? I type fast...)

well royce mentioned ppl gettin shot and shit ova beef didnt he?i aint sayin its definetly gonna happen,im juts sayin theres a chance it could end up in sum1 gettin shot.yeah hes protecting himself from the insane world that is now hyped up ova this beef...there is a connection,hes only just started doin all this shit (bullet proof vest etc),he didnt have all this b4 the beef did he??
thats wot im sayin,he aint gonna REALLY diss cannibus cos then he'll get lots of media,but he aint just gonna take wot hes said ALL TOGETHER!SO he just meantioned him a few times,people still hear him dissin cannibus but not 2 the point where it blows up!that track wasnt totally dedicated 2 jermaine and that was more dres beef anyway.
i understand that rappers can sound wack sumtimes but i just dont think em is capable of soundin wack,lol.i aint ever heard anyfin where he sounds wack....
mayb on hail mary em wanted 2 giv pac some respect by rappin like him in the song,after all he is 1 of his biggest influences.
i read wot royce said and thats ONLY HIS account of the beef BUT he doesnt sound unreasonable in that article.
i heard about wot nelly said and apparently em heard wot he sed and let out a diss track called "detroit grammer",after that nelly rang him up and apologised to em.the beef ended there,em DIDNT call nelly NELLY called him!!
im not in ems head so i dont no wot hes thinkin but i think maybe as royce was his FRIEND he didnt think he wud diss him(well he thought he dissed him...),if u think back 2 wot em has been through in life....b4 he was famous he so called "friends" prob betrayed him so he doesnt always totally trust people.hes sed himself that now he doesnt let many people in his life and he doesnt trust many people in life.like in the song "if i had" he basically says wot im tryin 2 explain.
(my shits long 2 man!woh!)

soz i meant:
HIS so called "friends"

i didnt explain that very well,wot im tryin 2 say is that he didnt think royce wud turn on him,he was his friend who he trusted,after that he prob felt he cudnt 4give him...any1 whos had an "easy" life wud prob just squash the beef and wuf 4give him and trust him again BUT em hasnt so it makes it harder 4 him....do u no wot im sayin?
i cud b totally rong but that cud b wot is happenin though,lol,thats just my guess.....

cantstand this girl...^ if u give u gotta be prepard to get.. Yes even Eminem has to recieve once in a while...

^^^h8 this guy....
wot do u mean royce?make urself clear...

U made this thread because mariah was dissen Em...Well he dissed her so she dissed back...If your gona say shit about sum1 than yo gota be prepared to have shit said about you...this goes for You, Me any1...

he is prepared,he dont give a fuck if ppl diss him,i just read this sumwhere so i posted it...

Aight its all cool...yeah i know he dont give a fuck...lol

peace

ok...its all good yeh?

Yeah...like i said! man ur a freeposter..lol

On the Royce/D12 beef, Royce mentioned shit goin to the streets cuz D12 was threatin that. And he was warnin them to keep it on wax. He wasnt just warnin D12 to keep it on wax but for Em to make sure D12 didnt take it to the streets. Cuz if its just goin back and forth on records, than theres no problem right? Its not like an Eminem-Ja Rule beef where Ems recordin disses in LA and Ja Rules recordin his in New York. Royce, Proof, D12, and all their crew are all on the same streets in the same hood. And this beef did end up spillin out into the streets (cuz of D12 and not cuz of Royce) when D12 [or some of D12s peoples] jumped a dude in Royce's crew when the man didnt even know there was beef! Luckily this beef ended wit a whimper instead of a bang - Royce and Proof saw each other durin the 4th of July weekend and started havin it out. The police broke it up and put them in a cell wit each other and it got squashed to the point where Royce and Proof want to collaborate on a track - still animosity between Royce, Em, and the rest of D12 but its all nothin right now. Again, this a perfect example of how Em doesnt handle his beefs right.

u dont no that em was 1 of the ppl who jumped royces m8,even if an article says so u dont reall no wots true do u?
proof was kinda forced 2 sort it out wiv royce wasnt he?he was in a cell with him,they had time 2 proparly tlk....they had 2.eminem and the rest of d12 didnt get that chance,mayb if em was in the cell 2 he wudda sorted it out...we just dont no do we...

i will come for you shadylady tom. but as far as it concerns eminem's handling of beefs he just attacks people when he is certain that he will win as pop stars and when things get hard for him or unexpectable then he does the first move which gets the media publicity and that shows him as a smart cut-troat rapper and then he never rereplys as to prove that he can really fight with strong-mouthed persons.................


He did the same with Canibus and Royce he attacked he offended in the realm of pop commercial sector he got the feedback that he was brave and then he never answered again , so he cut both the way of Canibus to pop upcoming and he restore himself among ignorant pop listeners ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh he could also be scared of being killed and not having his daugher around him anymore!!!!!!!!!!!!!

^Ya exactly Ritax, he goes after pop acts who cant even defend themselves. But when he gets called out by real emcees, he doesnt do shit!

Originally posted by shadyslady
u dont no that em was 1 of the ppl who jumped royces m8,even if an article says so u dont reall no wots true do u?
proof was kinda forced 2 sort it out wiv royce wasnt he?he was in a cell with him,they had time 2 proparly tlk....they had 2.eminem and the rest of d12 didnt get that chance,mayb if em was in the cell 2 he wudda sorted it out...we just dont no do we...

Em wasnt one of the people who jumped one of Royce's mans. You got to understand that Em isnt really in D12 right now. Ems doin his own thing right now (wit 50 Cent, Obie Trice, Shady Records, and other things) while D12s doin their own thing (Proof - Search For Jerry Garcia, Swift - Raw Collection, etc.). So when I say "D12" Im sayin "D12 excludin Em".
As far as Eminems involvement, in any of this - thats the thing. Eminem never was involved in this when he should of been. Hes the mothafuckin boss of Shady Records! Its not like this shit isnt his concern and its not like this is out of his control! If it wasnt for Em, NONE of this would of went down. With Ems involvement, at worst it would of been a hiphop beef instead of a street beef (which is what it turned out to be since Em didnt bother to do shit). If anything serious went down, it would of been Em's fault cuz he had the power to prevent it. Luckily it didnt end that way but it damn well could of. Now hiphop beef-wise, there was a time before this got taken to the streets (up to and past Malcolm X when it was just hiphop) Em could of done two things - 1) tell D12 to keep it on wax(since hes their boss) and proclaim on track or press release that Shady Records is keepin this beef hiphop. And 2) he had the chance to defend his credibility since Royce was shittin on him on diss tracks! EMINEM DOES NOT HANDLE HIS BEEFS RIGHT!

ritax-r u sayin that i listen 2 pop and im ignorant?and r u takin the piss out of what i sed bout the threats against him and his daughter?u betta not be...
redscare-yeh i do no hes doin his own thing thats y i sed it prob wasnt em who took it 2 the streets,em isnt gonna boss his friends,he prob didnt even no that they took it 2 the streets until after,u just dont no wot happend....

^Youre completely wrong. Em knew it could be taken to the streets, and Em had the power to stop it. First off, D12 was passin out theyre mixtape at 50 Cents Get Rich Or Die Tryin release party (<again Im referin to D12 excludin Em cuz Em wasnt even featured on the mixtape). The first track on that mixtape is a diss to Royce - a diss where D12 THREATENS ROYCE ON A STREET LEVEL. 1) Do you think Em wasnt at that party? Hell yeah he was!!! 2) Do you think Em wouldnt listen to D12's mixtape? They arent only artist on his label (which would be reason enough), but hes also IN THEIR GROUP!! <<REASON ONE: EM KNEW IT COULD BE TAKEN TO THE STREETS.

Second Royce released a few diss tracks and a press release in response. One of the diss tracks was Malcolm X where ROYCE THREATENS D12 ON A STREET LEVEL. Also the press release WARNS EM TO MAKE SURE D12 DOESNT TAKE IT TO THE STREETS - because in the worst case scenario people would start dieing and it would be Ems fault for not stopping it. Trust me - Em heard both of these. Proof in an interview responded to Royce in regards to both the press release and the diss tracks. Proof is Em's hype man - so Em definately caught wind of all of this. Not to mention that Proof even said 50 Cent listened to the Malcolm X diss. <<REASON 2: EM KNEW IT COULD OF BE TAKEN TO THE STREETS.

Its not even worth arguenin your other point about Ems ability to stop all of this - "Em doesnt want to boss around his friends :eek: !!!". Youd know thats complete bullshit if youve ever been in a business situation. Hes THE BOSS of his businesses. Its called SHADY Records not SHADY-AND-D12 Records.

from the few things i know contrary to his e-psychologist self-appointed lady of his isn't Em who warned Dupri of a street attack? Isn't it ironic that his full of bravery when his Black knight- producer is around and when he gets to face alone the beefs he started he is transformed to a runafter bitch+ who begges for understanding for his daughter' need of her daddy ?

As for you shadylady/electronic psychologist of Em who is able to expain all the attitudes of Em, business/non-business and who can psyches out from Em's beef preparedness to what kind of father he is.If you want to know something for Em on what Em's feels email shadylady his e-heart-feeler.


GROUPIE I ASKED YOU TO BUCK UP YOUR IDEAS AND THE ONLY THING YOU COULD COME UP WAS SOME FUCKING PSYCHO-MUSICAL EXPLANATIONS AS THE ONLY PROOF OF YOUR RAP-GOD'S GENIOUS FOR DISSING WHO ?

Groupies ,who people exactly dissed there and with what way again ? Calling whores the not-self invated of course anonymous l teen-girls . And accrediting himself for what ?getting fucked because of his stardom at a time that even Manson the man/woman freak has groupies .As for the politicians disses it must have been needed a lot of gutsiness to write the lyric ' fuck you m.Cheney', is undoubtly fearless and ultra-difficult word attack!!!!!!!!

To summarize when Eminem faces rappers like Royce when he can made up a woman-exploitation who is send-away story , ( obviously Royce is too tall and it would take him centuries to discover Em' asshole) or simply call him faggot (because Em would need a ladder to reach Royce ass) then he goodbyes the rap- ring



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As for the rest of the disses again a repetition of his diss-tactics,....... a diss-track against a magazine with which he didn't have any problem when it multi-portaited him as a symbol of white-working class youngsters but

suddenly fell off for him

when it started not being so in favour of his whiteness!!!!!!!!!!

Both of course -i believe- never gave a SHIT about the racial dimensions of rap music they both antagonized each other for a share from the rap-profit pie. Benzino actually hoped that by attacking Eminem he would manage to establish himself as the white-rapper with the 'positive' influence on hip hop' .

And Benzino was so easy-target given that he wasn't able to lead a really-good attack on why Em suddenly became such a big-threat to rap..A stupidly-conveived business plan from a not-so-good-rapper against the no1 white-fighter He had lost before even starting!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

i Just heard nail in the coffin Red. nothing special , no true dissing just turning against Benzino the Boston kid-wanna be rapper stereotype. Dissapointing

stop dissin my mum :D

redscare-
ok so em didnt stop it but D12 r his m8s he can only advise them on things,hes cant MAKE them do anythin!!i no hes the boss but he is PART of D12 so its different...ok he cudda stopped it but he didnt...he mite hav had a good reason that u dont no about...i dunno...ok so he sudda stopped it but he didnt...

ritax- u cant just base an argument on FACTS,sumtimes its more than that so y u takin the piss,i aint tryin 2 b a pshycoligst,im just tryin 2 state a point. i aint a groupie!!!!!he dun more than just say things like "fuck u ms,cheny!",ur anova 2 of those stupid fucks who DOESNT ACTUALLY LISTEN 2 eminems LYRICS arent u??!i neva sed that was an "ultra difficult word attack!" but alot of hisrhymes r amazin!no 1 can argue that his lyrics arent good. eminem is a much betta mc than royce will eva be,if u cant see that then u must b fuckin braindead!!!!!!!
wot do u mean eminem is a "white fighter"???!!!!u make it ound like hes sum protester 4 white ppl who only givs a fuck 4 white ppl...
also the magazine suddenly turned on him,wot do u expext em 2 do?benzino AINT a white rapper!hes mixed race,so ur tlkin shit.

Redscare i will semi-agree with you on the defenselessness of pop stars cause the issue is that there aren't many ways for them to disprove Em's diss on being faggots or whores or (niggers) these are characterizations that aren't easily counter-faced even in our common lives much more when stars have to deal with the flesh-eating media intrution into their lives.

But you are absolutely right about Em being a rap artist who should heve been more concerned with being shitted on by rap artists than with the likes of Britneys. My opinion is that he is super-smart when it comes to marketing

and his manager (Rosenburg) is a FUCKING SMART CONTROLLER OF THE PUBLICITY-GAME!!!!!!!!! PERIOD
and i really doubt contrary to you that Eminem was ever interested in being respected as a lyricist among real dope rappers cause his moves show a person more concerned with -polishing his pop personna thats why he raced into finishing Nelly's comment -attack at him being 'candy' , comments that they could be proven catastrofic for his pop audience.....

eminem isnt dissin popstars 4 publicity!everybody thinks that pop music is utter SHIT,and hes the 1 thats sayin it.If eminem doesnt like sum1 he will say he doesnt,and guess wot he dont like pop stars.
Eminem does wanna b respects in the rap game!who doesnt??!Alot of dope rappers do respect him,any rapper who doesnt must be seriously fucked up...
4 fuck sake,eminem DISSES pop music and the people in that industry all the time,if he wanted 2 "polish his pop persona" then y would he diss that industry and every1 in it??He replied 2 nelly coz he dissed him on mtv,coz he was angry at him,NOT 2 "build his pop persona"!

He didnt really respond to Nelly - that Detroit Grammer diss was leaked, it wasnt released by him actually. Like I said he squashed everything wit Nelly (some guy he doesnt know), but he couldnt put a phone call to Royce who was supposively his friend. As for Em not being able to control D12 - HE CAN!!!! Ive explain this over and over. He can drop D12 as quick as he dropped Royce if he wanted to. Anyone living in the real world observing this situation would know that D12 are the EMPLOYEES and Eminem is the EMPLOYER. As for Em dissin pop stars - I dont know if he does it on purpose to get recognition, but he does get alot of recognition for doing it. More recognition for it than his lyrical abilities. Honestly I like him dissin a few pop stars here and there - because I hate how fake they are too. Im sayin that if I was in his shoes, my first priority would be dissin (or squashin beefs wit) real credible emcees and my second priority would be dissin (and NOT squashin beefs wit) pop stars, wack hiphop artists, magazines, homosexuals, and producers. Back to the Nelly thing real quick - Id rather of seen him destroy Nelly like he does to all the other pop stars cuz I hate that corny crooked toothed bastard!!! Lol.... In fact, a smile came across my face when I heard Nelly start dissin Em - cuz I KNEW Em would say somethin about him! Disappointing...

yeh ok i no wot ur sayin about da beef wiv royce but he cud of had reasons.
yeh pop stars r shit and fake,at least sum1s dissin them.
yeh he just killed nelly,nelly just raps bout girls,sex and shoes!he hasnt got a brain!

mad Red , you were dreaming of RW at 5.:33 AM ? seeing nightmares with the fake powers of pop-stars invading the Music WORLD and Eminem as Skywalker ?

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At the beggining i was surprised : ' Redscare replying only with one paragraph after all me and shadylady have been writting all these days?' and then i saw the time you responded ......madman

Lol... Im in the States so it was round 11:00 or 12:00 for me (this site gots UK time). And I type and think fast so I can get somethin long written in like 10 minutes.

Anyways shadyslady - Eminem did NOT destroy Nelly. Em squashed it before it turned into anything. I was sayin thats ashame 1) cuz I would of enjoyed Em destroyin him and 2) he should of done that to Royce and NOT Nelly. The only reason theres a Nelly diss circulatin on the net is cuz it was leaked and not ever meant to be released.

well i heard that em heard wot nelly sed and then he did a diss track called "detroit grammer" and then nelly rang up and apoligised cos he knew he wud just get killed if he attempted 2 diss him back.
maybe that aint tru tho,mayb ur rite,i dunno!

Wish it was that way but Im almost absolutely sure Eminem called Nelly. Cant remember where I heard it cuz this is old(news sites probably).

yeh i heard about it ages ago 2,oh well,we prob wont find out which story is rite....

No, no, no... IM RIGHT! I was just sayin it was a while ago so I cant confirm it wit a source. Probably could of I wanted to but I aint about to do a fuckin research project on this shit that I KNOW I heard two years ago. Trust me. Dont you think you would of heard somewhere EMINEM VS NELLY if that track was actually released by Em to mixtape DJs himself? Dont catch no feelins I just dont quit til you say Im right or you say your wrong...:D

i aint goin that far...lol..im just sayin thats wot i heard,i aint even heard "detroit grammer" so i dont no if wot i heard is rite..ok MAYBE ur rite

Ummm... No not maybe! :D

shadyslady u said that royce will can never hope to be as good an emcee an eminem. HE ALREADY IS!!! have u ever heard some of the bad meets evil tracks they did? royce not only holds his own on all the tracks, he outshines em on a lot of them

How would she know that? Shes ignorant. She never even heard of Royce 5'9 before I said somethin. Probably still never heard a Royce 5'9 track. She was just talkin some bullshit to try to make me believe she knew what she was talkin about. Just the truth. My philosophy: "DONT HATE ON THE FAKE!! EDUCATE!!" :D

ha

When was the last time he trully dissed somebody/anybody famous or anonymous properly, using rich lyrical voc.,and offering them the ground to defend themselves then ?

AS REDSCARE SAID BUCK UP YOUR SHIT or

get the bus that will lead you to your so-dreamed of NO1 rapper of yours.





kiss
my black ass
and suck my brown dick
swallow my half brown mucus
eat my half constipated half diarreha shit
drink my half red half yellow urine
smell my motherfucking german and ammonia gas you faggott!!
em;s the best...you have never heard "sing for the moment" be fore judging from the white shit that you said..(not a racist comment but shit is normal as black...youre shit is white you dumb modafucker =p)















fuck outta here nigga...mariah carey would touch em or diss him anytime..hes too sexy for her!!!!!!!! :p :p :p

As for the rest of the disses again a repetition of his diss-tactics,....... a diss-track against a magazine with which he didn't have any problem when it multi-portaited him as a symbol of white-working class youngsters but

suddenly fell off for him

when it started not being so in favour of his whiteness!!!!!!!!!!

Both of course -i believe- never gave a SHIT about the racial dimensions of rap music they both antagonized each other for a share from the rap-profit pie. Benzino actually hoped that by attacking Eminem he would manage to establish himself as the white-rapper with the 'positive' influence on hip hop' .

And Benzino was so easy-target given that he wasn't able to lead a really-good attack on why Em suddenly became such a big-threat to rap..A stupidly-conveived business plan from a not-so-good-rapper against the no1 white-fighter He had lost before even starting!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!






wait this 1 is serious...benzino..is he really white?he called d12 "house niggaz".......omg hes a racist bitch... :mad: :mad: :mad: wait till i tell EVERYONE...

Why did you up this you fucking arse...? :mad: